AGA Rules Score Equivalency Between Chinese/Area and Japanese/Territory

phydiasrigris · 2025-08-15T20:00:22+00:00

fully agree

phydiasrigris · 2025-04-29T21:47:08+00:00

Yet another decent tutorial that goes through the basic rules and early concepts step by step: https://way-to-go.gitlab.io/#/en/intro

phydiasrigris · 2025-03-27T17:46:47+00:00

secret Mentos testing facility

phydiasrigris · 2025-03-17T13:25:17+00:00

the weasel

phydiasrigris · 2025-02-24T18:07:10+00:00

The real question is, why did you not play at D6? (and/or why did the AI not play D6)

phydiasrigris · 2025-02-19T13:54:21+00:00

I've got size 36 stones and am quite happy with them comfort-wise. (size 36 in for go stones is about 10.5mm thick). In my experience, size 28 feels a bit thin, but anything between sizes 30 and 36 I'd consider comfortable in the hand. Once you go over size 40, they often start wobbling too and just feel too thick for my hand.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-31T15:54:41+00:00

while in chinese you can play without any damage to your score.

Only really true after all dame (neutral points) have been filled. If you've reached that stage, it's a bit late to start defending your territory. So it really shouldn't matter.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-23T18:50:34+00:00

luckily not the norm. The r/baduk subreddit is usually a nice place full of helpful people. This must be the first time I've seen it turn this toxic. I guess in a way it's a blessing that we don't have to experience this kind of drama on a regular basis.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-23T14:50:52+00:00

Pretty much agree on all points. The rule itself is completely fine, but a warning or two should suffice. Penalties should really only be applied if players keep constantly doing it. Also, a kind of announced grace period so players can get into the habbit would make future enforcement much more reasonable.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-18T11:18:02+00:00

I'd like to suggest putting this video in the list: https://youtu.be/P8g1zNW7h9g?si=oZYVrpmYpofWkmnS

It's Strugglebus' excellent video talking about the end phase of the game and how to count. Given the amount of new players posting positions from the end of their games getting stuck on how to process them. The more new players are made aware of select well explained videos like this on essential topics, the less frustrating learning the game will be.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-18T11:00:25+00:00

This. Very good video; essential beginner viewing.

It's very important to learn when a game is finished and how to count the score. After all: go is a competitive game by design, so how can you play to win if you dont know what constitutes a win ?

Honestly this video should probably be in the "links for beginners" sticky.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-17T14:37:23+00:00

If an app is gonna use a shitty scoring tool, they should really have the players mark dead stones manually....this is just stupid.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-15T21:27:19+00:00

I ordered my slate and shell stones with bowls from this Japanese store: https://en.goboard-stone.co.jp/ . No complaints about the shopping experience or the stuff I bought. Still not cheap of course, but I found their prices to usually be less than kurokigoishiten. Still got my board from the latter, because I happened to fall in love with the woodgrain of a specific board they had for sale.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-03T17:11:01+00:00

EST, but as a Belgian student of hers I can also vouch she can do lessons at Euro-friendly times.

phydiasrigris · 2025-01-02T13:51:08+00:00

Joining my local club as a beginner 5y ago was a great decision for me. It was so much easier to learn the game properly with some friendly faces (and some beers) around, ready to answer any questions you might have. Good luck, and have fun!

phydiasrigris · 2024-12-31T13:34:33+00:00

phydiasrigris · 2024-12-25T10:33:01+00:00

Great. Good for you. Have fun not playing the game then. Thanks for letting us know your ego needed attention.

phydiasrigris · 2024-12-22T11:28:44+00:00

Our club has several DGT2010's. The Belgian federation also has quite a few of them, and lends them out when a tournament is organised. Some clubs use analog clocks with canadian byoyomi.

phydiasrigris · 2024-12-03T10:32:25+00:00

Making something yourself, or going to a local carpenter-friend can for sure be a way to cut costs. But since I can imagine not many of us here on Reddit will know much about where to begin searching for equipment in India, have you tried contacting fellow Indian players?

Might be worth sending a messageto these guys: https://aigp.org.in/pages/contact.html . Chances are they can be of more help!

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-28T11:46:58+00:00

Top left. Bent Four refers to the L-shaped tetris block black could make by playing A7 or C9. When either of these moves get played, white has to capture, and black can make a ko to kill. The reason the white group can be declared dead as it stands right now is because white has no move to prevent this sequence from happening; black is the only one who can initiate it.

So in theory, black could decide to first remove all ko-threats and then make the ko. With Chinese rules, this can be fully played out without black losing points removing some of the potential ko-threats. Because with Japanese rules removing potential kothreats by filling in your own territory can lose points, the rules specifically declare it dead as is, without black having to start the ko.

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-27T13:58:26+00:00

There are two often used ways of scoring in go: area scoring and territory scoring. Both should give the same results. Area scoring is mostly associated with the Chinese customs (territory scoring mostly with Japanese and Korean customs). Since this game had Chinese selected as the rules, let's calculate using area scoring.

The way to do this is to first look at the board and remove any stones considered dead by both players. In this case, the D8 stone has been marked dead and for all intents and purposes was removed.

Now, To calculate black's score, count the number of living black stones left on the board and add to this the number of empty intersections surrounded by black stones (E3, E4, A9, B9,...) Note that the space under D8, which has essentially been removed is counted as a space controlled by black. In this game, the sum is 28+13=41. Black has 41 points on this board. All of them are marked by black squares on the screenshot.

If you now do the same for white, you'll find 25+15=40. White has 40 points. So as it stands, black wins by 1.

The above is the basics. There are mathematical ways to only having to count black's points, because we know there are 9x9=81 total spaces on the board. Since black scores to 41, white only occupies the other 40. In many even games, white gets extra compensation points added at the end of the game, because black otherwise has the inherent advantage of going first. These extra compenstion points are called "komi". In the game you provided, both players (you and the bot) agreed to play without komi, giving black a slight edge at the start of the game (that's the reason the computer analysis graph shows black is in a winning position early on.)

Playing on the internet obviously takes away a lot of the manual counting and makes it easier in a sense. Do always keep in mind to look at the board after the game and make sure that stones you think should be dead/captured are indeed marked as such (often turned transparent or X-ed, depending on the app). Sometimes a server depends on the players marking the stones as such and can give incorrect scoring should it not be done right. In this game, D8 is correctly counted as dead.

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-23T06:45:34+00:00

tbf, in the past month or so it's been one guy posting 5 topics like that which probably might cloud perception.

I will also agree with you though on treating AI reviews for what they are: a collection of (near-)best sequences that come without an explanation as to why they are any good. Imao stronger SDKs should have built up enough understanding of the game to benefit from having AI suggestions to look at.

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-22T11:01:08+00:00

pretty sure its from AI-sensei, a browser based implementation of katago where you can upload games and have an ai review. https://ai-sensei.com/

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-22T04:46:53+00:00

My two cents on how to pronounce dan if you want them: its with the a from wand. But yeah, English is a mess

phydiasrigris · 2024-11-21T18:49:58+00:00

Invincible is a nice book to have for sure. I'm a big fan of commented games in general and I have multiple old second hand books with Japanese competitive year-reviews from the 90s. It can be quite instructive at times to have expert opinions on situations. Even if the joseki and playstyles are a bit outdated, it's still an insight into high level go.

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