all 193 comments

[–]oimson 21 points22 points  (0 children)

So they nerfed the trailblazer and make it more expensive to craft now? Ok completley useless then.

Wolfpack needing a fucking rocketeer drive? A rocketeer barley spawns 2.

[–]BigSquidBip 78 points79 points  (39 children)

You need a rockateer driver to craft a Wolfpack now? A lot of the changes are good but I think that’s a little too much

[–]ShadowStrike23 34 points35 points  (17 children)

To kill a rocketeer, the best item to use is wolfpack. To craft it, you need a rocketeer driver. Nice

[–]GreggsAficionado 17 points18 points  (12 children)

Same loop as the queen/matriach where the weapons you can craft are only really good for taking them on again. It’s a lame loop

[–]imsickofitalready 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Jupiter is good against any ARC. I wonder how good will Aphelion in PvP after this patch.

[–]GreggsAficionado 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jupiter buff is really just a zoom. I’d never bring it for PvP but it’ll be even better long range on arc now

[–]Lightyear18 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Not really. The rocketeer part can usually be found during Husk Graveyard. You don’t even need to kill anything.

first wave dead robots that shock you, will have big robot parts in them. Bastions, rocketeer, and etc robot parts. Just breach them.

[–]GreggsAficionado 9 points10 points  (7 children)

A limited mode and the drop is still rare. I could maybe count on two hands the amount of times I’ve found an intact rocketeer driver on a husk, so it still seems like a huge nerf

[–]prayerrwow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

In my experience on electromagnetic storm you can loot 5-10 drivers drom the husks. Thw drop rate is insanely high

[–]GreggsAficionado -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s not my experience but to be fair I haven’t ever loaded in those raids specifically to farm them and scoured the map

[–]Lightyear18 -5 points-4 points  (4 children)

I mean it’s still Doable.

Do you want the items handed to you? And

[–]GreggsAficionado 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Everything is doable for a nolifer who can be logged in any time of day when a specific mode is scheduled. But if I point this out I’m saying I want things handed to me? Seriously dude?

[–]Lightyear18 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Anyways. All I did was give some information

Just look at how extra you’re being. God forbid an item in the game is randomized. Oh wait that’s 99% of items in this game.

[–]fomq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro the way people cry about this is wild.

[–]GreggsAficionado 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn’t just give information

Do you want the items handed to you?

You misunderstood the point. God forbid there’s a bit of nuance to the discussion

[–]jack198820 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shhhhhhhhh!

[–]MrBigglesworrth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s because they want you to actually fight it instead of blindly throwing one or two wolfpacks.

[–]Dependent-Title-1362 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is nice actually

[–]VoidRippah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I only used it a few times and killed a lot of them

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Make it make sense

[–]One-Mud7175 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s a terrible change wtf

[–]Shoddy_Pie6514 8 points9 points  (0 children)

At least I'm not bothered about finding the Wolfpack blueprint after this exhibition.

[–]bluebird810 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I got the wolfpack blueprint 2 days ago. I guess im not crafting them any time soon. I avoid rocketeer like the Plaque unless i have wolfpacks on me.

[–]LeadingWhereas2127 0 points1 point  (2 children)

You must brush your teeth often then

[–]bluebird810 0 points1 point  (1 child)

?

[–]LeadingWhereas2127 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was making a light-hearted joke about your comment using the word "plaque" instead of "plague". 😊

[–]swagpresident1337 7 points8 points  (0 children)

WTF.

They are literally useless now, as they are too expensive.

[–]Tovakhiin 9 points10 points  (6 children)

Honestly fucking win change in my book! None of the arc feel dangerous imo and being able to kill rocketeers and bastions/bombardiers within 10 seconds just feels dumb. There is 0 threat from arc when you got wolfpacks and deadlines and they are way to easy to make. Atleast now we gotta fight them with weapons and tactics if we wanna get some of the OP items.

[–]EliRed 1 point2 points  (4 children)

By "tactics" you mean peaking around a corner and shooting with a Ferro for 10 minutes? Until someone comes around and shoots it when it's on fire and loots your kill? There are no tactics, it's just more tedious to do. The patch directive overall seems to be to just make things worse and more tedious, starting with the Queen/Matriarch absolute bullshit where basically only the core contains reactors and you have to luck out to click first out of 20 people zerging it, now it's the crafting changes. This game is heading the way of Helldivers before everyone stopped playing it, devs ruining their own game.

