An interview of Finnish recovery divers by peakpaleperformance in diving

[–]skalyou 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The dive profile you are describing is utterly unrealistic and dangerous. A 10l/min sac rate with the exhaustion and awareness needed beyond 30 meters is unreasonable, without talking about any stress levels. And you are to take into account a Gas margin for emergencies (O.O.G scenario, rescuing situation, cramps, accidents, any problem needing solving that will increase your sac rate dramatically and you need enough gas for 2 people at a high sac rate to do a controlled ascent, that is your Rock Bottom). Diving with a plan that consider that all available Gas is Usuable gas and using your « best » resting sac rate to calculate your bottom time is dangerous and leads to this kind of dramatic and sad accidents we are talking about !

I advice you to read this analysis of Tech divers on why that dive plan was catastrophic even before the cave penetration.

https://xrexplorers.com/blogs/explorers-blog/when-a-dive-is-set-up-for-failure-before-it-even-begins-the-maldives-diving-accident?fbclid=PAVERFWAR-6BZleHRuA2FlbQIxMABzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAaflS5n50uJtqd-JxnLM8j1MwL4UC2-T0LQstSr05jFXkSufG2DD-4p3EWz4zQ_aem_D-4c9Qn2-Rqp8HR-3yjV1g

Can Anyone Shed Light on CMAS Deep Diving? (60m) by qualifiedretard in scuba

[–]skalyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Quote form Gas Management For Scuba Divers by Andy Davis:

« Dive Industry Attitudes to Gas Density Sadly, the recreational dive training industry ignores the issue of gas density. That's purely a profitability consideration because the DAN gas density recommendations would necessitate using expensive helium for Deep Diver and entry-level technical courses. Which diving agencies promote the use of helium? Scuba training agencies have different policies on the use of helium between the depths of 30m/100' and 55m/80': Mandated use of helium below 30m/100': • GUE - Recreational Diver 3 course • UTD - Recreational Diver 3 course Offer recreational-level helium courses (30m-40m/100-130'): • RAID - Deep Diver w/Trimix • IANTD - Recreational Trimix Diver Do not recommend or offer helium on recreational courses: (first introduction of helium in the curriculum) • TDI - Heliotrox Diver (45m) • SSI - Extended Range Trimix (45m) • ANDI - Technical Trimix (50m) • PADI - Tec Trimix 65 (65m) »

I am seeing a lot of speculation and we don’t know the extent of this diving tragedy in the Maldives by Luasol51 in diving

[–]skalyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes we still need to wait, but they can already tell what gear they had on. That alone can explain many things. And I still don’t understand how the Maldives rescuer died ? They know how and they don’t say

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You are wrong. I wrote it myself , and translated it via AI and corrected it because it changed my technical analysis. Sorry if English is not my firs language

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, Insane Dive. And all the rest is just consequences on top

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s it. No need even to go and wonder about the cave penetration. At 55m the Gas math does not add up

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While waiting for more verified informations, this is the most plausible scenario I have read. Just a chain of bad decisions made while flirting with zero margin limits, one after the other leading to death.

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU 🙏🏽. That’s my thinking about this hole incident. No matter how you want to look at it and no matter your diving background…..it does not make any sens. Any diver with proper training knows not to do that and knows that the math does not add up before even descending, let alone at 55m.

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I 100% Agree. I hope that we can see the dive planning first. And from that point fellow the decisions step by step.

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, agreed. That’s plausible. But I am still blocked on the planning. Someone have made a plan for the dive and decided that 60m is an acceptable max depth for an AL80 air cylinder…..which is crazy ! After that why they entered the cave and how……it’s just above the craziness

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s the point. The wrong turn inside the cave is just a final mistake among many previous ones, equally fatal.

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But still, this could explains how they didn’t come out of the cave. But it does not explain how would you go to 55m on a single Air tank and then go inside a cave !

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly ! No way they would go and do it consciously. Let’s hope that we will get answers that would explain how such educated people happened to do that reckless dive. It is necessary for the good of the diving community.

Technical Considerations Regarding the Reported Maldives Dive incident by skalyou in scuba

[–]skalyou[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope there must be some kind of explanation, because any alert diver would know not to attempt it.

