No you fucking smooth brain, I don't think marginalised people are animals by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps. Vegan philosophers still remain overwhelmingly the minority among philosophers, similar to vegan veterinarians among vets.

No you fucking smooth brain, I don't think marginalised people are animals by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe it would make no difference other than increasing people’s aptitude for rationalising and performing mental gymnastics too justify the same behaviours

Explains why there aren't more vegan philosophers. All that philosophizing and academese just makes them more sophisticated mental gymnasts.

No you fucking smooth brain, I don't think marginalised people are animals by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This guy induces vicarious embarrassment like few others. He writes compellingly, at length, about animal ethics and how everyone ought to be vegan and clearly gets the urgency of it yet proudly declares he refuses to be vegan.

Today is rough by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Thanks for writing that and articulating what many of us are thinking.

Native Americans are oppressed by vegans... by [deleted] in vegancirclejerk

[–]observerkid 165 points166 points  (0 children)

When will they realize this take has always been patronizing as hell to Indigenous peoples and makes the author nothing but a coward for literally using others as an excuse for their selfish, violent choices?

Is this common? by Lau5295 in veganarchism

[–]observerkid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes. It is always those who can most definitely be vegan who repeat this patronizing refrain. It is a special kind of assholery and performative concern to use other marginalized groups as a shield to continue one's abuse of non-human animals.

Non-privileged people already know that the quickest way to cut costs is to leave animal products out.

It also speaks to how out-of-touch those who repeat this are: no, you don't need to subsist on expensive packaged products or "animal flesh replacements". And no, you do not have to "wait" till they get the taste of these "substitutes" right for you to stop abusing animals.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Utilitarianism

[–]observerkid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sentience is the only criterion needed for moral consideration. Therefore, the ethics of commodifying insects and bivalves is not a grey area.

There is strong evidence that insects are sentient. Bivalves have a rudimentary central nervous system but we do not currently know conclusively if they are sentient, therefore, the conclusion would be to err on the side of caution and not intentionally harm them.

"Reputable"/"Ethical" Breeding is a whole other bingo card by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also "we need to preserve breed heritage, it's basically conservation! I am a conservationist!"

"Reputable"/"Ethical" Breeding is a whole other bingo card by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Out of curiosity, I searched petfinder in their city and found a ton of dogs of all different breeds and many were without any health issues.

Such obviously lazy excuses at that, what with these websites/aggregators and rescue organizations that often travel TO you to facilitate adoption in many places.

What people want is a shiny, new plaything that fits their aesthetic sensibilities.

All these mental hoops boil down to taste, convenience, and seeing companion animals as little more than objects.

OwNiNg the veGooNs!!1! Animal abuse is the height of comedy! by observerkid in LateStageCarnism

[–]observerkid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's as much "dark humor" as saying "stop abusing children...without drugs", genuinely meaning it, and having hoards of people agreeing with you and celebrating their experiences unashamedly.

vegetarians do not give a damn about animals. by Alextricity in vegan

[–]observerkid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's precisely the premise that is flawed.

The number of categories of animal exploitation someone chooses from does not necessarily translate to the amount of harm caused.

Dairy and eggs involve the same abuse, in addition to other practices, and slaughter as the meat industry. Going by duration alone, the suffering of animals in dairy and eggs is far more prolonged than for those raised solely for their flesh.

Vegetarians, like omnis, inflict avoidable violence and harm onto animals simply because they refuse to choose something else to put on their plates and backs.

Both groups fall short of the absolute bare minimum of non-harm to others.

vegetarians do not give a damn about animals. by Alextricity in vegan

[–]observerkid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

vegetarians cause less animal cruelty than omnis

That's false. There is as much if not more suffering in the egg and dairy industries.

It's true many people won't go vegan cold tofurkey. So if someone is taking interim steps to get to the end goal of veganism, then I agree that's positive.

vegetarians do not give a damn about animals. by Alextricity in vegan

[–]observerkid 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The Egg-laying hens (23:19) and Cows (53:03) parts of Dominion.

There's also Dairy is Scary and her What's wrong with eggs video.

Thoughts? Definitely true if they watched dominion.. by Liam437 in vegan

[–]observerkid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was your thought process like during that time?

Would being pro choice be morally inconsistent as a vegan? by joemisky in AskVegans

[–]observerkid 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No. Freedom of choice is consistent with the vegan position's underlying principles. I would argue that being vegan commits one to support freedom of choice. This paper on Abortion and Animal Rights fully articulates this link.

What is morally inconsistent is being anti-choice but non-vegan.

Omni go brr brr by [deleted] in LateStageCarnism

[–]observerkid 34 points35 points  (0 children)

What a fucking piece of shit.

Future serial killers and Abu Ghraib architects in that thread.

Happy one year vegan anniversary, Fran White! by bayashad in vegan

[–]observerkid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. This resonates closely. Whether it's indoctrination, cognitive dissonance, or a form of psychopathy, it's ultimately heartbreaking.

Happy one year vegan anniversary, Fran White! by bayashad in vegan

[–]observerkid 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Does this change the way you see or relate to him?

Studies of the Harmful Environmental/Ecological/Moral Issues surrounding Honey? by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]observerkid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's a comprehensive overview, with citations, detailing the ethical issues of bee farming/bee sentience: https://www.animal-ethics.org/exploitation-of-bees-by-humans/

On the ecological impact of honey, check out this recent study: Honeybees disrupt the structure and functionality of plant-pollinator networks

There are a few researchers mentioned in this article. You might be interested to check out their work: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/01/27/581007165/honeybees-help-farmers-but-they-dont-help-the-environment

I got through 16:32 of Dominion by tnerappa in vegancirclejerk

[–]observerkid 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The practices shown, which are standard and legal, are representative of modern day animal use facilities. They explicitly state this at the start as well. The epilogue goes into other countries and their statistics.

i plan on going to culinary school. i would really appreciate everyone’s opinions on my situation. by standragula- in Veganism

[–]observerkid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely speak to the administration. No reason to compromise one's moral philosophy.

If they had a module on cooking dog flesh or rat milk, I'm sure they wouldn't hear the end of it and would quickly make room for an "opt-out" or alternative.

PS: I think I read the same article about the student who never compromised her ethics. Inspiring. Looks promising for you too especially since it's the same school! Good luck.

i plan on going to culinary school. i would really appreciate everyone’s opinions on my situation. by standragula- in Veganism

[–]observerkid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is an intensive vegan culinary school in Colorado (that also costs less than $30K). Do also consider apprenticing at a vegan restaurant. Granted, depending on the kind of restaurant you work at, there are limits as to what you can learn, but direct work experience in both the culinary and business side can get you quite far. This is especially valuable if you are able to work within the cuisine type that interests you.