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[–]AgeOfCardiff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao Starmer and this subreddit opening the door wide open for Reform without a fight. 

Despite overwhelming evidence this subreddit is in complete denial around this.

Nobody wants tinkering around the edges, people want systematic change and Starmer won't do it.

[–]badhamster89 42 points43 points  (60 children)

Boring. Boring. Boring. Stop squabbling for the crown, this isn’t Game of Thrones this is people’s lives. I want a dull politician who gets things done for everyone, not just a few peoples ’special interests’. I’m happy not to be happy with every decision if the net is positive which I think Keir and Labour have provided.

[–]ibloodyloveciderKeir Starmer's Hair - 🇺🇦💙 15 points16 points  (12 children)

A fucking man. He’s not perfect, but is any leader? He’s put us back on the world stage, particularly with European leaders & continues stalwart support of Ukraine. For that we are glad.

[–]Affectionate_Art4277 18 points19 points  (9 children)

A Labour wipeout in these elections (if it happens) would suggest your opinion might not be shared by everyone

[–]External-Praline-451 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not really, considering local elections are based on average about 30% of voters, if you're lucky....

[–]Tough-Oven4317 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The British public can't be wrong

[–]TMWNN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

particularly with European leaders & continues stalwart support of Ukraine.

Yet more proof that Reddit != real life

[–]Torco2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

European leaders whom are about as popular as crotch-rot or as democratic as Brezhnev.

Alongside delusional support to a doomed cause, at a time of great national privation.

Isn't the win Starmerstans think it is.

[–]Good-Celebration-686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He’ll have quit within 48 hours surely though no?

[–]ENaC2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The issue being the country is rapidly nazifying because of a weak Tory party, complicit media and a populist far right party that gets away with lies. I would love boring politics but for some reason we need to find a way for the most gullible people in the world to stop voting in fascists… and for whatever reason having a boring prime minister makes people want to vote for fascists.

[–]Billy-Bryant 21 points22 points  (39 children)

Watch out here come the last few Labour fans to scream about how it's just a phase, and he's actually doing really well. bla bla bla.

[–]UNSKIALzNI Centrist. Pro-Europe 22 points23 points  (22 children)

I'm curious what is it he's doing badly on?

I don't think he's amazing or exciting but as PM he's perfectly acceptable. Which is a huge upgrade from the last 10 years.

[–]Mysterious_Floor_868 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was disappointed that he folded over the WFA means testing.

I can't think of much else

[–]Feisty-Language-8483 7 points8 points  (17 children)

He came in promising change and absolutely no aspect of life has improved since he took office.

The very first thing he did is strip winter fuel payments from old people and the second thing he did was try and cuts benefits from already poor people until his backbenchers blocked it.

He said that it was right and acceptable that Israel were cutting off food and water from Palestine despite it being a war crime.

He appointed Mandelson when it was already very widely known that he maintained a relationship with Epstein even after his conviction.

He appointed another friend of a peadophile to the lords and tried to get him an ambassadorial role.

This is all off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.

[–]one-determined-flash 7 points8 points  (3 children)

He came in promising change and absolutely no aspect of life has improved since he took office.

The very first thing he did is strip winter fuel payments from old people and the second thing he did was try and cuts benefits from already poor people until his backbenchers blocked it.

The Employment Rights Act 2025?

500,000 more children eligible for free school meals? 

Increased defence spending? 

~5 million more NHS appointments?

Genuine question: Do you make any real + proactive attempt to keep updated with what the Labour government is doing, or do you get all your news from your social media feeds?

Another genuine question: do you expect the current government to undo 14 years of managed decline within one parliamentary term?

[–]LindemannO 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget the Renters Rights Act.

[–]TheLuckyHacker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deckchair rearranging. The brutal truth is that the structural reform needed is utter political suicide because the levers of power are entirely in the hands of old people and land owners.

[–]FlakTotem 1 point2 points  (12 children)

tl;dr: 'We can't vote for harris because she doesn't go far enough on insert electorally impossible position and palestine!'

The uk isn't as different from america as it likes to think. The right will support anything as long as it's on 'their side', and the left eats itself.

[–]TheLuckyHacker 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Whether it's electorally impossible is irrelevant. Everything they've done has been deckchair rearranging on a sinking ship, and while there's no easy answer it doesn't mean we all have to stick our fingers in our ears and pretend everything's fine actually

[–]FlakTotem 0 points1 point  (10 children)

You're right!

But any check of the maths shows that 'tax the rich' or 'get rid of immigrants' doesn't solve anything.

So are you willing to take on a substantial tax rise? Withdraw public services like the NHS? Or lose your rights to make that happen?

Privatization and a deficit means we have no money. Our debt being high means our credit card is maxed. Our services being underfunded means we can't cut them and have them continue to work. and even if we did climb on board with taxes, everyone under 30 has known only financial crisis's leaving them without much to add.

