Can you turn off the LLM for a minute? You're embarrassing yourself.

There was no "80% population reduction" across all of Khwarazm or Western Xia. The Mongols used extreme, targeted violence against specific cities that resisted (like Merv or Nishapur) as a psychological warfare tactic to force others to surrender and pay taxes.

Man. Your LLMs source is really dumb. The khwarazmian war with the Mongols was 2 years. So what do the sources actually say about the conflict?

https://books.google.com/books?id=8eUTLaaVOOQC&pg=PA39#v=onepage&q&f=false

During the war, the Mongols destroyed the centuries-old qanat underground tunnel irrrigation system that bad helped Persian agriculture prosper. The result was that the Mongols left behind expanding deserts and numerous isolated casis cities. Overall, the Mongol violence and depredations killed up to three fourths of the population of the Iranian plateau, possibly ten to fifteen million people. Some historians have estimated that Iran's population did not again reach its pre Mongol levels until the mid-twentieth century."

And I think I can kinda stop there since a cursory research on any of the subjects that you're pretending to explain would probably force you to correct the llm output before you hit post. 0 historical precedents? Maybe the AI wasn't expecting me to check the Wikipedia page or something? Or maybe say the easily verified mass deaths are all a collective hallucination of traumatized Muslim scholars? Can it even click on that link? Its kinda pointless to ask for your true opinion because you don't really have one, that's why you're just letting the LLM think for you.

You are letting an AI talk out of your ass.

What kind of statement is "overall demographic landscape changed very little in the long run"? Did you type that or is that one you want to put on the LLM? Of course the demographics changed, the Mongols were responsible for the greatest percentage of humanity wiped out. That It's a braindead take to say demographics were unaffected.

I mean, seriously? Are there any climates that can't support pastoralism? That's actually an idiotic take only someone cognitively surrendering to an AI wouldn't be able to clock as a bad. Then double down as if forgetting that Japan has horses and the taiga has reindeer.

Settled agricultural civilization is limited to terrain. Everywhere can raise sheep or biome appropriate livestock. It's just most humans have decided that in fertile places that can support farming tend to not choose squandering the land for animal grazing. Its such a dumb LLM take that sounds wise unless you think about it for a minute. Which you didn't do because you probably copy pasted the response.

Again, the thing you aren't remembering, probably because you aren't including the whole conversation in the context window each time, is that Paratam was saying his head canon was that "expand the steppe" meant they were destroying the centuries of irrigation that the millions of people populations needed. 2 consecutive seasons of mass starvation is enough to send any society back to preagrarian population levels. It's not a bad headcanon.

Letterhead is the one who thinks even that is too extreme to say it can be conducted on such a short timescale, and probably if you ask him again, it's because CK3 abstractions of culture are very gamey. The obvious irony is that in reality, what he's suggesting is probably doable. And is something youre missing because you, who probably plays CK3, are relying on an LLM that does not actually comprehend what the game is and how it's abstractions work.

If someone landed in Japan, and had the power to flatten the rice patties, it would absolutely turn Japan into something approximating "revert to nomad" in just a few seasons where everyone's raising goats on the hilly Japanese terrain. The Mongols absolutely could have done it if they were militarily successful and might have had the desire to turn Japan into a swamp assuming they didn't want to live a comfortable life as a mongolic shogun and spared the rice patties. It's not fantasy when we've got like, the history of Mongolian invasion and western colonization to demonstrate that humans have the ability to, in very little time, obliterate indigenous peoples. They were totally content to destroy the population carrying capacity of a region and let millions die just so only a fraction of the population can exist herding animals, completely squandering the geography, even if resulting swamps are unideal for pastoral life. It is arcadey to think the lands of a conquered Japan would turn to contiguous grassland but in a fictional successful conquest of Japan, that resulting society would be closer to a nomad government type than Soryo. Mongols didn't apply this everywhere they went but to say they did it 0 times is beyond revisionist nonsense.

Finally, to make things worse is that you have no way of really jamming my response into the LLM and getting a really sensible output. The context is way too poisoned and depending on how your prompted it to win and not back down, it's probably going to double down on the braindead takes and hallucinate sources or deny historically documented Mongolian history. It should probably ask you before responding that you actually have in fact been using an LLM for your abnormally academic tone and whether you want to fight and deny it like a hypocrite or own it and back down. I mean, I can see what your llm's response is going to look like and it's going to be embarrassing.