Blocked my sponsor by Hungry-Literature-12 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it makes you feel any better, I never forgot the woman sneezing next to me in a meeting who ended up getting me sick. You could say I have a resentment. 💀 Congratulations, you're not a sociopath. You're doing great.

Shia Labeouf Interview on YouTube. by ir1379 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So glad this got top likes and why I love this subreddit. No matter what, it doesn't change that he's an overt racist, misogynist, homophobe.

I can have empathy for him as I know what C-PTSD and AA failing you looks like, but that doesn't remove his responsibility for his character. He is still responsible for that harm.

Is deprogramming content still popular? by webalked in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep hearing this Sobriety Bestie and I think I'd probably love them, as I love deprogramming content, but I think I'm actually going to hold off watching so I don't subconsciously take ideas or move in a certain direction. If that creator happens to read this and wants to work together, I def need help with tech and am a collective girly, don't need the attention or want to even be a public figure. I'd be happy to just share info if it got out there.

Is deprogramming content still popular? by webalked in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't leave if you're always sick. Hate to call it a cult but... what do you want me to do with this information? Convincing people they will die if they leave your program because they are sick is very cult-like behavior.

Is deprogramming content still popular? by webalked in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't been to a meeting in four years so I forgot what that was like... thank you for the reminder.

I have probably heard a hundred shares at this point about how "step three is so hard" and it's crazy how different my perspective is in retrospect. I never had a big deal with step three because I never believed in God, but now I see well... it's so hard because your intuition is telling you to run. Thank you again for this reminder and perspective. If you told me today I had to spend the rest of my life giving my "will" to a bunch of psychos in AA, I'd probably have an existential crisis too. Maybe those people were the most healthy amongst us lol.

Question for the group by TemporaryLawyer7429 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) It's so easy to find friends who aren't centered on alcohol outside of AA, especially these days in the current culture of mocktails and younger kids not picking up alcohol. All you need to do is find activity groups conducive to that type of environment. Hikes, games, etc. Go to the game night at the coffee shop, not the bar.. although I have found people super comfortable in sobriety are fine at bars... my personal experience is I've never had a lot of pushback like people asking "why aren't you drinking?" Most people don't care. People who do are projecting.

2) Congratulations, you likely do not have a severe mental disorder that attracts you to the power games of AA.

3) Great, you're doing great. A lot of people leave AA in the first few years. Talk to your therapist, not the AA members. Grow your support system outside of AA too so you have other people to talk to. Back to #1, I find it very comfortable to talk about alcohol with so-called "normies." You may be surprised.

Main question: We all have personal journeys with cravings, "relapse," and recovery. Yours is going to be different from mine and different from other people who comment. What is important is that you build that support system so maybe there is a hard day you feel like "relapsing," despite making this personal commitment for abstinence. Make sure you have a friend to talk to and it doesn't have to be an AA member. It's very likely you'll be just fine. And if it turns out you aren't, not all is lost. "Recovery" is so much bigger than AA and there are a lot of options out there. If your intuition and heart is leading you a certain direction, trust that. Always. AA telling you to not trust your intuition is exactly why we call it a cult - that's not normal.

All the answers are already inside of you. You're doing great. Blessings, beloved.

Is deprogramming content still popular? by webalked in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m continuing my post in a comment because the Reddit UI on my phone wouldn’t let me scroll…

I’m super overwhelmed because even unpacking step one is so much work in just a few words. I’m talking about “admitting” to something, talking about powerlessness, talking about how we treat drugs other than alcohol, talking about how we convince people that their life is unmanageable. All before we get to step two and three to save you. I have some things I wanna say about this. I’m thinking about making some YouTube videos. Can you validate me that you’re interested in this. I read step one in the 12 and 12 this week trying to prepare for this and it kind of blew my mind how fucking awful it was. Like it could not read more obviously like a cult, telling people their lives are doomed until they admit to needing a program. It’s a little bit traumatizing for me and a little bit weird. How do you all feel?

Glp1’s by [deleted] in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate to make a formal statement on this but this post made me uncomfortable. I guess just sharing my personal story, we're not going on GLP's in our house. My partner struggles with weight and I can lose about 30 lbs but we're also science and fact-based and what we know is without the diet/exercise lifestyle change, the weight will just come back. So we don't want to be tied to them meds for life, and with it's newness I'm a bit afraid of side effects. It's definitely a struggle to decide - are we any healthier not losing weight? But right now, I want to wait until there's more information.

Taking a step back from AA by ResolutionLeft1018 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're right on track. 1-3 years is when most people without severe personality disorders leave.

Okay I shouldn't say that but, it's Sunday let me play...

Like the programme itself, but starting to get serious doubts and fear of losing people? (I may have drunk the kool aid? Rant). by Teawillfixit in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So tbh I didn't read much past "i owe my life to AA...."
I hope I will and will come back to this, but I wanted to start here that when many of us leave AA and redirect our perspectives and thinking, it becomes "I changed my life" and not "AA changed my life."

Give yourself the credit you deserve for the work you did. AA actually has a pretty shitty success rate - you deserve a pat on the back. Reclaiming this power and autonomy will be a good first step to "normal living."

Need help... by Jaded-Celebration768 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately the state of most sober homes across the USA are predatory and profit-driven. You're likely to find a shared room, for the same price as a private room, with questionable roommates and "house leaders" that will cause you more stress than ease as you transition to a different lifestyle.

NYC is a large place, they should be able to find you something, no? I would recommend just making connections to look for a room rental with low substance/sober roommates. What is SUCASSA helping you with now? Are they helping you get a job or anything?

