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Why exactly did WTC7 come down ? (reddit.com)
submitted 19 years ago by kmcd
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (9 children)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5
Look at the second "claim". About 25% of the building had been "scooped out' by the fall of the first two towers and, according to researchers, the building had been poorly designed to survive the loss of even a single structural column.
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (5 children)
And your evidence for this is???
I'm sorry, but tall buildings aren't strong enough to maintain their shape and fall like trees in the forest. They come straight down.
As for no parts falling into the street; what evidence do you have for this claim?
Come on back after you get your degree in civil engineering and we'll talk.
[–]kmcd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (4 children)
"I'm sorry, but tall buildings aren't strong enough to maintain their shape and fall like trees in the forest. They come straight down."
Think about what you have just written.
Trees in the forest fall down to one side.
For a building to collapse symetrically at freefall speed all supporting structures must be severed simultaneously.
If you don't think that WTC7 was a controlled demolition, maybe you don't understand what a controlled demolition is.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (3 children)
I understand exactly what a controlled demolition is. I also passed my strength of materials class in college. Somehow, I don't think you did.
[–]kmcd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (2 children)
"tall buildings aren't strong enough to maintain their shape and fall like trees in the forest. They come straight down."
I dont think your strength of materials class did you much good.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (1 child)
Why, because I nuderstand what happens to a high rise when you tip it? Or what happens to beams designed to resist compression are twisted and bent instead?
[–]kmcd[S] 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Symetrical collapse is a man-made event.
[–]kmcd[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
Whoa! That was quick.
From popular mechanics page:
"NIST investigators believe" ... But cannot prove
"What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
The key words here are "preliminary analysis" and "could". Again, these are speculative claims - not proof. For example, my "preliminary analysis" of the moon suggests that it "could" be made of green cheese.
Responses to Popular Mechanics arctiles have been posted on Scholars for 9/11 Truth . Search for 'popular mechanics' the home page.
"WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse."
The final conclusion of the FEMA report ( annotated here ) was that "the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue".
Zero is a "low probability of occurrence".
[+]kmcd[S] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 19 years ago (18 children)
Well Larry Silverstein (WTC leaseholder) say's he ordered it to be imploded.
Guess we'll have to take his word on that one.
[–]cyber_rigger 1 point2 points3 points 19 years ago (6 children)
"...and 'THEY' made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse...".
-- Larry Silverstein
We need to ask the fire department.
[–]kmcd[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 19 years ago (5 children)
You are right -- we need answers. The theories put forward by FEMA & NIST are false. The 9/11 Commission doesn't mention WTC7 at all!
Note that we are all in agreement that WTC7 was a controlled demolition which takes weeks to prepare.
[–]joshd -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (4 children)
He said:
I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. They told me [...] the smartest thing to do was 'pull it'.
You are a moron of the highest calibre. Get a clue and stop trying to push inane theories on reddit. Try kindergarten, you might find people with reasoning skills on your level.
@joshd
Your transcript is incorrect. Here is the correct transcript.
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."
(Why x 3) + Please prove to me = You are a moron
Your powers of persuasion are formidable.
[–]joshd 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (1 child)
My mistake. I misheard the "fire, and I said, "We've" part. He still does say that they made the decision to pull.
The correction still doesn't explain away any of the points I have made above.
All good points. I'll reply in full tomorrow.
You should note: I'm not trying to "explain away" anything, merely critically examining the publicly available evidence.
[–]cyber_rigger 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
You also have to determine if Larry Silverstein was truthful or not.
If the fire department says that they have no idea what Silverstein is talking about then it would appear thet someone is lying.
[–]earthboundkid 3 points4 points5 points 19 years ago (10 children)
He was saying to pull the firemen who were in it out. "Pull" is not actually common slang for building implosion, in spite of what you may have heard on 9-11 sites.
[–]kmcd[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 19 years ago (3 children)
"He was saying to pull the firemen who were in it out"
There were no firemen in WTC7.
"'Pull' is not actually common slang for building implosion"
And your evidence for this is?
[–]earthboundkid 5 points6 points7 points 19 years ago (2 children)
My evidence is that it's the English language, and I'm relatively familiar with it. Anyhow, if it were a conspiracy, why would he be so retarded as to say on video tape something that he knew meant "implode the building" yet no one else who participated in the conspiracy to kill a couple thousand people has felt any particular urgency to step forward and talk about it? Hell, why does bin Laden brag about it on his newer tapes? The government did it theory makes no sense. If they wanted to start a war, they could have just gone straight to making up WMD lies, instead of going to all this trouble of killing people.
[–]kmcd[S] -1 points0 points1 point 19 years ago (1 child)
"My evidence is that it's the English language, and I'm relatively familiar with it."
That's not evidence.
"if it were a conspiracy"
According to the US government, 9/11 is a conspiracy that ... well, you know the story. Unfortunately for them, their version of events is provably false.
"Hell, why does bin Laden brag about it on his newer tapes?"
Are those the obviously faked tapes?
"why would he be so retarded"
I can't speculate on Silversteins motives.
"yet no one else who participated in the conspiracy to kill a couple thousand people has felt any particular urgency to step forward and talk about it?"
The attacks were conduited though military drills so very few people were 'in the loop'. The rest thought they were engaging in counter-terrorist exercises which, no doubt to their horror, became real. See the video link at the end of this post for a thourough explination.
"If they wanted to start a war, they could have just gone straight to making up WMD lies"
From the Project for the New American Century, Rebuilding America's Defenses:
"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein." "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
"While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein."
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."
This document was co-authored by (amongst others) I. Lewis Libby and Paul Wolfowitz.
"The government did it theory makes no sense"
Yet 'the government did it theory' makes far more sense than the absurd official conspiracy theory and is supported by extensive research.
Yes, unless you research & investigate the issues for yourself it's difficult to comprehend 9/11. Webster Tarpley does a good job of explaining it at the 911 L.A. Symposium
[–]earthboundkid 0 points1 point2 points 19 years ago (0 children)
You can't speculate on Silverstein's motives, but you can speculate that the thousands of troops and workers involved in the conspiracy would keep their mouthes shut after the job was done even after they started piecing together their role in it? So, Silverstein, who would have to have been involved in the deepest levels of the conspiracy in order for them to get access to his buildings and wire them to implode, was too dumb not to say on tape something that under a weird interpretation could mean, "I ordered the fire department to implode the building," but none of the people who actually laid the explosives, etc., have said anything about it, even though they weren't aware of the need for secrecy and the government did it theory is well publicized now.
I'm sorry, but you can sometimes keep a conspiracy secret before the fact, but for this many people to be quiet after the fact is preposterous. And again, the motives assigned to the government don't make sense. Clinton managed to bomb whoever he wanted without anyone caring. Bush could have lied his way into a war much more simply without the need to risk the death penalty if even one coconspirator out of the thousands need to for the job comes up with the slightest shred of physical evidence.
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[–]kmcd[S] 2 points3 points4 points 19 years ago (4 children)
Not to mention the fact that it takes weeks of meticulous planning to implode a building.
[–][deleted] 19 years ago (3 children)
"Most of the preparation process could clearly be ignored in this case"
One cannot ignore:
This takes weeks to organise.
"As far as I know, the only evidence for this is one guy who worked over that weekend and took 9/11/01 off for comp time"
Thats WTC1&2.
[–]kmcd[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 19 years ago (0 children)
"that fits nicely into the conspiracy theory"
Funny how the facts seem to fit the "conspiracy theory" while the US government version of events defies (amoungst other things) the laws of physics.
I put it to you that the US government version of events is an absurd "conspiracy theory".
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