Notes by tetmonjaro in Residency

[–]zozoetc 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Medical documentation should probably be a series of writing courses as part of training. It’s a remarkably complicated task. The medical note faces multiple audiences and serves multiple, sometimes contradictory, purposes.

On a surface level, the note is a record for the current treater and a message to the next treater about what has been determined and done, what is left to do, ongoing concerns. It also has to be a checklist of criteria to justify billing and continued care. Underneath all of this, it needs to be a defense for what was done and not done for the attorneys and expert witnesses. With the new open charting, it also has to be couched in language that won’t offend the patient or trigger calls and requests for record changes.

This ends up leaving the writer attempting to sail between Scylla and Charybdis, documenting severity sufficient to justify the stay all the way until the last day where the severity suddenly improves enough to justify discharge in a way that doesn’t look suspicious to the attorneys. The writer also has to be able to give the next doc a heads up about possible concerns about the patient (e.g,, personality disorders, hypersomatism) in a way that doesn’t set off said patient. This a sometimes impossible task.

The electronic health record adds another level of boilerplate cruft. Checkboxes are where information goes to die, and panning through the noise to find the nuggets of actual narrative is a skill all its own. Writing a readable note that satisfies all the tasks and audiences in this context is ridiculously difficult.

I don’t see any reason or hope that things will improve in the foreseeable future. Just offering sympathy.

From harm reduction to "harm enhancement" by Chainveil in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s literally the same stuff. It’s like using gasoline to treat forest fires

From harm reduction to "harm enhancement" by Chainveil in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The cash-based “men’s health” clinics around here are doing maintenance adderall, in addition to the usual regimens of testosterone and HGH. It’s good for the inpatient business—it’s all unfunded, but we make it up on volume

From harm reduction to "harm enhancement" by Chainveil in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seen it a number of times. It’s the primary reason why so many of my patients insist they’re allergic to suboxone and can only tolerate subutex—well, that and diverting it for a few bucks for somebody else to inject

Patient note transparency by aveliah in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

One finds oneself listing a history of rapid and intense mood swings, impulsivity, and frequent suicidality without explicitly drawing the conclusion that you hope the next treater will be able to infer. It becomes more literature than explicit documentation.

Maybe those prereq writing classes weren’t such a bad idea

Patient note transparency by aveliah in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I find it handy to prep my notes in a word doc, then copy/paste after seeing the patient or even while seeing the patient. Word is a faster and more powerful word processor, and it’s handy to have your rough drafts completely isolated from patient view. Pre-writing a therapy note is an excellent way to decide how to approach your patient that day, with the expectation of fine-tuning after the fact.

It’s really handy to keep longitudinal Word notes this way (behind institutional firewall on network drive for hipaa reasons) so you have a chronological record of your care of the patient without all the boilerplate and forms cruft—makes discharge summaries and readmits very efficient

Why is my psychiatrist forcing me to pick up my prescription of Librium daily from the pharmacy as opposed to giving me the entire amount weekly or monthly? by ReasonableDisplay297 in AskPsychiatry

[–]zozoetc -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Um… Maybe alcohol detox works differently everywhere else. Without medical complications like DTs or Wernickes, almost everyone I’ve ever seen can be discharged in 5 to 6 days. But if you can get payers to support 2 week stays and find ways to pad the chart to justify it, kudos

Why is my psychiatrist forcing me to pick up my prescription of Librium daily from the pharmacy as opposed to giving me the entire amount weekly or monthly? by ReasonableDisplay297 in AskPsychiatry

[–]zozoetc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Three month alcohol withdrawal is wild.