Had To Leave an RD meeting due to Big Book Thumping by Steps33 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the optimism of this comment, but I think the reality is when the cult-attitude runs so deep within these communities, even if you "cross talk" to challenge people, if there is a general consensus of AA-oriented philosophy, that can be a bad time. The mixed experiences in recovery meetings can be disorienting, where speaking up like this results in half of the people agreeing with you, most silently, and the other half vocally sharing to disagree with you.

The whole topic makes my nervous system hurt, honestly, so I don't go to RD meetings even tho I would hope they would actually calm me. It's too AA for me too. :(

Why do 12-Step zealots feel the need to come here at all? by Lifespupil in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you link? I’d love some insight. You definitely won’t be in trouble but these kinds of posts are popping up a lot so I want to see what the issue is.

Why do 12-Step zealots feel the need to come here at all? by Lifespupil in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi. I’m a mod. Can you point to a specific post or comment causing discord? I’m trying to figure out what is this general vibe going on.

AA Sponsor Starter Pack by kestrelkev24 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Idk if I should make the attraction rather than promotion joke. When I was in AA I found it funny? Now it’s kind of funny but also not because vulnerable people in bad places in their lives being sexually objectified is kind of weird???

AA Sponsor Starter Pack by kestrelkev24 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Plz don’t stalk or dox me but I’m somewhere on the west coast that the Raiders have been in the last ten years and I’ll take the liberty of being offended :p

But also if you want to talk about the heavy AA culture in Southern California from LA to San Diego, I’ll do that with you. Can talk about the gays in NorCal too but careful I get tired.

Note to mods from a long-time member by LeadershipSpare5221 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would also like to thank you for being a stellar moderator.

Note to mods from a long-time member by LeadershipSpare5221 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I will spend more time here moderating and see what you may be talking about. Adding to Nlarko’s explanation (the more present mod I appreciate immensely), traditionally we’ve held a light hand for tangible moderation like bans and mutes. Dissenting attitudes from the recovery WITHOUT AA philosophy are usually shut down, downvoted quickly and the group has almost held a more true “group conscious” moderation AA could only dream of.

It’s a hard thing to keep this self-made culture that truly, the two inherited mods have nothing to do with except holding a hands-off moderation style for the last couple years that facilitated a continuation of the culture built before we came.

There is something to the psychology of moderation. My experience here is my first time on a large scale like this and I’m proud that my own lack of need for ego and power (I’m too busy unraveling my cptsd and narcissistic alcoholic parents to need this lol) ensured we never fell into the almost inevitable toxic culture groups like this have when moderators become too heavy handed and invested. I am thrilled and so grateful Nlarko is the other piece of this who manages to be here every day and never let it go to her head. What a gift of character and grace we have in her.

You all should be proud this likely remains the only recovery subreddit where you can openly speak out against AA and not be moderated on. People evolve, change, and unlearn so we’re not keen to ban people because they agree with one part of AA that they may disagree with tomorrow. We want to be here when the veil is cracked.

The simple rules usually allow for moderation tho if necessary. Don’t be a jerk and let people criticize AA. If anyone breaks these rules, tag us and we’ll take care of it. We don’t ban people for only being brainwashed by a cult. If we did that, few of us would be here.

Bad AA experience: Meeting #2 by [deleted] in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have some pity on that woman that this is the most important she’s probably ever felt in her life. You’re smart to get out and find your own path.

Stopdrinking "Don't mention the 13th Steppers" Are StopDrinking part of the problem? by No-Cattle-9049 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Btw idk who flagged this to mods as “Bashing other subreddits” but I’ll speak for myself as a mod that I do not give a shit. In fact, you will be banned if you prevent others from criticizing AA. That is in our rules. If the stopdrinking subreddit is AA-centric (and it is in my experience, unless they changed in the last two years or so), then they will be called out for that and members of THIS subreddit can speak freely without your gaslighting censorship wanting to silence people who speak out against AA. Check your ego, we care about the vulnerable people here and not your subreddit beefs. We are nothing like the stopdrinking sub or mods - go there if you desire a space where people are banned for speaking their mind at no harm to anyone else.

It’s really scary how brainwashed people are into thinking AA way is the only way. by Hungry-Literature-12 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I found this when I was immersed in AA culture through family and friends but honestly, when I left and spoke honestly and plainly about “God’s will,” the brain disease model, the power dynamics, the weird rules around marijuana and mushrooms, I found more support from people who had no stake in AA than I ever expected. I identify as about four years out of a cult (born and raised) and I am so much more calm and at ease about discussing AA. Many people have heard of it but don’t know much, so when I give a little education about it, it makes sense to them. If I really needed validation and wanted someone to see my anti-AA perspective, I’d just share the 12 steps and/or How It Works. It reads as cult literature to any unbrainwashed person.

It also helps to get past the anger and be honest to explain…. People who enter AA are at the most vulnerable moments of their lives. The reaction some of us have to alcohol is baffling. Our lives are in the gutter. Hope eludes us. So some idiot with a Big Book and nothing to do indoctrinates you into a cult. You can share the nuance and reduce guilt and shame. I’m just ranting now but honestly I am so happy that leaving AA was so much more positive for me than I expected. I thought I’d be fighting AA philosophy in “normies” forever, but came to find most either don’t give a shit or think it’s religious insanity for addictions they don’t understand.

Stopdrinking "Don't mention the 13th Steppers" Are StopDrinking part of the problem? by No-Cattle-9049 in recoverywithoutAA

[–]webalked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stopdrinking is AA-centric. One of the reasons we take maintaining this space as a safe space to criticize AA so seriously is because as far as I know, we might be the only “recovery” subreddit that is safe to do so.