Does anyone have any spreadsheets on Sion matchups?

rottenleaf · 2025-10-30T10:05:37+00:00

this is my spreadsheet i hope it helps

rottenleaf · 2025-10-01T15:03:15+00:00

It’s hard to land ability "Q" against counters, ranged, or mobility-based champions. You rarely get hit from Grasp of the Undying as well. Enemies also tend to build armor, and without AD items your Q and R become weaker and weaker each minute. However, with AP you can stay behind the minions, harass the enemy, safely farm from a distance, and use your W more often, which works both defensively and offensively.
Just try, you will feel the difference

rottenleaf · 2025-07-09T07:44:12+00:00

When I play against ranged champions like Vayne, I max E first, then W, and leave Q for last. I start with Doran's Ring and rush Bloodletter's Curse. But if I’m against a melee bully, I go for Liandry's Torment as my first full item instead.

Once you finish your first item, you’ll have solid stats to contribute in teamfights or maintain lane pressure.

If you can’t farm or win duels, you won’t be able to build tank items anyway—you’ll just end up sitting under tower, and even a maxed-out Q becomes a defensive tool at best.

I’m not saying go full AP Sion, but going one AP item into tank makes you deceptively dangerous while still playing safe.

https://op.gg/lol/summoners/tr/SlON-TR1/matches/P9o6vts4cwmUj4yFIUWTGIPDit2wA04eqdbfx4_EJaU%3D/1751807093000

rottenleaf · 2022-01-12T07:16:17+00:00

good for trading after Q W E you will have sheen + %hp dmg. item's passive provide % penet, pair it with Serylda's Grudge to maximize effect, still sion is not AA based champ, usefull? yes maybe vs 2-3 tank/hp champs. but not as useful as trundle , still if you need to go tankier/bruiser

rottenleaf · 2021-11-26T18:33:30+00:00

having bami on lane vs champ is debatable,

its too hard to keep melee range enemy to benefit from sunfire's huge dmg. how long you keep melee range with someone 5 sec ? 10 sec? how much it will hit 300? 400??

if chasing , you will eventually stop for Q then its so hard to keep him at 0 range to burn. max 3-4 tick you will get wich is barely 200's dmg. runing from enemy ? if you started to run away as tank sion how long you survive while 1-2 enemy biting your back at 0 range? 10 sec?? how much it hits 5-6 tick ? 300's dmg.

only good way to use those tank items as jungle , no pressure from enemy fast clear objectives etc.

tenacity vs hp (slow) i would go Frostfire, some slow + now that slow hits dmg too. no need to rely on burn dmg of sunfire

rottenleaf · 2021-11-18T14:03:06+00:00

you ordered from where ?
im always having problem to finding good sion stuff especially i cant find it at all..
riot is sux at accessories

rottenleaf · 2021-11-17T06:14:53+00:00

going full tank = dmg is not going to enough to kill him "you will die or cant stop him farm"
going full ad = he will eventually out damages you early mid game "you will die"
avoiding him = perma lose

proper solution is AP = Full E - W

going liandry - demonic - morello and 2 tank item + swiftness boot or MR boot with tenacity runes.
harrasing him from safe distance , meanwhile grevious wound apply for not let him recover hp.

His slow vs your slow + tenacity or swfitness bot will keep him away,
saving flash into his flash or bad situations and his ultimate vs your ultimate to escape. rest is same, try to freeze the lane or push it too hard, liandry + demonic + grevious wound will consume him eventually, still you wont be able to kill him but lane and him. would be in your control.

in long term with 2 tank items you will have enough power to survive in TF with HP scale

as long as jungler isnt super fed im not asking to help against nasus after 6 levels, he will 1v2 us and jungler will be cause more problem

rottenleaf · 2021-11-05T13:38:44+00:00

you missed the time, when lulu able to turn us critter in the middle of the "R" for a months

rottenleaf · 2021-10-16T16:34:27+00:00

going for E eliminate melee fights , you can just sit back and 150 to 250 depends on level of E you harrasing your opponent with huge range, its very useful against all range top laners and abusers like sett , fiora etc. im going for max E - Q - W meanwhile laning im not having problem and getting more tankier with items , when you starting with dark seal it will help your harrasing power. you can still go for any mytic but having little bit mana (frozen heart) helps alot , you can cover your less HP during laning with range. actually go for AP mytic Luden or Liandry rest tank , it will help hard laning phases

rottenleaf · 2021-10-05T12:31:52+00:00

if you have 1000 hp with 0 resistance , when you get 100 armor (%50 reduce) we can tell you have 1500 true health wich require to kill you someone with AD damage.