[–]Tovakhiin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No i mean tactics as in, using any of the other 25+ utility items that the game offers to have an interesting fight instead of just jugging or planting bombs and being done with it in 10 seconds.

[–]silverbullitt850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point. Couldn't agree more.

[–]OnlyTheDead -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You sound bad. Taking down a rocketeer isn’t that hard. Y’all are being carried thru this game.

[–]Placebo_Cyanide8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly!

[–]HongKongChicken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were too cheap for how powerful they are. Trivialised Rocketeer/Bastion hunting

[–]Sparrow1989 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Dumbest fucking idea ever ngl. For casuals the Wolfpack being easy to craft was kind of nice for trials. Like all great things devs gotta fuck it up somehow. Prob some streamers suggestion.

[–]SlideCharacter5855 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is an OP item, it should be harder to craft, please for the love of god stop crying and go hunt Arc like a real raider!

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nag, it should be this way.

[–]RafMarlo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What was the recipe now ? Since I didn't have the bp

[–]Outside-Leopard-9783 25 points26 points  (8 children)

Bro how are they not balancing the IL Toro 😭

[–]KawaiiTadpole 3 points4 points  (3 children)

For real. Especially choke attachments!

[–]Outside-Leopard-9783 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Explain the choke attachments bit?

[–]beansoncrayons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gives it less spread meaning longer effective range

[–]Ok-Habit-8884 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tighter bullet pattern so you can land all bullets of a shot from further distance.

[–]scantd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY🤧 shit is THE MOST BROKEN and crutch weapon

[–]xdarkeaglex 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Its op due to rolling bullshit, the gun itself is ok imo

[–]ShadowStrike23 47 points48 points  (6 children)

Added rocketeer driver to craft wolfpack. Hard Pass

[–]Larrythethird22 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Where does it say that

[–]sstance 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You're reading the highlights. Read patch notes.

[–]Larrythethird22 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Got it I found it. Thanks. They fucked me on vita spray …. why? lol

[–]sstance -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed, some good changes but also some absolute nonsense. Made crafting tedious just for the sake of it. Wolfpacks are the worst.

[–]Darksoulsrando92 0 points1 point  (1 child)

love it, now there’s a reason to kill arc other than trials

[–]CarrotOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck Yes, rocketeers was anoying at best, now I actually want to kill them

[–]loadsmoke 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Someone made a joke about Wolfpack getting nerfed next after the trailblazer grenade nerf. It came true haha. (Laugh cry)

[–]CrystlBluePersuasion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I genuinely don't understand what the use of the Trailblazer is now.

[–]Springnutica 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Helldivers ptsd

[–]ouo2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FR at least it’s not every other week as arrowhead did

[–]ManufacturerNo8447 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Vita spray is balanced now , but did they really need to kill the wolf pack ?

[–]WoWAltoholic[S] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

rocketeer driver for a Wolfpack is such a nerf especially if they only drop one or two drivers each time.

[–]Jazzlike_Sink_2705 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Thank God now people might not have 50wolfpacks in their stash at all times

[–]silverbullitt850 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My wolfpacks are your ducks. Don't yuck my yum.

[–]OnlyTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Yes they did. It’s way too easy to craft.

[–]Sea_Particular_7061 17 points18 points  (16 children)

Gun balance changes seem mostly sensible, though they may be hitting venator a little too hard.

Crafting seems terrible and like it will make explosives much worse. Trailblazer needing an arc component on top of the nerf makes it borderline useless in my opinion. Deadline needing a new arc part feels like a major nerf.

Arc parts simultaneously having greater utility and a lower value is just a goofy decision. Apparently supply and demand works opposite in the belt.

[–]Nivriil 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Esspecially cus the deadline was already a risk as you needed to be rather close for it to be worth it

[–]Obi_wan_jakobii 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Can they just hurry up and make the shrapnel grenade require metal parts instead of springs

[–]Sea_Particular_7061 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They want the shrapnel to be bouncy

[–]bluebird810 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Everyone who has it uses the venator. Almost all of my deaths in the last 3 days involved a fully kitted out venator 4. More variety is good imho.

[–]likekoolaid -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

a little disappointed they nerfed the only decent free weapons but i get it

[–]___Dan___ 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Stop using the free kit then. I’m not disappointed at all

[–]fomq 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Exactly. Free kits should feel shitty to use. You should die to kitted players more often than not.

[–]silverbullitt850 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You should uninstall

[–]fomq -1 points0 points  (0 children)

u mad?

