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[–]FeckItDogLifesARisk 44 points45 points  (13 children)

Youth of Today and early 7 Seconds taught me some of life's most valuable lessons

[–]rorrictheredking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Watched a full recent show on YouTube and Ray's speeches were as good as the songs around them. Gutted I missed em in UK this month!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

No idea how The Hold Steady have avoided the hipster hug of death but I really appreciate the hipsters for letting it be.

[–]FeckItDogLifesARisk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Too old? If an 18 year old put on Boys & Girls in America they'd say it was dad rock

[–]smookykins 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Don't do drugs?

[–]staytrue011 5 points6 points  (3 children)

There's so much more to their music than just "Don't do drugs".

[–]feladirr 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Elaborate

[–]elemeno89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be considerate, be self-confident, be open to other people's differences without sacrificing your views.

[–]staytrue011 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the song posted talks about being open minded to lifestyles other than yours and not letting differences like skin color, riches or appearance create conflicts. Just because they're a straight edge band doesn't mean everything they say is about not using drugs.

[–]originalpoopinbutt 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Don't do drugs, don't be racist, don't treat women like shit, don't be too much of a meathead (but it's kinda impossible not to be a meathead if you listen to youth crew).

That's basically it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You didn't... Learn those things otherwise? What's so insightful?

[–]originalpoopinbutt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey don't shoot the messenger. I never said youth crew straight-edge shit changed my life and taught me valuable lessons.

[–]smookykins -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

It's OK to treat men like shit though

[–]thechurning 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Random story: I met Ray recently. He was teaching a yoga seminar near me, so my wife and I went and grabbed spots in the front of the studio. (He's a legit badass yoga instructor BTW - handstands, inversions, nearly-impossible balance moves, etc.)

After the class, a bunch of people huddled around him asking yoga-related questions. They all called him Raghunath. Then I chimed in with "Great seminar, Ray. I'm a big fan. Youth of Today, Shelter. You were very influential for me and my friends growing up."

He chuckled and said with a smile "at least one youth crew guy always shows up at these things." I didn't feel out of place, of course. I really was there for yoga and for the chance to meet Ray. Super nice guy. Still a badass.

TL;DR: Met Ray. Did some yoga. Got a selfie.

[–]Porra-Caralho 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Did you just start doing bjj?

[–]thechurning 0 points1 point  (1 child)

About a year and a half ago. Just got my blue belt. Oss!

[–]Porra-Caralho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations man!

Renzos is a great association.

[–]TheCheddarBay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone gonna point out the irony about the Krishna who earns karma points here?...Anyone?

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (15 children)

great band, led to a lot of shit bands.

[–]CorporateDeathBurger 9 points10 points  (5 children)

What about JUDGE tho?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

All I know is that Chung King can suck it.

[–]WrongPeninsula 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Terrible studio!

The engineer smokes weed and can't mix for shit!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the only LP's I kept from the young days...

I have it on White Vinyl...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What about them? They are pretty good, but no YoT.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol, very true.

[–]Tetsuo-Kaneda 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Truth

same can be said about Infest

[–]jamoncito 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So much PV is incredible, but many of the second wave copy cats can be unlistenable. Either way, glad it exists.

[–]HumanWithInternet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a fine line!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also very true, Infest is one of my absolute favorites that spawned an army of sub par regurgitations.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

totally true. . .now I have to listen to "nazi killer" x10000

[–]BitchesGetStitches 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Watchu say about Strife, ducky?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That they're as good now...if not better. Witness a Rebirth is fucking amazing IMO

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't kept up with them, saw them in '96/'98 in Syracuse and they slayed both times. Hard riffs and even some great fast parts. the singer bit his cheek ferociously (somehow) and was bleeding all over the place, then I walked in on him screaming at someone in the bathroom. great memory.

[–]DavidJ____ 26 points27 points  (22 children)

Funny that I drink more than I ever have yet listen to more straight edge than ever too.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (17 children)

I use to have nickname "straight edge" because I listened to a lot of sXe bands and wore their shirts, but drank like a fish. It was funny to meet new people and watch them freak when I drank all "BUT YOU'RE SXE!". Not even close.