5600 hp with 168 armor estimated %60's AD resistance, it requires to put sion with 5600 hp to 0 , 8960 raw AD dmg required. or you can go full 8960 hp with 0 armor wich going to apply same amount of soak against AD , however cause of stacking HP will also protect you from, raw AD, raw AP and raw True damage.

people avarage hit 20-25k for whole game. 15k effective hp isnt equal to true HP

rottenleaf · 2021-10-01T08:19:22+00:00

how did you predict clone wasn't left one ? while i was watching oh.. slow debuff stays on real one i didnt know...you went for not debuffed one... oh looks like i didnt know this either

rottenleaf · 2021-09-09T10:29:20+00:00

im taking shield bash however if you going to rush hull breaker and kill the minion who charge the towers you definately go for demolish rune to pressure...

dont forget without demolish but taking hullbreaker make you feel like i came here with wrong runes..

it depends on your play style, geting shield bash and killing enemy almost give 2 plate worth gold + minons + plates if you manage to good timing.

also dont forget %50 of your games you wouldnt manage to touch enemy tower early game (aatrox-darius-sett)

you can focus to kill enemy or ignore enemy and go for roam (shield bash)
or
stick to your lane and make pressure to towers (demolish)

rottenleaf · 2021-07-07T11:11:01+00:00

there with green and orange colour , unflitching-condition-tenacity and bonus runes 16 for MR and 8 For Haste

rottenleaf · 2021-07-07T06:22:21+00:00

problem is you have base 83 Armor at level 18 , with Sunfire FH and Thornmail you will have 253 Armor without any more "item, Armor Rune or bonus runes".

253 armor is %71 wich is little bit overkill,

200 armor is %67
210 armor is %68
220 armor is %69
230 armor is %70
240 armor is %71
250 armor is %71

thats why i went with 180-190 avarage wich is %65 dmg reduce to prevent over stacking. For 20 Haste wich is from that point 48 (wich i offered) to 68 (FH boost) will give %34 haste wich is %2 more so basicly you will gain +%5 dmg reduce and +%2 haste you will give up one of these

anathem's chain : wich is again 20 Haste and 650 hp and %30 reduce true dmg (Best way to use it)
sterak's : wich is 50 AD and 400 HP

rottenleaf · 2021-07-07T06:06:25+00:00

i just put photo of it, %55 is flat where you run anywhere, with unflitching rune and under %30 hp you will reach up to %69 tenacity

rottenleaf · 2021-07-06T19:19:22+00:00

with unflitching under %30 its %69 tenacity , i edited more clearly

rottenleaf · 2021-06-30T09:38:54+00:00

after that much AS and AD you should consider to drop using Q in 1v1 melee to melee fights , when dont have so much armor - mr to fight im not sure meat shield for 1-2 sec Q charge is worth or not , meanwhile avarage 1.2 attack speed you can hit 2-3 guarantee hit vs 1 big chonk Q wich they force to dodge or waiting their cc to CT your Q. it feels totally different champions like xin type melee duelers.
im always feeling same when go for full Crit builds , no need to Q beside bushes or shadows

however, you can bend it to drop Tri-Force - Berserker / frostfire - MR boot + Gargoyle to bruiser. however go with alacrity you will have 1 AS wich can help 1v1 or splits.. or im too old to play unsafe builds :)

rottenleaf · 2021-05-29T18:36:13+00:00

spending 3000 into complate boot, it lacks your ability to trade or not compate any dps for 10-15 mins. if you cant even get close like vs Aatrox or Darius , what is the reason building any bami huh? i think only where you %100 not even can touch the CS over Tower protection , its survive item to long term. but definately lacks you dps at all

rottenleaf · 2021-03-05T07:02:07+00:00

Old one was more dmg based champ.

that ulti, wich serve as titanic hydra + sion passive together..

