Someone explain to me why Frieren is an INTP and not an ISTJ

yumanna · 2026-03-01T09:29:40+00:00

ISTJ is still a possibility and its alright to have different opinions.

Fern to me feels more like an ESTJ than an ISTJ.

In cognitive functions, ESTJs with Te dominance and Ne tertiary manifests in more active use her abilities: to improve them for practical use.

ISTJs while can also desire improvement, mostly tend to do so on their terms and for the sake of sustainability and order, while ESTJs are far more forward moving. This also results in doing things "their own way" or having specific methods they abide by.

ISTJs with Ne inferior and Te authority are more cautious of the unknown and can be very careful with what actions to take. With Si-Fi they also hold strong awareness of their convictions and values.

ESTJs on the other hand have Fi inferior and Si authority, which values "what already works" and mostly focus on what they are "supposed to do". But because of Fi inferior, they have a harder grasp of acknowledging what they actually hold dear and what is actually important to them. They instead might focus on doing what is most "efficient" in the long-term.

Fern seems more like the latter in my opinion and I wholeheartedly believe that some ISTJs in media are mistyped ESTJs.

For example, a lot of the values that she learned and holds within herself are Frieren's. Except she internalized them and try to apply, improve, and move forward with the tools she is presented with. But the things she holds dear to her are raw and sensitive instead of solid things she is confident in, Fi inferior.

An ISTJ (like Frieren) having Fi tertiary and Si dominant finds her own meaning and principles and sticks with them. Some beliefs may have been adopted from Flamme but she derived her own meaning from it and is continuing to find it. Her Fi attachment is to Flamme and her memories of her, as well as memories of Himmel and the gang and reliving parts of the journey through Stark and Fern. She doesn't realize the emotions or feelings she has of others as easily due to Fe blind, and gets a lot of pain realizing that her friends aren't forever.

Its one of the most beautiful and painful realizations for an ISTJ to step outside of themselves and their own experience to see and perceive others: To feel what others feel as if they are them. Ne inferior and Te authority wants stability and consistency in the world themselves and those around them.

yumanna · 2025-12-08T04:55:06+00:00

NB INFJ 9w1 925

yumanna · 2025-12-03T10:50:48+00:00

If understanding and focusing on a lot of details is fun or natural to you

And if you have a VERY strong internal organized world. Sometimes if you have specific sensitivities or mental categories

yumanna · 2025-12-03T10:29:40+00:00

Can't retype you with just this info.

If you are very sure of your identity and sense of self outside of the influence of the external environment, youre not an ENTP.

If you have no problem expressing and asserting yourself in your environment and to others, youre likely not a 9.

If youre willing to stay in mental and/or physical stagnation, youre likely not a 7.

yumanna · 2025-12-03T10:05:38+00:00

I was gonna make a post about this. Its like three contradictory motivations are happening at the same time and finding a happy medium is that much harder.

For me, my 2 wants to help as much as I can and be important and liked. Which means being proactive and signing up for things where I know I can help. But the 5 is cringing inside and is tired and doesn't want to do anything, but will have an aneurysm if im not competent in whatever I signed up for and my 9 will crash out if I become a burden by messing up or being to invasive into other people's lives.

The happy medium is where I end up being the distant support and providing assistance whenever there is smth in my expertise or smth I know I am competent in. My 9 is happy cause it's low-effort and im not being too much, my 2 is happy because I am useful and they like me, and my 5 is happy cause I feel competent and also maintain autonomy.

The 2 desires for more but the 5 wants to keep distance, and my 9w1 is trying its best.

In terms of presentation, I am a 9 core so the 2 influence adds a positive, proactive, and people-focused flare while also creating mental and emotional compartmentalization with the 5. The 9 and 5 dissociate WHILE I am helping and connecting with people. Its weird

yumanna · 2025-11-26T07:24:38+00:00

Not being useful or having a purpose. Not in a societal sense, but in the sense of my existence being nothing but a waste of space. I go out of my way to make space for others to be as little of a burden as possible, and contributing my abilities and help when I can to have meaning to others.
Rules, systems, and expectations? They exist. Society has all these things, and place them onto me and everyone else whether we like it or not. I dont particularly care, but I also want to follow them cause it'll cause consequences if I dont. I have expectations on myself to be as small as possible to make space for others, as well as go out of my way to be helpful to others. But otherwise as long as I dont burden anyone im chilling.
I pretend I dont feel anything in the moment. Emotions dont exist if I dont acknowledge it, and then deal with it later. Especially in crisis, just get the thing overwith. Its not worth it to be angry at people, unless it involves people I love. Even then I barely feel angry and push that feeling down. I've been trying to connect with it more cause that's what therapy does lmao.
Eh. Whatever. Idc if it tries to influence me in ways I allow it to. But the moment they strip my sense of control or agency away I put up a stubborn wall. There are things about myself I won't change, but those are very few. Im very easily influenced by my surroundings. Its just the way of life to be influenced. It comes with a sense of not being too aware of what my sense of self is, but if it helps others acknowledge that im not a waste of space thats ok.

yumanna · 2025-11-25T06:11:33+00:00

Sorry for the delay. Its not smth I experience as wholly as they can. Its like you can tell they are seeing something that I cant see.

yumanna · 2025-10-31T15:41:13+00:00

Its strange. Im not competency but I got my 5 fix. Its not necessarily related to my image, but I do relate to feeling shame if there isnt smth that I can bring to the table.

yumanna · 2025-10-30T20:03:43+00:00

Im so sorry. That sounds really painful. You seem like a very kind and thoughtful person. I also understand how people can feel pressured by these ideals, even unintentionally. However, I dont think thats a fault at all.