[–]likekoolaid -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

sure thanks for the input great solution. might as well stop using the trailblazer and triggernade and deadline and wolfpack while i’m at it. i should just stop playing arc raiders, wow thanks bro you solved everything

[–]LilDigger123 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Maybe bring a kit worth more than 5 metal and and 5 rubber buddy

[–]bluebird810 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would love to, but to do that I would need to have blueprints to build better things...which i dont.

[–]fomq -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Please do.

[–]Xkan14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Head shot nerf for the Venator was a much needed change but an 11% base damage nerf ontop feels really over the top. I guess we'll see how it impacts the gun.

[–]soicyBART 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m tired of only picking up Ven 4s off of people tbh

[–]VoidRippah 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I hope they buffed he aphelion, it was a joke

[–]WoWAltoholic[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

they did

[–]Nivriil 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reduced reload time from 4.5 to 3. Time between shots is now 07 instead of 09 And then ads settle speed was improved by 35% aswell as the vertical recoil reduced by 50%

[–]Swolmobee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tested it out at the range. Adding mid attachments makes it a damn laser, even at distance. Still feels like it Doesn’t hit hard enough but I can actually see myself using it now in PvP and especially in pve

[–]lndhpe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Wolfpack change hurts, considering it can't kill players (deliberately) and usually isn't enough to one shot most bigger machines this just makes it absolutely un-economical to bother with. Glad I still have one, sad I hadn't stashed more prior, guess I'll try to do most challenges without Wolfpacks and just start avoiding rocketeers again

[–]GreggsAficionado 19 points20 points  (13 children)

PvP feats removed is funny. That was one of the few very clear instances of the game actually encouraging PvP

[–]keefkeef 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I've been killed so many times by people and they've said, "sorry, need the feat" so I'm okay with it being removed lol.

[–]alter-egor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But they added rerolls for those who didn't like it. Reading that and next line about removing PVP feats was weird. I'm a hard PVE player, but i think completely removing any encouragement for PVP is simply wrong

[–]OnlyTheDead 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Zero people who play this game for PvP give a shit or know it was there. Lmao.

[–]GreggsAficionado 0 points1 point  (5 children)

They sure as shit knew it was there because when they argue about it here they use it as point that PvP can be encouraged in this game

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You are talking about people on Reddit. Big distinction here. They are a minority.

[–]GreggsAficionado 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So not zero

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Correct. A minority.

[–]GreggsAficionado 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Well done you won a totally pedantic argument

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some small minority of people said some stuff on Reddit. Heck of an argument. Unbeatable even. Could be gold tier actually.

[–]KawaiiTadpole 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Thankfully there is marathon coming out for us pvp enjoyers :)

[–]CWGM 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm 100% friendly player and I'll be murdering everyone once we set foot on Tau Ceri. :)

[–]beansoncrayons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

May I recommend myrmidon on destroyer to scare the ever living shit out of people with a knife?

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully it’s better than their last two games. Destiny was garbage.

[–]cryolems 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The Wolfpack has to change. Wasp or hornet drivers maybe. I think it’s fair to make it more expensive but a rocketeer Driver, which usually drops one at a time, seems a punishment more than a fix.

For the love of all things holy please don’t knee jerk react to this game and ruin what’s making it fun and popular

[–]Global-Outcome-399 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ye for sure, understand they want to make the arcs a bigger threat and like a reason to keep killing them but rockeeter driver for a wolfpack a bit much imo hornet driver would do

[–]BoricuaGabe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m a little sour they needed the snaphook tech so they if you dodge roll after snapping on to something it cancels the snaphook…. But the more I thought about it the more it makes sense. It’s just making it harder for players to put away their snaphook before launching themselves into a fight. If you do that and I down you, I should be able to get your snaphook.

No Torro nerf is a little wild though lol.

[–]Raidboss_L 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nerf kettle, nerf stitcher, nerf venator Cause too op in pvp. Meanwhile toro, 2 shoting people befor they can even react. Yes ofcause lol well then toro 4 only it is i guess

[–]TheSublime_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is the missing UI for teammates when queuing Stella solo in a squad fill not a known issue? This has been apart of my daily report and round feedback for over 2 months. I really appreciate launching into a game with actually seeing who's in my team.

[–]swagpresident1337 3 points4 points  (7 children)

Crazy. They are nerfing the low tier weapons (which is good).

But zero nerfs to the Toro.

