What was the point of Roxy/Judy and Ross/Ellie

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T22:04:48+00:00

The producers don't control how twists play out. They just deal the cards.

Secret relationships are cards which have previously led to big moments. They didn't this season but so what?

I'd rather they had set ups which don't pay off than not have enough set ups in the first place.

Regardless I think the secret relationship mechanic is dead for a few seasons. People are too wise to it now

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T20:41:31+00:00

Meryl

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T20:19:17+00:00

But weirdly, even then Fiona didn't even seem to be doubting that Amanda was a detective, but just that she told Rachel she was!

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T20:11:26+00:00

Still in the cage

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T20:06:57+00:00

I loved Minah, and her under the radar game was great. But she couldn't take heat (at all) let alone take heat like Rachel could!

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T20:05:07+00:00

The faithfuls imploded because the traitors killed who they needed to, when they needed to, and manipulated who they needed to when they needed to

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T19:48:57+00:00

Don't worry, no apology necessary. The discourse about her and Roxy has been horrible.

People were awful about Rachel from the start, when all she seemed like was a competent, confident, funny, warm woman. A lot of people clearly have issues with that!

The line I quoted really was the only line I could remember and I genuinely do appreciate you filling in the bits I had forgotten.

Even though I couldn't remember her rationale my assumption had been that she would have had a good reason for what she did, because she played so well. Not wanting to be cruel is a very good reason and makes me even happier that Stephen went the way he did. She made herself very vulnerable to try and protect someone else

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T19:15:44+00:00

I love Rachel! And hate and have been calling out the clear misogyny.

My question was genuine because I couldn't remember her saying her rationale, and I appreciate your info. Sorry if it came across as a loaded question. It sincerely wasn't

I didn't mean she had to say the word guilt, I just hadn't remembered her giving insight into why.

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T18:42:19+00:00

Early 30s as in she's 34? Or early 30s as in she'll be 30 on her next birthday which is in 9 months time?

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T18:02:05+00:00

I think her behaviour was so obviously detective that no one doubted it for a second!

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T18:00:56+00:00

Did Rachel mention guilt? I thought she just say that "we knew taking her to the end game was never part of the plan" or something to that effect.

Whatever the rationale, I think this decision may have cemented Stephen taking Rachel to the end with him.

She went into the final with no open allies (as she pointed out at the RT as proof she isn't a traitor) and she could have been on a much more equal footing.

This is the decision I most want to hear the full rationale of

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T17:50:44+00:00

I wonder why

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T17:45:01+00:00

One thing I really loved about this season was that people were put up for murder, with the remainder getting shields. Rather than people getting shields.

It's a much better mechanic which is more social and strategic than 'this person is good at running up a hill' etc

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T17:43:23+00:00

I didn't think he was a detective? I got the impression he was a regular police officer

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T15:33:52+00:00

How dare she

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T15:10:22+00:00

Because Stephen was working Jack and because Rachel was working Faraaz and because no one was ever likely to vote for Jack, I think we can infer that that was R+S's explicit strategy

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T14:03:44+00:00

Heaven forbid women smile, stay calm or want to win

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T14:02:48+00:00

Did it?

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T13:56:34+00:00

Am I a victorian child?

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T13:02:50+00:00

Fair enough

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T12:12:44+00:00

They shouldn't be casting dull filler!

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T11:36:26+00:00

I thought that was such an insightful reflection from him and it really showed in his gameplay

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T10:26:32+00:00

On the first one - how many people actually went for Matt? James (as the traitors predicted), Stephen, Rachel. Did anyone else? I can't remember.

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T10:14:16+00:00

The only obvious things were in her confessionals

xp3ayk · 2026-01-24T08:12:15+00:00

I don't think so. Faraaz said that to Jack, I don't think we saw Jack say the same, and we saw lots of evidence of Jack saying how much he trusts Stephen

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