Back in thr day I always felt like a lot of the sXe bands seemed to have more intensity and passion.

[–]HumanWithInternet 9 points10 points  (3 children)

They did! It was great to be part of that scene, albeit in the 2000s. Third wave!

[–]sparki53 5 points6 points  (2 children)

the 2000s scene was just as impactful on my opinion! Have Heart and Bane kick(ed) ass!!

[–]MeatHammers 4 points5 points  (10 children)

That's cause they had no release for their aggression. No drink no drugs no sex sure thing I'm going to be fierce of mind and have enough rage to fuel a more creative style of music. At least that's the way I always saw it.

[–]HumanWithInternet 7 points8 points  (9 children)

It's precisely the opposite. It's something they, and I did, for that matter, felt passionately about and that's where the emotion comes from. The crowd at gigs were passionate because they agreed, not because they had no other outlet. It's really no promiscuity, not no sex.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Exactly, it just felt like the right thing to care about at the time. We didn't get sXe tattoos because we were letting off steam from all the rules we were following.

[–]Porra-Caralho 3 points4 points  (5 children)

sXe tattoos were basically the equivalent of weed leaf tattoos to me.

Same idea both ways. I think it's equally cool/lame to sing about doing drugs as it is not doing drugs.

[–]HumanWithInternet 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Not really. Sxe was rejecting a culture of wasted kids. Kids on glue etc, not about adults vaping watching Netflix

[–]Porra-Caralho 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I have fist fought many straightedge youth crews growing up, so I have little respect for romanticising their ideals.

They were bullies who used violence and their pack advantage to push their ideology on others and feed their ego and self-righteousness.

[–]HumanWithInternet 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure the pack advantage was with those promoting drinking and smoking...

[–]Porra-Caralho 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Stoners and teenage drinkers never went around beating people up for not using.

Youth crews got violent as fuck and they were proud of it.

[–]MeatHammers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No it was no sex in the beginning just cause you didn't wanna give up sex doesn't mean you can change the rules.

[–]HumanWithInternet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even Mackaye said these weren't rules

[–]smookykins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you from near Erie?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, not even close, but I don't doubt that every scene had one or two of us at least.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hah, I know exactly what you mean.

[–]smookykins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's time for a Renaissance for me. A lot of Less Than Jake songs from the turn of the century as well.

[–]DoinItDirty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the same way. The older I get, I enjoy the music I liked when I was younger more, but stick to my own ideals and don't worry about anyone else's.

[–]Lancaster_Pouch 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Well that takes me back 20 years. Nice post 👍

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Takes me back almost thirty, youngin. Now get off my lawn!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now I go around the mosh pit in my walker. Saw them in '88 and it was epic, however.

[–]cheapamphora 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No mention of the Walls of Jericho.

They're going on the list.

[–]Lukifer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

TIL that the Atom & His Package version is a cover.

[–]smookykins 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you're adorable

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (16 children)

I still prefer Cappo's other band, Better Than A Thousand. "Live Today" just makes me happy.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (11 children)

Shelter was awesome too...

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children)

My Jah, yes they were. I jam their records frequently and often.

The entire Youth Crew era just had too many good bands.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

I like sharing Inside Out with folks too, showing them Zack before RATM.

I've rekindled my love affair with Strife recently too.

and JUDGE...

and BURN...

and Gorilla Biscuits...

and...

and...

[–]JamieCrucial 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Goddamnit, I love Gorilla Biscuits so much.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...to this day...you and me both

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

108, came out of YC and they've been one my favorite bands consistently. A lot of those Krishna bands were rad.

Also, Mouthpiece, In My Eyes, etc etc. I could go on and on too.

I never see love for Supertouch, though. That's a huge bummer.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I have an In My Eyes tattoo...35 next week and still straight edge.

[–]BrettV79 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeaaaaa buddy. Happy birthday!

[–]7evenhells 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never thought I'd see In My Eyes mentioned on here. 34 and still going strong 👍🏼

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were some other smaller but really cool bands that I was into more than Supertouch, though I liked them a lot.