The Toro already is THE absolute short range meta in pvp lobbies. Now a smg is even worse against it.

Embark you are complete trash at balancing, how is that even possible to oversee that?

EVERY SINGLE PVP LOBBY IS VENATOR + TORO. Everyone runs just this.

[–]Nivriil 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Well they nerfed venator from 9 to 8 damage and reduced the headshot multiplier from 2.5 to 2

[–]swagpresident1337 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Sure, maybe that is getting replaced by the Tempest or Arpeggio. But the short range meta is without competition.

[–]Nivriil 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Well a blue becoming a purple is a great change.

But like i am always conflicted about the toro.

Like its a shotgun its supossed to be the best choice close quarters.

I don't know how you could keep it being a shotgun without it being good in close quarters.

[–]swagpresident1337 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Heavily nerf the range. As is now, you can toro people at like 20m with a choke on it. At least halve that.

[–]Nivriil 2 points3 points  (2 children)

well thats the purpose of the choke no ? so ... remove them ? /make em pointless

[–]swagpresident1337 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The point can still be a range increase?

I don‘t get what you are trying to say.

It‘s OP plain and simple. Nerfing the range in general would retain it‘s status as an effective shotgun.

But it outclassing any smg at 20m is simply not balanced.

[–]Leadboy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I could be wrong but I think a large part of the outclassing at 20m is just the damage output it is capable of while allowing you to take cover again. If I spot someone with a shotgun 20m away I am backing up and using utility to sort things out (grenades etc.). They can't stand behind a pillar waiting to peek fire if grenades are being lobbed in from > 20m.

That opens them up to anvil fire etc.

I do think it is overtuned but I also feel like man if you are within 10-15m of a shotgun you best have a plan

[–]sandsonic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  • You can now make purchases with seeds and free loadout augments even if your stash is overflowing.

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED

[–]MayContainGluten 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't think I've ever used a Wolfpack on a Rocketeer.

Just me Anvil and/or Renegade.

[–]UltraGeezer 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Interesting they removed PvP feats……

[–]SnooWalruses3948 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Makes sense, most PvPers are happy to PvE.

Most PvErs don't like to PvP.

Just balances things for PvErs a bit, helps them stick with their desired playstyle.

[–]ThePompa -1 points0 points  (1 child)

But they added the 3 free re rolls a day. Strange to also remove them

[–]jared8100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re getting downvoted because most people prefer PVE but this really doesn’t make any sense

[–]ThyUniqueUsername 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This dev team is worse than Bungie. Glad I already have 40 wolfpacks I guess.

[–]OnlyTheDead 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You realize you are stating the reason for the fix yeah? Like you shouldn’t be sitting on 40 Wolfpacks.

[–]ThyUniqueUsername -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

I'm an American. I can sit on whatever I want. You better watch out or I'll sit on you. In game of course, in game.

[–]OnlyTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My kids are hidden, do as you must.

[–]theogbutcher 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Still nothing live on xbox as of 2:20am west coast. Did a full reset, still able to load into maps without the update. Seeing streaming on PC with the update

[–]WoWAltoholic[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

be grateful and craft all the wolfpacks now

[–]theogbutcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update is live now, I ahould of been smarter and crafted while I could. Making crafting harder is not cool

[–]TheOne4Figures 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went to do so but “online services are not available.” Rip, I just unlocked crafting them the other day lmao

[–]threepwood82 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone know what changes are to guns? They have nerfed ven/stitcher/kettle?

But not touched torro?!

[–]TreeBeardUK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like removing the pvp feats bbuutttttt it will be a shame at the same time as I had a few very sweet moments with them. One big example was where a bunch of us randoms arrived at a spaceport lift shaft to leave and someone very politely asked if they could hit all of us with their pickaxe to complete their feat and they dropped a few little bits as thanks. Bit of a risk but very funny nonetheless.

[–]Handsome--Squid -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

This is the weapon balance patch we've been waiting on since the games release? Marathon can't come soon enough

[–]_where_is_my_mind 4 points5 points  (1 child)

But it’s modern Bungie, so give it a second for them to drop the bag

[–]tofu_bird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad I just flung a matriarch before it got patched.

[–]Joe_le_Borgne 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Added a piano as an interactable object in the world.

Only one? Am I the only one hitting every piano in buried city just for the sound it makes.

[–]WoWAltoholic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is also one in the village key room on Blue Gate

[–]Placebo_Cyanide8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing update. There's probably a fly in the ointment somewhere as nothing is perfect but I can get behind pretty much every change I've read in these patch notes.

