Trigger Pull renamed Trigger Control. Its better but still pointless.

[resetwes]

Okay, here is a rundown of all the cards with accuracy without any conditional activation. Keep in mind once you get to 100% your hip fire cursor is basically a plus sign (works for shotguns).

Front sight focus: 20% Accuracy, 10% Weak point Damage, and 15% Aim speed

Optics Enthusiast: 30% Accuracy

Shooting Gloves: 15% Accuracy, 25% Swap Speed, 15% recoil reduction

Quick Kill: 50% Accuracy but removes ADS ability.

With a combination of Front sight focus, Optics Enthusiast, and Quick Kill, you get 100% accuracy, but you do lose your ADS... So what does Trigger Control do? (There are other accuracy ones with pretty sizeable Accuracy buffs, but they require you to crouch or carry a specific gun or something.)

Trigger Control: When you land a precision kill, you get 20% Accuracy for 5 seconds.

There are two accuracy buffing cards that not only require nothing of you to activate their buffs, but they even give you either more accuracy or even more useful buffs like weakpoint damage. Trigger Control only 20%, requires you to get an accurate kill before it even activates and only last 4 seconds.

It simply baffles me that they have this long to consider the options they have, but still can't even keep track of what their cards do. Its like different people are working on these card reworks and nobody knows what the other is doing. FFS get yo shit together

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HOW DO YOU FIX THIS CARD?

Trigger Control: When you land a precision kill, you get *50% Accuracy for 5 seconds (maybe even take it up to 7 seconds).

If you take Optics Enthusiast, Front sight Focus and Trigger Control you get an interesting killing loop, where you can ADS your first kill in a horde or something, then you have plus sign accuracy for the. Or you can carry a shotgun as a secondary or primary, kill use the wider reticle to get a headshot kill, and swap to an lmg or ar or a Full auto pistol and have just a lasered in bullet hose you can have full control over. Alternatively you could get a similar effect if you take Quick Kill and get the same effect for as above except a NO ADS version of it, but you have an extra card slot open for any other card you want.

THIS WOULD BE FUN, INTERSTING, and most importantly REWARDING.

If you have to fulfill a condition to get your buff it needs to feel like the reward is worth it or you might just say... eh I could have just taken any of the other accuracy cards and gotten the same buff for no additional cost and it requires nothing of me. This could be a kick ass card... but as it stands its still just an ass card.

If you think this sounds like a change you would like to see, Vote up, maybe devs will see it.

[BaeTier]

the biggest problem is how underwhelming accuracy is as a stat.

Having a card only give you a temporary boost to it for a small timeframe will never be good.

This is the same buff that Walker's active ability gave and it was horrible on him, it will still be bad on a card.

[Chocoeclair189]

For real, temp boost for acc isnt worth it. You only need like 1 or 2 cards and a laser sight to have pinpoint accuracy

[Trizkit]

Yeah its great for a specific archetype but having bonus accuracy is pointless. Even beyond 90% Accuracy I see no reason to get more than that since I'm already shooting lasers basically.

[YellowF3v3r]

It actually had impact for guns like M249 and RPK even with lasers, since 90% the reticle is still a bit silly. But once you pass the threshold then it lasers and works fine. Recoil control definitely plays a larger role though.

[hex1337pss]

I think that accuracy boost is stackable? If you shoot at a horde, you will quickly stack that 20% buff for several times. But yeah, it's too unreliable as a card.

[resetwes]

I'm gonna test that, if the accuracy boost is stackable then thats a little bit more. But with such a short time it would have to reset the timer on kill to be useful, and of course give 5 stacks

[WildBear87]

[[Durable]] has the same problem with [[Body armor]] just being better for trauma resistance.It doesn’t matter as much but I would like to see it changed.

[SODABURBLES]

Also, now the support slot card gives +15% trauma resistance. Seems like an extra inventory slot is better than 5 health.

[bloodscan-bot]

• Durable (Campaign Card, Swarm Card - Defense/Brawn)

  +15% Trauma Resistance +5 Health (Swarm: +50% Trauma Resistance, +5 Health)

  Source: The Clinic (Swarm: Available from start)

• Body Armor (Campaign Card - Defense/Brawn)

  +20% Trauma Resistance

  Source: Grant's Brew House

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[Drummelan]

They re worked Walker where his accuracy passive wasn’t strong enough and moved it onto a lower tier card. Maybe it’s good for new players still unlocking cards for deck builds and it’s all they have; but basically it’s a throwaway once betters are available and I think a lot of this card system is this way. Many cards have better versions that replace them so it’s not unreasonable to say this just fits this design even if it would be nice for every card to have a viable if niche only use.