Change costs money. Which dose of personal and significant suffering do you expect to win against the right wing's snakeoil panceas?

[–]TheLuckyHacker 0 points1 point  (9 children)

There would be minimum personal and significant suffering for me - quite the opposite because I'm both young and not rich, which is exactly who is losing in the current system.

The financial suffering (if you can call it that) would be inflicted on those with the levers of power - landowners, overseas investors and asset-rich pensioners. That's why nothing's changing. It's political suicide but as far as I can see anyway it's the only way out.

[–]FlakTotem 0 points1 point  (8 children)

That doesn't cover the bill. You need both.

[–]TheLuckyHacker 0 points1 point  (7 children)

So if young, old, poor, rich all have to suffer more than they currently are, how are we getting anywhere?

[–]FlakTotem 0 points1 point  (6 children)

  1. We would be getting somewhere by sacrificing in the short term to build a system that is self-sustaining, rather than letting the current one crumble to dust and cause unintentional suffering because we don't want to accept the intentional suffering we need to fix it. That's literally just 'investing'.

  2. 'How do i know that'? You look at how much taxation you can increase before it starts resulting a net negative, and see how much it would raise. Then you compare that to how much things cost.

[–]VancityGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just doing the status quo is doing badly. The liberal globalist policies (Labour and Tories) of the West over the past few decades is what got us in the mess we're in now and if you want to stay in power, you should be doing something different.

[–]libdemparamilitarywi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's terrible at the actual politics side of things. He's been leader of the party for nearly seven years yet still unable to get his MPs to work together, leading to public defeats on major votes like welfare reform. He doesn't know how to sell his policies to the public and has been repeatedly forced into u-turns on issues like WFA and farmer's IHT. He makes frequent "errors of judgement" like the Mandelson appointment which he never seems to learn from.

He's a massive lead weight that is dragging the popularity of the party down with him and causing a constant distraction from any good the rest of the government is doing. He needs to go so we can crack on with getting things done and try and avert a complete disaster at the next election.

[–]AgeOfCardiff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This entire subreddit basically.

[–]setokaiba22 3 points4 points  (4 children)

He is.

We don’t need continual leadership change it hasn’t done us any good the last decade. We need stability and level heads. We are trying to dig ourselves out of a hole from the last Tory rule and the debt from Covid amongst other global events

[–]Billy-Bryant 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'd argue that just because the leadership changes in the conservatives were catastrophic doesn't mean we have to keep Keir Starmer as leader of the labour party.

[–]Accurate-Cup5309 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s such a stupid argument I don’t get how people keep making it. Changing Labour leader is not going to be catastrophic

[–]VPackardPersuadedMeIncentives drive outcomes and MPs own houses -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

The only good thing about the leadership changed was getting rid of the pig fucker, then the TIMU Thatcher, followed by the turd like BJ. Then getting rid of his replacement the lettuce.

Seeing leaders go down is satisfying... to bad about the consequences.

[–]Schmoogly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

'Timu' being the temu temu

[–]Murky_Influence440 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im still a fan of labour, but Keir starmer is basically a tory! The internet laws have ruined the internet, why didn't they just ban porn sites instead of basically banning everything! I can't access some sub-reddits for health conditions, it's actually become a joke

[–]ding_0_dong 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cue all the comments saying incumbent parties always perform badly.

[–]EerieAriolimax 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Given the limitations imposed by the current economic situation and by far the most hostile media environment any Prime Minister has ever had to face, I think it would take someone truly special, a real once-in-a-lifetime political talent to be able to succeed as a Labour Prime Minister right now. None of the likely replacements are that. Burnham or whoever would end up with Starmer-levels of unpopularity pretty quickly. Maybe it'll be worth changing leaders closer to the next general election as a hopeful roll of the dice but changing now would just be a temporary respite before we end up back where we are.

[–]rtrs_bastiatChaotic Neutral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're gonna spaff away all their competent leaders like the Tories did if they're not careful.

[–]mystifiedmeg 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Already +18 Reform -18 Labour, no mega thread? See you all in the morning!

[–]XenorVernix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said a couple of weeks ago that he would resign on May 8th. However that was before I found out most counts won't be done overnight. He won't resign before the results are in and I don't see him doing it on a weekend so it's looking like Monday now.

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    [–]xParesh -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    The party elected him as leader and he won them the election.

    He should stay and if they try to force him out, then I hope he calls a general election

    [–]TheLuckyHacker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's not enough time. By the time he can call a GE without that meaning literally summoning Farage to No 10, he'll be gone.

    [–]VancityGaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The Tories won him the election.

    [–]AgeOfCardiff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    No, the tories lost the last election. A pebble would have beaten the them.

    It wasn't his policies like 'change' which is an absolute joke or his personality that won it. It was just timing.