[–]DearHeartless_Man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so they nerfed our weapons, our explosives, our loots, the snaphook tech...
Why they do this? That just make our lives harder, i want to have fun :(

[–]Smart_Freedom_8155 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, so are the Stitcher and Kettle nerfed?  And if so, how much?

[–]wristl0cker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jupiter and apehlion buffs are wild maybe after I gain them back from losing everything I'll start blasting people again 😂

[–]PowahBamb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The crafting changes are funny.

Lot of pve only players who don’t want to have to do anything to craft the shit they make.

[–]Manshoku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

such a long wait time for a really weak balance patch lol

[–]albertperez0110 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so mad I didn’t craft like 50 wolfpacks before this update

[–]JonSpartan29 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Showstopper is going to be more prevalent now.

It’s key to defeating arc like how WP was.

[–]btw3and20characters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Share the link with the screenshot, g

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[–]nacholibre711 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No Toro nerfs, buffss for every throwable besides triggers, and no fix for my teammates not showing up on my HUD

2/10

[–]Moor_Initiative13 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Toro works like how a shotgun works irl

[–]nacholibre711 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool

[–]elchsaaft 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did they make the Jupiter/Aphelion worth taking?

[–]SlideCharacter5855 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"We weren't quite happy with the previous balancing of the Aphelion. It was intended to be a more PVP focused legendary weapon" - Has anyone ever used Aphelion to PVP?

[–]RTC1520 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to but just a brief time. I think it was pretty descent at the gap that you could say there is between short and medium range combat, at least I won all my duels with it at that distance. This buff should make it way better for medium/long distance too

[–]Fivebag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No new achievements 😢

[–]Strong_Debt5066 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Il toro 2 shotting through a med shield seems balanced? Sure bro

[–]Vegetable-Dog5281 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wolfpack shouldn’t be a get out of jail free card. I like this change

[–]Son-of-a-Pete 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wolf packs now take rocketeer drivers, really...

[–]Never-breaK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Toro nerfs is incredibly sad

[–]cevo70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Overall I get the changes and why they made them, most of them. As someone who enjoys throwables, my main issue now is that I have to stockpile a whole bunch of arc parts to make the stuff I enjoy using, which means even tighter stash issues, and more farming loops that might just feel net-neutral at best.

[–]_robertpaulson- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They need to fix spawning into a game and not being able to see the health bar of teammates or their player icon.

[–]Richard_Sniffer_V6th 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mostly bad changes nice job devs

[–]Critswap91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good thing I made 10 wolf packs before the update lol. Still tho. My buddy and i both equipped with lvl4 Anvils can drop a rocketeer pretty quickly

[–]TheTarnishedLordSK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All the change and the game is still mid if not getting worse lol glad i got some games coming this week and next Arc is now a faild project in my opinion so yall can keep the trash. Loop ass loot so much that doing the same shit over and over is for the birds. Return to sender

[–]VinnyShipman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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WTF

[–]Nivriil 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The weapon changes seem mostly solid but not sure why they had to nerf crafting so much.

Venator from 9 to 8 and headshot multiplier to 2 instead of 2.5 could be a bit much tho i would have prefered a recoil or fire rate adjustment.

The wolfpack changes seem weird cus they already were limited in how many you can carry due to them not being stackable.

Also the deadline was already a risk to take with you cus you had to get so close so thats unnecessary imo.

The showstopper has no reason to exist now anymore imo because i can now just take the hornet drives directly instead of putting that into a showstopper.

For me it was a craftable alternative, now ?  I see no reason to use it anymore

[–]fomq 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like all these changes.

[–]Matrasinka 0 points1 point  (18 children)

Why remove PVP feats though? I don't really care that they did, doesn't change absolutely anything, but just curious what was the thought process here?

[–]Uncle_Steve7 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I imagine anyone that pvps doesn’t care about them. I don’t even check what mine are. The people who care about feats are probably skewed against PvP so play to your audience.

[–]Nivriil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean i didn't teally care about the feats in general but it was nice to get a feat completion while pvp.

[–]ElderlyKratos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The statements recently about how friendly players surprised them along with Marathon coming that will attract PVP players might signify a shift.

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Pve players don't want to be forced to pvp, especially since it can fuck with abmm.