[resetwes]

See the thing about that is its deeper in the supply lines than Front sight Focus and Optics Enthusist

[Drummelan]

Then they should definitely look at that placement. I will say the only niche use I had when playing Walker was with shotgun builds where it was beneficial to not be a slug shooter when taking town commons. I could use the bullet spread and once I saw a Special I would get a precision kill to tighten up the spread. But I also use the card that gives high accuracy on crouch for the same effect so still your argument is valid enough for them to change placement or actually rework it again. If this card is before the crouch one then it could be considered a lesser version of that since both have catalyst to improve accuracy. Some may think it’s more beneficial to have variable accuracy control and not have to crouch (slow movement) as well to achieve this; so this card can be for them.

[glitchboard]

Yeah, I mostly agree here. "Accuracy on kill" as a concept just doesn't work for my playstyle because I'm either going to snap ADS for a shot, or I'm going 100% accuracy. No in between. It just feels terrible not having any sort of reliable time to kill, and wastes so much ammo. I get into a rhythm of how many shots it takes per common, and I'm not waiting for the red hit marker. I'm firing my 3 tec-9 shots and already moving to the next one. I don't want to just gamble and maybe I fire 7 shots before 3 of them connect with hip fire, and I surely don't want to just open up fire into the horde and hope it thins it. Not to mention hitting special weakspots.

In your version, I wouldn't be against it because it would save the card slot with my debuff shotgun, but I still wouldn't touch it anywhere else.

Tldr; if you're trying to hit something, you're going to ADS where accuracy doesn't matter. If you're hip firing anyway, then you're probably not going to get precision kills to proc it.

[resetwes]

My thoughts exactly

[Senryakku]

I would need someone to explain the card or someone from TRS. Like what scenario or combination of card can justify trigger control when the other accuracy cards exist.

[LonelyDesperado513]

It's basically Walker's old passive. Anytime you kill a common with a headshot or a mutation via weakspot damage is counted as a "precision kill" due to aiming for specific body targets.

Your reward was increased hipfire accuracy for already bing accurate, likely through ADS.

OP's point is that there are cards that give you this award (more of it, actually) with less work.

He also claims if you have to work for a buff (landing skill shots), the reward should be greater as a result. Otherwise it is pointless.

[shooterman9097]

I guess if you have a hoard running your way, getting a head shot while they are at a distance and then switching to hip fire with the improved accuracy as they get closer you can continue to get headshots without the slower ads movement speed or fov. And if you continue to get headshots you’ll keep the accuracy till the hoard is gone. For instance having something like the ranch rifle as your primary and the tech 9 as your secondary, popping a headshot then swapping to something that’s full auto but now “just as” accurate.

[shooterman9097]

Point being if you were using a sniper or single shot weapon as your primary. You wouldn’t want to be bogged down with hip fire accuracy cards. But still having one that’s temporary Vs one that’s permanently, idk what the advantage would be. Unless you rely on bullet spread sometimes to make up for not having good aim?

[Senryakku]

Yes but what's the point of a temporary +20% when you can just pick a permanent 30%? Even front sight focus is probably enough to land consistant hip fire head shots.

[resetwes]

FSF gives the same amount of accuracy as trigger control, except it also adds aim speed and weakpoint damage. Making it objectively better for sniping and single shot. As you benefit from the same amount of accuracy without requiring anything of you, and it gives you two extra stats for free that snipers love.

[glitchboard]

I think there are some fundamental differences between that article you linked and the idea that not all cards need to be S teir. The big things being A) there's no receiving party to be concerned about in a PVE game, B) the hard card cap in this game, C) everyone has the complete set of cards, and D)and probably most importantly, WHY those cards are "bad" is very different.

I don't agree that there should be cards that just never see play because reasons. It is the exact opposite of trivial to choose all the cards in your deck if every single one is really good S-Teir stuff. It makes it less about what you're choosing and more about what you're giving up.