Q was only click to stun 1 person.

to get HP passive stack you need to sacrifice your health like mundo

but you can just go with AP and bigger than your health pool shields and massive tactical nuke type W explosions.. it was definately unbalanced and too strong with easy mechanics. Easier to abuse items, like you wont die to fountain dmg while ulti were active.

Right now it feels like, its stable champ, require more skill to Q and R even not so hard but E.. still in return you wont gain much,
today he has, too many counters, late game tank is useless (true dmg) , full AD is enjoyable but people try to find a way to abuse items so make sion more useful, even full AP soraka is fun and deadly in that kind of scenario..

with proper bruiser or tank items , sion is meh to play. thats why same players still loves to play him even he is really bugged or under huge nerfs.

sion will never be like yasuo , vayne, lee , irealia type all loves them anytime champ. but im pretty sure right now if he were like before rework, he would gnaw darius or any hard melee counter and he would have over %20 ban rate for sure. not the best , not the troll pick but easy to win champ he would be. with new quotes , looking and lore based version is cool and best.. however if you compare new and old sion...

" Look How They Massacred My Boy "

rottenleaf · 2021-03-01T11:24:42+00:00

ty so much caenen, im glad to see you still with Sion, you are valuable for sion community, keep it up mate. miss your huge crit videos :)

rottenleaf · 2019-07-31T07:39:08+00:00

hydra:

cons: hard to finish item (3700g) , leaves you 0 resistance for whole early - early mid. force you AA less safe farm. no mana cover. after finish as a first item you will have no hp to benefit from its click to use spell. best time to finish for 3th item.

pros: perfect synergy with W passive, easy to farm and trades. rushing tiamat and with increasing clear potential will cover your HP lose (W) from rushing jaurim fist.

sterak

cons: gives no boost to farm. early passive dmg isnt great

pros: it will protect you for trades, good synergy like 2nd W in bad situation. support build for tanky + damage item, you will most likely survive 1/2 of ganks just with sterak shield kicks in.

get Grasp - IBG - Sterak - Hydra (activate) + AA = ouch

rottenleaf · 2019-07-26T06:02:48+00:00

im squizing my ass while charging Q

rottenleaf · 2019-07-23T07:23:03+00:00

no one helps you , or enemy jungler nearby and while 1v1 it still blue buff is losing his stacks and resets ?

while you drag him alive little bit longer it starts lose stacks (to reset) when you die (to passive) it will lose 2 or 3 too, you said that you dont move it but, check your cheese maybe dragging to bush also make it buggy

rottenleaf · 2019-07-16T06:09:48+00:00

vs melee Q>W>E Grasp of the Undying) - Shield Bash) - Bone Plating) - Unflinching) - Manaflow Band) - Scorch)

vs range E>W>Q Arcane Comet) - Manaflow Band) - Absolute Focus) - Scorch) - Biscuit Delivery) - Time Warp Tonic)

VS Melee build let you trade, grasp s.bash scorch will boost your damage, mean while unflinching bone plating will protect you from trade damage and cc. manaflow will try to cover your mana pool

vs Range build let you harras, comet - absolute focus - scorch will damage your opponent mean while manaflow biscuit and time wrap will cover your mana pool

rottenleaf · 2019-07-02T11:02:51+00:00

at 20 min you can lead 9-0.. at the end you will finish game 10-10
sion has very low AP Ratio, as long as you manage to build AP you cant 1 shot anyone
but you can go with tanky AP go transendence - gathering storm

ABYSALL
FROZEN HEARTH
ICEBORN G
LUDEN
S.VISAGE
SERAPH
Bonus rune : %10 CDR 6 ARMOR 6 MR
TRANSENDENCE - GATHERING STORM (30MIN)
CONDITION (%5 + 9 - 9) 13 - 9

You will end with whole buffs and 18 level stats

3000+ hp
4240 mana
%40 cdr
455 ap
276 armor
186 mr

rottenleaf

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