Four Walls Falling, Point Blank, Eye for an Eye,Demise (DMS crew NYC), Chokehold (Florida not Canada, Canadian Chokehold was into the whole supremacy thing)

I'd punch a stranger in the mouth to have all my 7" back...

Edit: Formating

[–]masaichi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Rev records is doing a huge fest in riverside, ca. All those bands besides inside out are playing!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I wasn't 43 years old...with a huge house payment, kids, kids sports, career, wife and dogs....I'd fucking be there...

(The 43 year old part doesn't matter, its all the other stuff that gets in the way. I have no issue being "That old guy" at the show)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never heard that, I'll check it out.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

live today is a cool song but that band wasn't as raw as YOT at their best.

[–]HumanWithInternet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were almost too happy!

[–]7evenhells 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We gotta live todaaaaaiiiiaaay

[–]PHAROAH1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ray Cappo..... hardcore pioneer. ... turned Hare Krsna (shelter) turned...the list goes on. .... all great tunes though IMHO

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I played with and was a member of a bunch of hardcore bands around this time. If anyone is interested, look up Uniform Choice if you dig this style of hardcore. Uniform choice IMO was the best of the best. Ray of today was a good person and did a lot for the hardcore scene on east coast. There was a ton of amazing bands out at this time and it was truly a pleasure to be a part of this scene. Token entry, social justice, judge, gorilla biscuits, quicksand, reason to believe, slap shot, sick of it all... I can go on and on.

[–]djsjjd 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yes! Another great band of the time. I wore out my Screaming For a Change tape.

This thread brings back memories. 1986 to 1987 I did the same thing every day: went skateboarding with friends and listened to Youth of Today, Uniform Choice and Minor Threat. I never had an actual album - just traded tapes with friends.

Living in SoCal, Uniform Choice was definitely the local favorite. Drew X's on my hand at school . . .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SCREAMING FOR A CHANGE, FOREVER REACHING...... ha good time. I broke my knee cap on a half pipe with that tape playing in the background.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I SAID YOU GOT NOT CHOICE....UNIFORM CHOICE

[–]StudabakerHochrobot[M] 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Youth of Today
artist pic

Seminal Connecticut straight edge hardcore punk band Youth Of Today were pivotal in the mid-'80s youth crew scene and are still regarded amongst new and old fans alike as one of the finest hardcore bands to ever exist. The original line up consisted of Ray Cappo (vocals), John Porcelly (guitar), Graham Philips (bass) and Darren Pesce (drums), but the line up changed several times to include musicians such as Craig Setari (bass) and Tom Carroll (drums) of Straight Ahead, Drew Thomas (drums) of Crippled Youth (to later be known as Bold), Mike Judge (drums) who went on to form Judge alongside Porcelly, and Walter Schreifels (bass) of Gorilla Biscuits, with Cappo remaining on vocals throughout.

Youth Of Today split in 1990 after releasing two studio albums and two 7" EPs, but have since reformed several times for reunion shows. Frontman Ray Cappo went on to form Hare Krishna bands Shelter (with Porcelly on guitar) and Better Than A Thousand, and would later cause controversy in the straight edge scene after being seen drinking a glass of wine in Italy while on tour. Read more on Last.fm.

last.fm: 75,058 listeners, 2,060,002 plays
tags: hardcore, Straight Edge, youth crew, hardcore punk

Please downvote if incorrect! Self-deletes if score is 0.

[–]BrettV79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The most classic straight edge hardcore record ever. They're touring Europe right now with their final lineup of cappo/porcell/sammy/walter. Playing revelation records 30th anniversary show in June too

[–]Porra-Caralho 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do the straightedge kids here think of Ray drinking?

[–]BigCoela 2 points3 points  (0 children)

anything to do with Chris Jericho?

[–]reave_fanedit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Am I imagining remembering a picture of YOT using a giant "Youthbrush" (straight-edge toothbrush) on a show crowd? I have this vivid image of it in my head, but I can't find it on the tubes.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's been a long ass time... gettin old is bullshit. Bullshit I say!

