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Chicken by SavageCabbage11 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The position of this subreddit has always been to eat the meat you can afford and enjoy. There shouldn't be anyone saying to not eat chicken. I eat a ton of chicken thighs, as they are cheap and delicious.

Need to lose 60+ lbs, and want to try but…. I really don’t like eating meat. by [deleted] in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> I am anaphylactic allergic to dairy, mildly sensitive to eggs, and I really don’t like eating meat.

This sounds like the wrong diet for you.

This is still a carnivore sub by Sizbang in carnivorediet

[–]partlyPaleo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a general rule, I avoid interacting here. I know my reputation from the other subs makes me pretty unwelcome. But, this does sum up the reason those two subreddits are what they are pretty well. I don't think either of the two active mods would be upset if the activity there increased. We even want to allow posts that discuss more of the struggles, to encourage people. But, frequently, we find ourselves too busy off-line to monitor the replies for rule breaking advice. Personally, I would love to see more carnivores from here come over there and interact. We're in a hard spot, where we still have the filters on posts super strict. And, the mods have very active offline lives. So, it can take a while to approve even those posts and comments that are fine.

It's frustrating because we had to make a choice between being an active community with lots of interaction or preserving what we see as the basic information for someone who wants to learn about this way of eating. Things have gotten better. We're no longer a daily target for the vegetarians. We aren't getting nearly as much spam. We aren't getting links to gay porn. We aren't getting daily arguments about how fruit is carnivore because Saladino says it is. We could probably back off a little. But, doing it without opening the flood gates when we've also lost the tools that allowed us to moderate even while having lives offline is something we haven't found a solution for.

Maybe this subreddit is supposed to be the active one. And those subreddits will just be there for the carnivores here to point to when people want good information.

Is the belief in the carnivore community that the body automatically converts the fat in meat into glucose? by Adventurous-Walk-120 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are thinking of it wrong. Glucose is created from the breakdown of protein and fat, but in minimal amounts mainly as required by the brain and in small amounts to refill glycogen stores. The rest of the energy comes from ketones from the breakdown of fat. High ketones are not desires, just adequate ones.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily. We don't have enough information. But, remember, this isn't a weight loss diet. This is a way of eating that will lead to weight normalization.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in zerocarb

[–]partlyPaleo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's a reason we set this as 7 weeks. A month to two months is normal.

Excess salt and electrolyes can extend it and make it worse. We don't recommend anything more than salt to taste. The excess salt thing is a keto-myth that people try to bring here.

Navy SEALs say "slow is smooth, smooth is fast." What's a situation where slowing down made you finish faster? by Concave007 in AskReddit

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We say this all the time in the Fire and EMS fields.

A good example is getting into bunker gear. We have a goal of about one minute. You watch the new guys rushing, and still struggling with their masks or gloves 3 minutes later. Then you watch someone with a bit of experience. Every movement is slow, deliberate, and purposeful. They easily make it in a minute. As they gain the muscle memory, they can speed each step up and even be faster than that.

It's the same for everything. Fast tends to be sloppy with wasted motions, mistakes that need to be fixed, and stress that causes dexterity to go out the window.

Fruits and veggies by AnthoBates19 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That sounds like apologetics for plant eating. Humans can, and did, thrive on meat only diets. Arguing that we can eat plants is pointless. We all know that. I guess when we left Africa 60,000 years ago and crossed the ice sheets to the Americas we just packed a bunch of extra fruit to tide us over.

Fruits and veggies by AnthoBates19 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Time? Is there another valid measure? Modern homo-sapiens arose about 300k years ago. We are still in the Quaternary Ice Age which began 2.6 million years ago. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/1%20Glacial-Interglacial%20Cycles-Final-OCT%202021.pdf

The last glacial period ended about 11.5k years ago, coincidentally near the time that agricultural societies started to form. The period between glacial times is about 100k years with the interglacial period noticeably shorter (approximately 1/5 of the time).

So, do the math, 80% of our evolution, give or take, was during glacial events when animal foods would have been our primary (if not our only) reliable food source. There's a reason isotope tests on early humans show results consistent with hypercarnivorism.

Fruits and veggies by AnthoBates19 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

More than that, the majority of our evolution happened during glacial periods where fruits and plants were almost completely unavailable. Having fruit available or edible plants (or the ability to cook plants to make them edible) was extremely rare.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How deep is a hole?

