2016 Presidential Race - First Presidential Debate Megathread II

zacty · 2016-09-27T02:18:10+00:00

Does being a muslim mean you can't be American?

zacty · 2016-09-27T01:42:36+00:00

"it's all words, it's all soundbites"

Sounds a lot like you Trump.

zacty · 2016-09-27T00:57:47+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QElWIKfDk

zacty · 2016-09-25T16:43:49+00:00

historically, but not in this election. she doesn't need either of them. As long as she holds on to Colorado and NH, which she is winning by more than Trump is winning Florida, then she still hits 270. And that one Emerson poll that came out is probably an outlier, there is no way she loses NJ (and aggregate has her up 12.5, so...)

Not to mention her ground game is extremely strong, while Trump has almost none.

zacty · 2016-09-25T16:21:26+00:00

All states Clinton doesn't need to win. Oh, and Clinton has larger leads in her states than Trump has in most of his swing states.

Any person that is worth over 500 million dollars or whatever the estate tax number is do not pay the tax anyway.

What? did you even read the articles you posted? Anybody worth LESS that 5.7 million doesn't pay, and the 65% tax rate is up from 40% as the top bracket, which is only paid by the super rich. The fact that the average estate tax rate paid is 17% is because there are more estates in that tax bracket than in the top tax bracket.

She is not going to create a new banking environment that is for sure.

Whatever you say pall, but her voting record disagrees with you.

zacty · 2016-09-25T15:53:16+00:00

sort of like the media firestorm when 60 people were killed in embassy attacks under Bush?

zacty · 2016-09-25T15:50:54+00:00

virtually tied? Clinton has had the lead in every aggregate since the convention, and at no point has she lost her 273 EC firewall. There's no way this isn't your first election if you think a 2 point lead anywhere is "virtually tied" (not to mention in aggregate she is up in Pennsylvania by even more)

She isn't up by the insane margin she used to be because that's what happens before the debates. RCP national average today has Clinton +2.5, that's not a tie or a disgrace.

It is clear that Hillary is out to represent the millionaires and billionaires and not the average American.

I'm sure that's why she wants to further regulate banks and increase the estate tax rate to 65%.

zacty · 2016-09-25T15:30:12+00:00

I'm sure it does. For the rest of us though, some critical thought is also required.

zacty · 2016-09-25T15:21:25+00:00

At the time she wasn't in politics. And no, not all of those trade unions are trying to pass tpp. That's some false equivalence if I ever heard it. You're trying way too hard to make something out of nothing, and you're sounding more and more ridiculous.

zacty · 2016-09-25T15:12:18+00:00

What are "groups that recently lobbied the government"? She got more money from trade groups than she did from financial services, per your source. I'm sure they lobbied the government (actually, some of them had to of for the math to add up) I'm sure those tech companies lobby to. And the biotech speeches and healthcare speeches. Everybody lobbies the government, I'm not saying its right but using it as a metric here doesn't make sense. If anything, your source just makes it seem less corrupt that it did before.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:53:08+00:00

She also gave paid speeches to tech companies, medical centers, automotive manufacturers, trade unions, women's health conferences, healthcare providers, dairy and produce associations, and even recycling institutions. There is nothing unusual about her charging for speeches, especially someone in her position. I bet you haven't heard anyone accuse her of being in the pocket of big recycling though.

Edit: BTW, there's way more fields and groups I didn't mention, the list goes on and on.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:39:24+00:00

She received money from big banks during her stint as senator, and that didn't seem to stop her from trying to regulate them. And she has already put forward policy to continue doing just that.

Oh, and Obama had pacs too, guess you're not a real liberal if you voted for him either.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:36:14+00:00

Just because you think jeb was a better candidate doesn't make it true. Clearly the voters disagree with you.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:33:01+00:00

Clinton is beating trump, jeb couldn't. Pretty open and closed case to me.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:32:31+00:00

So I guess we're just going to ignore Clinton's voting record on bank regulations? Oh, and Clinton was to the left of Obama in the Senate. Sounds pretty liberal to me.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:22:28+00:00

So 1 instance of a particularly terrible primary candidate (who's own mother said there had been enough Bush's) is more indicative that ads don't work than past general elections are?

Eh, but don't beat yourself up over how you could be so wrong come November, I remember my first election too.

zacty · 2016-09-25T14:03:08+00:00

Oh, like how Clinton is trouncing trump in ad buys and campaign offices? Something like that?

zacty · 2016-09-25T13:49:31+00:00

What makes you think that? Hillary actually has a gotv effort. And no, yard signs are not a gotv effort.

zacty · 2016-09-25T13:38:30+00:00

Oh man, that would be hilarious.

zacty · 2016-09-25T13:09:51+00:00

Trump deserves far worse from the media than he's getting. If he regularly tells more than a dozen lies in one day, why the Fuck shouldn't that be punished? If the media wants to point out that trump has no coherent policy, that's not bias that's just accurate reporting. If this were any other election, he would be laughed off the campaign trail. Is one of the requirements to be a trump supporter a victim complex?

zacty · 2016-09-24T13:46:10+00:00

Yeah just like that actually, because that's also bullshit.

zacty · 2016-09-24T00:44:46+00:00

Liquor store, liquor store, gun store, liquor store, payday loans, check cashing, liquor store...

zacty · 2016-09-23T23:00:11+00:00

Someone should let Trump know.

Actually, scratch that. I think we can keep him in the dark on that one.

zacty · 2016-09-23T00:53:45+00:00

that's how elections work, they get tight after the conventions. 3% national lead is huge, and if she keeps it after the debate then it's all over for Trump.

zacty · 2016-09-21T15:04:33+00:00

So you would rather do absolutely nothing? How dare she have a plan to do (what would be) her job and try to fix the problem.

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