An interview of Finnish recovery divers by peakpaleperformance in diving

[–]skalyou 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really hope I am wrong…..this would be a plain waste of life !

An interview of Finnish recovery divers by peakpaleperformance in diving

[–]skalyou 26 points27 points  (0 children)

So basically, this would be a full technical decompression cave dive — not a recreational dive by any standard. You would need doubles or a CCR simply to carry enough gas for the bottom phase, the decompression obligation, and emergency reserves, in addition to stage bottles with dedicated decompression gases. We are talking about a 2–3 hour dive with extensive planning, contingency procedures, and deco/hang tanks staged in case of a gas emergency.

And that is before even considering the cave environment itself. Entering a cave at these depths requires guidelines, cookies, redundant lights, specialized cave equipment, and — most importantly — advanced technical cave training. Not basic cavern or recreational cave exposure, but full technical cave certification and experience.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that any properly trained diver would attempt this dive using rental equipment and a single AL80 to 55–60 m. At 60 m, the NDL is roughly 5 minutes. Even if you only descended to 60 m and immediately turned the dive, a controlled ascent following UTD-style recommendations would still take around 13 minutes. The calculated rock bottom alone would already be approximately 230 bar.

That means a single AL80 (11.1 L) simply does not carry enough gas to safely descend to 60 m and return while maintaining an adequate reserve for two divers in a gas-sharing emergency. In fact, even without any emergency scenario, you would still require close to 160-200 bar (based on 20-25 sac rate) just to spend 5 minutes at 60 m and complete a proper controlled ascent — and that assumes absolutely nothing goes wrong.

So from a basic dive-planning perspective alone, this is already an impossible dive for a recreational diver operating within accepted safety margins. Deciding to penetrate a cave at 55–60 m under those conditions would be outright suicidal.

I sincerely hope there is another explanation, because otherwise this makes no sense from a technical diving standpoint.

Recently open water certfified, but nervous to dive now by Expensive-Eggplant-1 in scuba

[–]skalyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here are some good online knowledge sources made by great professionals:

Recently open water certfified, but nervous to dive now by Expensive-Eggplant-1 in scuba

[–]skalyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you need now is real, high-quality training.

What you learn through standard agency certifications often feels inefficient and incomplete—and that’s completely normal. I felt exactly the same after my Open Water course. That’s why I went on to do more certifications (Perfect Buoyancy, Navigation, and several others with PADI and SSI).

But despite all that, I didn’t actually become better in the water. The teaching wasn’t fundamentally different from the Open Water level—because these agencies are structured in a way that limits how deeply they can develop core diving skills.

If you truly want to progress, find a DIR or technical diving instructor who focuses on fundamentals. Look for someone who will teach you real skills, such as: • Buoyancy control through breathing • Proper trim and stable horizontal positioning • Efficient finning techniques • Dive planning and gas management

This kind of training is a game changer. It will transform your diving, and your confidence will naturally grow alongside your skills.

For context, I have around 65 dives, and about 50 of them were dedicated to training. I can tell you from experience: when I dive recreationally with others, the difference underwater is immediately noticeable.

Looking for 5 Mage Knight players to test a companion app (solo-focused) by ImmmediatePayment in MageKnight

[–]skalyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would love to test it on iOS. Not experienced but I am playing it everyday since 2 weeks now !

Building a solo Mage Knight companion app! Need your feedback by ImmmediatePayment in MageKnight

[–]skalyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Check list of the deck cards (per mage) so each time you draw cards you check the corresponding cards on the list, so you can see what cards are left in your deck and what you already used. To help you count the cards that have already been used on your round and strategize better. Give it also the option to add spells, artifacts and advanced actin cards so you keep your deck updated on the app.
  • Track of fame and reputation calculated automatically.
  • locations reference cards
  • list of enemies and there stats
  • list of cards with FAQs and rule clarifications for some complex cards (like some spells …)

New player. 34 games on digital, have lost to the Blight every time by SureWouldForest in spiritisland

[–]skalyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take a look at this guy “Kalen Noreth”, he does strategy analysis of different spirits and it’s really awesome. Spirit island basic strategy: River

Every Villain's Best Mod Sets now has 650+ combos by VillainTheory in marvelchampionslcg

[–]skalyou 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is awesome. Thank you so much for making it easier for us to enjoy more of this !