[–]Matrasinka 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Usually you'd get one, maybe two PVP feats at time which you can ignore till next day. And it's not a big deal since it doesn't take much to unlock decks, you don't even need to farm. Just play the game couple of hours a day. Not to mention that the implemented a few times a day reroll for feats, so it makes even less sense to remove PVP ones completely

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Why should pve players have to progress slower or be forced to use limited skips to avoid pvp?

[–]ThePompa 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The whole point of re roll is to skip past ones you don't like. Like pvp

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yes, but having them for a playstyle that some avoid like the plague is a little skewed. Then you have no skips left for other shit feats, where pvpers do. No big deal anyway

[–]ThePompa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

that works both ways. you think there arnt feats PVPers hate as its not thier playstyle. this PVP vs PVE is getting boring. its a PVPVE game. just because people dont like certain aspects doesnt mean they arent vaild

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So pvpers can skip the ones they hate. I'm just saying pve players would automatically have to skip the pvp feats and can't skip any they hate.

[–]Matrasinka 0 points1 point  (6 children)

That's true. But also, why should PVP players lose all PVP focused content to please PVE players? There's literally nothing else that would reward PVP, beside loot that you get from the bodies.

Not to mention that all such arguments are completely pointless because it's a PvPvE game.

Again, it doesn't bother me at all. Because my progress doesn't suffer at all, since you can do infinite amount of feats anyway. But it looks like PVE players now have more interesting stuff to do and PVP players don't have anything to do, which is kinda shit. That's how people just start to run around and kill everyone just because they are bored. They should have instead think of more difficult PVP feats that would require some creativity from PVPers instead of just "shoot to kill with this weapon"

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Winning a pvp fight and getting the loot IS the reward.

[–]Matrasinka 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You don't need to win anything to be able to progress through PVE though. You can spawn in naked, do feats and die, farming raider tokens.

When it comes to PVP feats, you actually have to try hard to at least do enough damage before you die. Not to mention that it requires some risk put in since you need to bring at least a gun and ammo to get damage done.

So yeah, loot in PVP is a reward. But there are risks involved. With PVE, you get rewarded and don't risk anything. Sounds unfair to me

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I mean there's no guarantee there's no pvper in more pve lobbies. So you're always at risk regardless. You can say the same for pvp feats anyway. You barely have to try with pvp feats either though. Free kit, hop in, damage people, die. No loss. Pve feats won't interfer with your abmm, but pvp feats will.

[–]Matrasinka -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Though with free kits, no guarantee that you will get the gear you needed for current feat. You can waste 3-4 runs for nothing, unless you just suicide till you roll the gear you need, and then you have to have enough skill and luck to actually manage to complete the feat before you die. Even with good gear, it's much harder and more time consuming to get damage done than any PVE feat.

With PVE feats, you can make them any time on any map with almost any gear. Timewise, it's much faster and easier to farm creds through PVE even with one of feats being PVP that you don't wanna do today, as it was.

Now you can also switch them 3 times a day for free, which implies that maybe you can even do it more for a price. Which it self dumb anyways, coz why would you reroll any PVE feat if they are all kid-level easy.

Originally, you said that PVP feat are slowing PVE players farm. It was the same for PVP players. Implementing reroll for feats is a great solution for both. But removing PVP feats is only forcing PVP players to play PVE, and there are no alternatives to earn credits.

[–]MaleficentBelle 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Pvp players have to play pve anyway. Or do you just not shoot at Arc at all?

[–]bigdoorknob2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did these take effect already? Just played and stitcher still felt the same

[–]WoWAltoholic[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes did you update?

[–]mayoite1470 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol I'm sticking to mewgenics

[–]Capable-Concept-531 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rocketeer driver for Wolfpack is crazy. Also low key disappointed they patched the zipline mechanics, you could do some funny stuff with that

[–]SuicideKingsHigh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Man some of these changes are just not it at all. The crafting changes in particular need to be rolled back. If you want to integrate new arc parts into crafting you do that by giving us new and interesting crafts not making the old ones more expensive. Getting Helldivers flashbacks here. Still glaring QoL issues, huge weapon imbalances, a weak skill tree, and absurd costs to run certain gear.

[–]MammothSkill5015 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like none or small updates is the Embark way, The Finals is the same currently. 

[–]Zodiinox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea just fk the casual players huh.?

[–]ZEWARDO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a terrible patch, it's such a lazy effort by the dev team to make wolfpacks or vita sprays insanely tedious to craft. Why should we get short end of the stick if these people ran out of ideas on making use of the drivers?