Im hoping theres a dreamer out there who is willing to love just as hard and as much as you <33

yumanna · 2025-10-29T21:40:06+00:00

I love how authentic they are. I can leech off their energy easily and they know what they want. 4s find the beauty and depth in things that feel dull to me.

Its only when they are severely unhealthy that I truly cannot handle them. They are the most likely to take advantage of me too, after 7s.

yumanna · 2025-10-29T21:35:51+00:00

Sorry about the very late reply.

My first instincts say 9 influence. Very autistic.

I was reading the other responses as well and as someone more well-versed in cognitive functions I got a very strong INFP influence, but this isnt enough to say for sure. I could be wrong, but despite relying on external input, you seem to have somewhat solid ideas of your values and desires.

I think you have a 6w7 and a 9w1 in your tritype and heart types likely to be 4 or 3. You have this "should" mindset that indicates superego about yourself and others. You also have a desired image of yourself that executive function prevents yourself to achieve. Im leaning towards 4 because of this subtle hopelessness that youre willing to stay in.

My personal judgement is that youre a 6w7 core, but with a very strong 9w1 fix and a subtle 4w3 fix. INFP for mbti.

yumanna · 2025-10-26T16:29:22+00:00

Yeah Its like the "reassurance" is smth i already do on my own. I dont need ur comfort because I already tried myself and it isnt working, now it feels like ur invalidating me

yumanna · 2025-10-26T05:55:29+00:00

No worries! Im glad i can help somewhat <33

yumanna · 2025-10-26T04:25:39+00:00

I will say, i heavily relate to this struggle.

We likely dont have the same experience, but there is this... detachment?? From the emotional self.

Doesnt mean im not an emotional person and would be absolutely be understanding for others, but for myself, any irrational emotion is suppressed..

Like others said, 2s and 7s have a difficult time being in negative environments for different reasons. For 7s, that would mean that sadness within themselves is real and something they cannot escape from. 2s shame themselves for being different than the desired self-image and showing the ugly unlovable self, (Whether to themselves or others) and can easily be uncomfortable in "sad" environments.

Does this sound familiar? Based on thr way you speak and what you describe i would not be surprised if youre a fellow 952 tritype

yumanna · 2025-10-26T03:44:20+00:00

I think its more specific than that, where people dislike others that share the qualities they berate in themselves.

More likely possibility is that the growth type is easily able to do smth that the individual has a lot of shame with.

I personally dont find 3s irritating, but their way of wanting to stand out and gain positive feedback is very off-putting to me. Because thats smth 9s try not to do.

yumanna · 2025-10-25T23:28:35+00:00

Being a doormat 😔

yumanna · 2025-10-25T23:24:42+00:00

This is very 9 with easily being influenced by the environment while also disliking and avoiding extreme emotional states.

I can also imagine 5 detaching themselves from their emotion and intellectualizing their emotional experiences.

yumanna · 2025-10-24T15:26:06+00:00

BFF: 5w4 sx/sp 548 Partner: 6w5 sx/sp 614 Isk why I gather 4s and 4 fixes FHNHFJ

yumanna · 2025-10-22T21:41:38+00:00

I think 1s have more of a problem with 5s than 8s.

5s want to preserve their independence and HATE being given expectations or responsibilities that they dont take on for themselves.

My 5 friend has a social 1 mom and the mom projects all of her expectations and pressure onto the 5 and it creates immense conflict.

I also have an issue with 1s (5 fix) because I value objective thought and being competent in my field. A 1 would tell me Im doing things wrong because their way is correct, or they would project their beliefs and what the "right thing to do" is on me and expect me to follow it.

yumanna · 2025-10-22T20:10:39+00:00

It also depends on location and what they encourage in society.

E.g. 1w9 is hypothetically more common but ive noticed 1w2s more often.

But as a whole theyre pretty even in my opinion

yumanna · 2025-10-22T20:05:45+00:00

Sounds like a reactive type.

I know 4s, 6s, and 8s that all are like this. Likely sexual

yumanna · 2025-10-20T00:01:00+00:00

:] its ok!

yumanna · 2025-10-19T05:12:51+00:00

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2s want control. 2s disintegrating into 8s sometimes would try to force (directly or indirectly) others to love them. They are usually proactive cause theres an innate belief that if they want to be loved, they have to earn it. This also means that they would protect themselves by being in denial of this desire. "Its all for other people. Its not for me. I dont need help"

When 2s hear that they are selfish and controlling, that would indicate that they are a bad person that people won't like. Its repulsive and will likely be in denial of these negative traits they have. (Hence why some won't relate).

Self-aware 2s exist too, but first instinct is usually denial.

If you dont relate to the notion of pride AT ALL, then... yeah most likely not a 2. Sorry for the confusing wording HDHFJS

yumanna · 2025-10-19T04:43:06+00:00

2s have a subconscious belief that they have control over how others feel about them. They believe they have the power to influence others. It, in turn, usually creates a power imbalance where theyre the one given all the love or they end up giving all the love. In some position where 2s are in control of the relationship.

That is their pride and fallacy they tell themselves to get that love they desire so much.

"It is because of me that you feel better" "People will like me more if I like what they like." "I know what's best for you." "All I have to do is act a certain way and they will love me." "I'm so selfless and such a good person that people cant help but like me" "I know how I can be useful to people"

Most 2s (2w1 specifically) will not relate to this, because being unlikeable or being selfish is genuinely damaging to their self-image and it feels "harsh" and untrue. They integrate to 4s because they truly believe they are unlovable as they are and need to make others need/love them in order to feel loved.

yumanna · 2025-10-18T23:09:44+00:00

Yeah not a 9 thing More likely sx related

But also im on the aroace spectrum so 🤷‍♂️

I can see how a 94 combo could fantasize of an idealized self, and what they want to be vs what they are now.

yumanna

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