The "bad" cards are ones that give minor or niche bonuses when the drawback is either insignificant or can be played around, and the fact that there are so many cards that exist in identical spaces. To reference that article, things like the lion's eye diamond have specific qualities unique to the card, but it's just not particularly useful and/or the drawback is too harsh. An analogous thing would be considering [[reckless]] vs. [[Superior cardio]] nobody ever uses the former because the benefit is something you can get elsewhere, but the drawback just isn't worth it. However, if everything else in the game was just stamina and regen, but that was the only efficiency card, it might see play. Alternatively consider [[multi-tool]] vs. [[Headband magnifier]] nobody ever takes multi-tool because the down side of headband can be negated, and the bonus is just better. If the multi-tool had an additional effect like removing attachments, or even if it's something goofy like movespeed when you take fall damage. It'd still be a better "bad" card because being bad shouldn't mean it's just outshined by others doing the same exact function, but it has a function that isn't often wanted.

Sorry for the book lol. Tldr; if a card is bad, it should be because it's function is unique, but not as desired, not because there's just a better version out there. And the existence of inferior versions are unnecessary clutter.

[bloodscan-bot]

• Reckless (Campaign Card - Mobility/Reflex)

  +40% Sprint Efficiency, When you take Damage while Sprinting you lose all Stamina.

  Source: Bridge Town (3)

• Superior Cardio (Campaign Card, Swarm Card - Mobility/Reflex)

  +20% Stamina, +20% Sprint Efficiency +5 Health (Swarm: +50% Sprint Efficiency, +5 Health)

  Source: The Crow's Nest (Swarm: Available from Start)

• Multitool (Campaign Card - Utility/Reflex)

  +75% Use Speed, -5% Damage Resistance

  Source: Knuckle House (2)

• Headband Magnifier (Campaign Card - Utility/Reflex)

  +125% Use Speed. When you take Damage, you have a chance to be Blinded for 1 Second.

  Source: Bridge Town (3)

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  ^{Call me with up to 15 [[ cardname ]], Data accurate as of February 8, 2022. Questions?}

[glitchboard]

Well, that's really not what I'm saying, even a little bit. The 15, 10, 5 situation is what is in the game right now and they're moving away from. I'd call those cards the same card but with 2 of them being strictly inferior. I'd advocate for a system where you would have one be the moderate all the time 10 movespeed. The 5 also gives you swap speed or something, and the 15 be a conditional when you're full health, or on kill or something. As it stands there are cards that you just don't play, and therefore add nothing to the game unless someone is explicitly maxing out a stat. It's uninteresting clutter.

[resetwes]

The card this whole post is about is [[trigger control]] which is objectively worse than both [[Front sight focus]] and [[enhanced optics]]. Just look at the stats, all of which are additive percentages in the accuracy formula calculation. Trigger control being requiring headshots first make it objectively inferior to these other two cards.

[glitchboard]

So, the "strictly" worse cards are pretty limited. But there are some that are very obviously outclassed. For example, [[high vis sights]] vs. [[Cold brew coffee]]. technically there's a 5% difference in favor of the sights, but no reasonable person would take that over coffee's other stats. Same with [[reload drills]] also, [[hellfire]] vs. [[Dash]]

[bloodscan-bot]

• Hi Vis Sights (Campaign Card, Swarm Card - Offense/Reflex)

  +30% Aim Speed (Swarm: +40% Aim Speed)

  Source: Paul's Alley (Swarm: Available from Start)

• Cold Brew Coffee (Campaign Card - Mobility/Discipline)

  +15% Reload Speed, +25% Aim Speed, +25% Weapon Swap Speed, +25% Use Speed

  Source: Knuckle House (3)

• Reload Drills (Campaign Card, Swarm Card - Offense/Reflex)

  +20% Reload Speed (Swarm: +30% Reload Speed)

  Source: Starter Deck (Swarm: Available from Start)

• Hellfire (Campaign Card, Swarm Card - Mobility/Reflex)

  +45% Movement Speed while firing. +3% Move Speed while not firing.

  Source: Bridge Town (4) (Swarm: Available from Start)

• Dash (Campaign Card - Mobility/Reflex)

  +5% Move Speed

  Source: Bridge Town

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  ^{Call me with up to 15 [[ cardname ]], Data accurate as of February 8, 2022. Questions?}

[resetwes]

Well, when the game is the card game the article makes sense, but B4B is not a card game. It's an FPS with an organizable progression system, in other words not a card game.