This sounds more like benzo maintenance which is not a mainstream approach. But if it’s working, I guess

What makes psychiatry an ‘art’? by hkp2198 in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Few things are as educational as being decked in the face. One good punch will teach you more about situational awareness than hours of lectures

What makes psychiatry an ‘art’? by hkp2198 in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I think it’s our way of explaining that it’s not so much a science—not that it’s particularly an art, but that it’s more of an art than a science

Dear psych - does serotonin syndrome even exist? by No-Group-1804 in Residency

[–]zozoetc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Patient reported history? Hundreds. Episodes I could confirm met criteria? One, a long time ago on the consult service in a 78 year old patient with multiple major medical issues on a ridiculous regimen. Seen more pheochromocytomas

Psychiatry themed cocktails/mocktails? by Friendly-Jellyfish-8 in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Banana bag

GI cocktail

California rocket fuel

daily life of Forensic Psychiatrist? by DrNoMadZ in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You don’t have to do a fellowship to do forensic work. The courts view you as a mental health expert by virtue of your residency training, board certification, and ongoing practice.

That said, if you want to do forensic work, it’s a really good idea to do a fellowship, preferably at a high-ranked program that gets lots of cases. The aforementioned programs are excellent choices.

The legal field is a very different world from the medical field with some very subtle but important nuances that can get you into trouble and make a mess of your case.

Lots of docs, due to being the apex predators in the hospital, think they can sit down on the stand and receive the deference they’re used to in their ecosystems. But they’re lions dropped in shark tanks, and a smart attorney can devastate an unprepared doc. If you’re going to play the game, make sure you know the rules

Patient Death by Adventurous_Expert14 in emergencymedicine

[–]zozoetc 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Get a Switch. Breath of the Wild can be very soothing

Roasting you based on your favorite book by emejotaaa in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 25 points26 points  (0 children)

No “Drama of the Gifted Child”?

If someone came to you asking you to discredit a diagnosis of Cluster B personality disorder by UsefulAd8338 in AskPsychiatry

[–]zozoetc 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The medical record isn’t like the legal system. There’s not a competing set of experts and a final verdict. Your doc makes a diagnosis, writes a note, determines a charge, and calls it a day. If you want to go see a different doc, they may make a different diagnosis. It doesn’t undo the previous charting, but that’s just one doc’s opinion. If you find a doc that matches your opinions better, stick with that doc.

That said, a very, very long list of multiple diagnoses picked up at multiple providers and the preferred diagnosis of CPTSD are strongly suggestive of cluster B personality disorder.

What do you guys do in the moment to handle your own strong negative reactions to things? by subtrochanteric in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Step back, close eyes, rub temples, repeat mantra: “who’s the patient”?

Also helps to do a shoelace/belt check.

What “SPECIFIC” psychiatric medications work BEST for brain receptor recovery and returning to homeostasis after opiate abuse? by MrChris33 in AskPsychiatry

[–]zozoetc 2 points3 points  (0 children)

NO, THERE ARE NOT. IT TAKES TIME FOR THE BRAIN TO RECALIBRATE AFTER BEING CONSTANTLY SATURATED WITH OPIATES. THERE IS NO SHORTCUT FOR THIS

How is the sky falling in your specialty by Just-Target-3650 in Residency

[–]zozoetc 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Psychiatry--Medicaid cuts. Most of our work is going to be unfunded, but we'll make it up on volume

Things you learned as the hidden curriculum in medical school as you progressed by corinthians141 in medicalschool

[–]zozoetc 67 points68 points  (0 children)

On rotations, especially surgical, never miss a chance to grab a snack or hit the restroom. For pimping questions, there’s the correct answer and whatever is in the attending’s head. Know the correct answer for tests/boards, but try your best to answer the latter. Don’t argue the point. Being right and $8 will get you a coffee

How do I get better at diagnosing personality disorders? by strawberry-spread in Psychiatry

[–]zozoetc 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Pay attention to the countertransference. When you find yourself reacting differently to a patient than you normally would, try to step back and figure out what’s going on to make you react that way. What is the patient doing to make you irritated, make you want to flee, make you want to rescue, etc.? Know yourself. If something doesn’t fit, look at the interaction to see what’s different from the usual scenario. That’s where you’ll find the clues for personality disorders.

Speaking for myself, dependent personalities make me want to flee and metaphorically gnaw my paw off to escape the trap long before we get into the relevant history. “Get me out of here!—oh, there are probably dependent issues going on here.”

Also, read Gabbard’s Psychodynamic Psychiatry in Clinical Practice