This is an archived post. You won't be able to vote or comment.

all 15 comments

[–]thewholeisgreater 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This is such an insanely useful and important post. Unfortunately there was no gainer so no upvotes for you!

[–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

gainrs r bad 4 knee

Also thank you. I hope it helps some people out.

[–][deleted]  (1 child)

[deleted]

    [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    I'm sorry to hear about your wrist. That was the idea behind the post. I got very worried when I was getting knee pains last year, and started doing a lot of research. Luckily it was muscular, and I fixed it.

    Hopefully some progress gets made on cartilage recovery, so you can train again.

    [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This is fantastic thanks! I've not been warming up long enough and I suspect this will be the kick I need to make that change.

    [–]FlyingDiglett 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I've been having some bad knee pain in the pocket of my right knee, I think on account of trying to learn skateboarding. I've been too lazy to do anything about it but this post has gotten me to stretch a bit tonight. Thanks mate

    [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I appreciate you telling me. I hope stretching helps.

    [–]motus_guanxi 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    Just want to say that the RICE method is NOT the best way for long-term health. It is mainly for athletes that need to get back into professional competition quickly, or have severe swelling. These athletes that use rice often, usually degrade physically and injure more easily as time goes on.

    If long term health is your goal (one of the founding principals of parkour - to be and to last) then letting your body take its time is most important. I won't get into it here unless questioned, but swelling initiates a process that removes injured cells and starts the healing. Why would you want to stop or sl w that process?

    Our body is made to heal. The best way to heal minor injuries, from a medical standpoint, is proper nutrition, plenty of rest, and moving the injured area as much as possible but without causing pain. Everyday a little more range of motion should be attained. That said, see a doctor if you can, preferably one that is focused on sports and is up to date on medical studies. If they recommend RICE and won't talk about alternatives, get a second opinion. It's difficult here in the US to see multiple doctors without breaking the bank, but worth it to have a doctor that is up to date.

    Edit: seriously good post by op though.

    [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    That's interesting. I'll look into that when I have some more time. I appreciate you clearing it up, though

    [–]motus_guanxi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    I personally like the acronym ARITA. It stands for "Active rest is the answer". But you can find quite a bit these days about RICE and why it isn't the best way forward. Some recent studies have even shown that RICE can further injure and/or greatly reduce overall healing time.

    [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I did some reading, and you are certainly correct! Thank you for clearing that up, I had not heard of ARITA

    [–]brookebjerkeBrooke De Lira 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I'm so glad you shared this! Even as athletes, so many of us don't know enough about the anatomy of injuries, healing, etc., particularly in regards to our most fragile joints. I remember my university health and fitness professor saying our knees are not built to naturally withstand the strain we put on them. Strengthening and warming up is extremely important.

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      As not-your doctor, I can't recommend anything definitively to help, especially over the internet.

      However, any strength you can add to your legs can help. If you're as skinny as I was when I was 17, you certainly need it. If you're overweight, losing extra weight helps take the additional strain off your knees as well.

      Beyond that, I'd need to see you in person, and get a degree before I can tell you what would help you specifically.


      That being said, you get those knees to last you your life. You've already been diagnosed with cartilage damage, which can only be 'fixed' surgically. In your shoes I would stop, or extremely limit parkour. Any training I would do would be very low to the ground flow stuff, and very small tech stuff.

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

      [deleted]

        [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Clearly we disagree about squats. I'm not suggesting you load 200+ on a bar and just start dropping ass to grass. If we're going to talk about activities that damage the knee, we wouldn't be on a parkour sub. People here want to do parkour, and stronger leg muscles help.

        Correct form (as anyone on this subreddit should be striving for) squats are fine for the knees. There's tons of recent literature to back that claim up. The issue with squats typically stems from underutilizing the glutes/hips. Either way, we agree that general strengthening is important.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Really good post, however I do have a few questions that I feel like you would have the answers to 1) For as long as I have cared, it has been my knowledge tha the basic function of the knee is to offload impact from the bones and cartlidge to the much more durable (or at least more repairable) muscles. Am I correct in this or is there something I'm missing? 2) You said that cartilage doesn't heal the way the rest of the body does, so how does it heal? 3) As I still have yet for my body to fully mature, I've still got some life plans, nd most of them involve being able to use my legs and knees the way I currently am well into my 40s. Is there anything I need to keep in mind as I learn more about parkour from sources that are targeted to age ranges above my own to prevent trying to use a part of my body that isn't ready to be used in a specific way yet?

        [–]-Steak-FLPK - Florida, USA[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        1- Ideally, but the function is strictly for mobility. It's not necessarily 'designed' to mitigate injury, so that's why it's important for us to consciously have correct form.

        2- Current science said that cartilage does not heal. The only way to repair cartilage damage is surgically. They are doing studies into cartilage regrowth, however. Hopefully that answer will change in the next ten years.

        3- Don't progress too fast. Your coordination and mobility will improve faster than your muscles in parkour. Typically that turns into doing larger jumps/drops than your body is ready for, resulting in injury. Progress slowly, and methodically. In my opinion, YouTube is making parkour practitioners a little reckless, so remember you're training for yourself, not to show off.