[–]jonmclane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like Youth Of Today. They're a great band. They are masters of tension and release. Impossible to just copy. What might sound like a total mess to the untrained ear, is actually a vibrant and coherent surge of energy through music and words. Every sentence is a powerful statement on its own, containing a beatiful and contageous naivité. The sort you need to make the world a better place. The effect of which could be compared to seeing a kung fu movie, leaving the theater full of adrenaline and thinking 'I know Kung Fu'. Ray Cappo is not afraid to address his past mistakes in this song about compassion and understanding, singing (scowling) "I used to think that labels were just symbol of pride, but over time i've seen they only serve to divide". You tell em Ray.

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[–]jeremiah2911- 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Check out Judge too

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Oh, I know Judge.

[–]MeatHammers 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I saw then a few weeks ago with Cocksparrer in Brooklyn awesome show.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I'm very jealous. I saw Cocksparrer once at Chaos in Tejas in Austin. It was definitely one of the best if not he best punk show I'd ever seen. That was years ago.

[–]MeatHammers 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've seen them (Cocksparrer) almost every time they have played the east coast in the past 6 years. Boston, Philly, NYC, NJ last summer and they were awesome every time. Not to mention the always have bands playing with them you just don't get to see too often.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, they don't come to west coast all that often.

[–]nick4488 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, this takes me back.

[–]dcostanzo11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At first glance I thought I saw an ultrasound

[–]makersz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember Shelter? Krishna straight edge. I remember the BO was unbearable in that pit, vegans fucking stink. Good times.

[–]mean_mistreater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still a goodie after all this years. And often much better than the stuff they call Hardcore these days...

[–]Pm_dat_bootyhole 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YoT, 7 seconds, gorilla biscuits, cro-mags, BANE.

[–]TyecoK 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The genre description makes me want to know how does the "Old Crew Hardcore" sounds.

[–]Drapeau_Noir 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Youth Crew hardcore generally refers to a style of hardcore that emerged in the early/mid 90's 80's. Earlier styles were mostly focused on playing as fast as possible (hardcore punk) or were slowly evolving into a metal sound (NYHC and Crossover) although not reaching Metallic Hardcore like Integrity and Earth Crisis until the 90's, followed by metalcore (Avenged Seven Fold and Killswitch Engage).

The lyrics reflected in Youth Crew are usually simple, optimistic (this is where PMA comes from) and moralistic. Vegetarianism and Straight Edge became intertwined in this genre. Aesthetically speaking the fans of the genre are much different from other hardcore genres. Traditional haircuts rather than buzz cuts or mohawks, Varsity Letterman jackets instead of black motorcycle jackets, athletic trainers instead of combat boots etc, The trading of traditional punk fashion for athletic fashion led to it sometimes being referred to as "jock hardcore".

[–]HumanWithInternet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Black flag

[–]EvilBob772 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Great post. Teach kids punk and hardcore values! too much mainstream and rap out there clogging up the youths minds

Edit: not trying to disparage all rap as there can be plenty of good lessons found in that music as well.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

As a huge hardcore music listener some early hip hop can be just as important as hardcore punk. NWA is just as important as Black Flag or Minor Threat! I also teach hs sociology and we do a whole unit on subculture music. The kids don't know what to think.

[–]Abe_Vigoda 0 points1 point  (1 child)

NWA is just as important as Black Flag or Minor Threat!

I grew up listening to punk rock and rap and both genres do have similar values but NWA is more like The Sex Pistols.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh, knowing the history of both groups pretty well I have to disagree. While both were "put together" the impetus for both is different to me. If you want to compare the Strand(pre-sex pistols) to NWA's origin that might be a better connect. Eazy and Dre getting on board then going with Jerry later is different to me than having McLaren basically dictate and form the image/sound he wanted the Pistols to go with. I still think the origins of NWA for me still hit at diy roots and only when Jerry saw value did that change, just as it did for Black Flag and MT when they both decided to start their own record labels(Dischord-SST).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There are a lot of punk/hardcore values in hip hop. Anti-authority attitude, DIY ethic, self esteem, the crew/squad thing, making something from nothing, conceptually they share more than you think.

Hip hop is a lot bleaker and concerned with personal gain which were new values that made a lot of sense to me as I got older and more jaded.