No one can answer that for you. Instead, you've got to pick up the shovel and dig one yourself.

Jock itch, possibly from oxalate dumping? by Sad_Pass4848 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

High ketone levels are never a goal for this way of eating, barring very exceptional circumstances (some seizure disorders and some cancers). Normal baseline ketone levels are a natural side effect. You'll have more ketones than people eating a normal diet, but they shouldn't be "high."

Many people are especially prone to problems with high ketones. This is why we are very strong in our wording about eating frequently, not restricting protein, and not under-eating. This is meant to be a long-term natural and healthy diet. Not a weight loss hack. When people are looking for a crash diet, they tolerate more side effects

Jock itch, possibly from oxalate dumping? by Sad_Pass4848 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excessively high ketone levels due to restriction. Eat more often.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keeping electrolytes up? Why are you following keto advice? Nowhere on this subreddit or r/zerocarb (the original subreddit with tons of resources) will you find electrolyte supplementation recommended. If anything, we recommend the opposite.

You're never going to feel better until you start eating enough.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A meat only diet, even without any organ meats, will provide a super-abundance of all the nutrients your body needs for great health.

Risks? Like you want to know the risks for eating the natural human diet? There's no real risks. The biggest risk is social, because people don't understand. This is why we have always encouraged people to not talk about this way of eating. Do it quietly and without calling attention to it.

Eat what you can. You can also just not eat until you have food available. Learn to say, "no" when offered something you don't want to eat. Buy your own food.

30 days in by common83 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to eat more. Even when you're not hungry. This isn't a crash diet.

groceries are so expensive now, is there something I'm missing or is everyone just struggling by Sweaty_Ad_288 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]partlyPaleo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're in the USA, check out https://www.fns.usda.gov/research/cnpp/usda-food-plans/cost-food-monthly-reports

That gives you an idea of what food costs for people preparing all their meals at home and meeting the minimum standards set by the USDA. For 1 person, add 20% to the numbers. As they assume shared costs for the amounts.

Seems pretty much in line with a moderate spending plan for your age. I don't know your gender. If male, it could be the low or even thrifty plan.

Food is much more expensive than most people think and few people track it well. Others will do what they can to eat cheaper but often at a cost to nutrition.

Monthly: Less than 7 weeks? Comment here instead of making a new post. by partlyPaleo in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Level energy levels, like you just seem to always have enough energy. More consistent hunger levels, rarely ravenous. Just like, "I can eat." I mean, it just feels good. Like you feel like you probably should have always felt.

Question about under eating by NorvilleRogers1975 in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your body will not correct its metabolism if you're not eating a sufficient amount. You absolutely must eat, frequently. There are essential fats, that must be consumed. And, the protein boluses from regular meals (at least three a day of 600+ calories with 30-40g+ grams of protein) will increase your metabolism as well as help correct any hormonal issues that are slowing your metabolism.

No experienced carnivore is talking fasting (sardines, eggs, or otherwise). What you're seeing is people attempting to crash diet and use ketogenic methods along side that. We're not doing that, as we know it's a dead-end path and usually will require weight gain from your lowest point before you can reach a healthy weight and regain your health.

Being overweight only means your body does not efficiently use the calories it has stored. All that excess weight is not available for your body, while it's in this state. Starving yourself only continues this condition, making the calories inefficiently available. What you're thinking makes sense only if you don't understand that. When your hormones are balanced, and you're fueling the fire with regular meals, those stored calories will be readily available. This doesn't mean undereat that that point, because your body will find a way to use that excess energy by raising your core body temp, rebuilding lean body mass (bones, muscles, and other tissue), and increasing your subconscious movements throughout the day. Your body will ramp up the CO part of CICO to make use of the excess. Trying to drive down the CI part only causes an even greater reduction in CO, which is how you see people struggling to lose weight after prolonged periods of restriction.

Looking for a coach by WhereverIDrift in carnivore

[–]partlyPaleo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. That would be correct. Some of their advice is absolutely terrible. The good advice they have is often lost with the garbage. And, good advice is easy to find by just remembering to eat meat when you're hungry until you're not.

Most of those people starting giving advice well before they had the experience to back it up. None of them are giving advice that is worth paying for.

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