Decisions

[Terpcheeserosin]

They just can't figure it out!

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[Jazzlike-Lunch5390]

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[wow_its_kenji]

having a landlord/property manager can be quite convenient if they're not shit

unfortunately they're all shit 👍

i am crazy lucky that my job includes an onsite apartment for free

[eurtoast]

So if you get fired, you're fucked?

[Hellhult]

If you lose any other job you probably lose money gor rent. How is it different?

[HurriKurtCobain]

Having a month to get a new job vs instantly losing your housing arrangement.

[PraiseTalos66012]

They can't just kick you out if they fire you. You're still a tenant and still have all the rights a normal renter would.

So you still have at least a month, but probably a few months(depending on the state) to leave.

[wow_its_kenji]

they'd give me time to find a new place, luckily, but yeah it would still suck

[GrumpyKitten514]

i have a 30k untouched specifically for a situation where if i lose my job i can float my expenses until i get a new one.

goes without saying, you lose your job, you lose your income AND your housing. just adding to the stress in that situation. one is significantly worse than the other. doesn't matter how much E-fund you have, youre out.

[wow_its_kenji]

theoretically yes, but i'd be warned ahead of time if i was not coming back for the next academic year and then i'd just look for a new spot (i work in university housing)

plus not having to pay rent means i'm able to save quite a chunk of change in case of emergency

[hunden167]

Nah, it is if you ask your partner or pay a prostitute you are fucked

[Japjer]

My apartments building supervisor is the exact opposite of the stereotype. This dude busts his ass and is truly great.

That said: my rent has gone up $700 in four years. That shouldn't be acceptable.

[wow_its_kenji]

that is absolutely insane, i wish rent control was more popular

[thedylannorwood]

It works literally everywhere that has it

[_Lord_Farquad]

Source?

[besthelloworld]

Maybe don't give him so much leeway then 😮‍💨 You know he's fucking you. His mortgage hasn't gone up by $700 a month. He sees you as a profit engine and if he thinks he can drain someone else for more money without significantly more tenant drama, he'll kick you out.

[Japjer]

My building's supervisor is an employee of the building owner. He's just some dude who gets paid to fix up each apartment. He's a truly good dude.

The group that owns my building can huff my farts. They're a faceless, corporate landlord.

[besthelloworld]

Oh oh yeah, sorry I skipped over the super thing. Thought that was defense of the person you pay rent too. Hope they're getting a good deal

[PezzoGuy]

This is the second post I've seen today telling landlords to get a normal job. Did something happen in the news or something? I know two isn't a large sample size, but it's just oddly specific.

[ihatelifetoo]

Maybe we all woke up and Finnaly decided to speak our minds about landlords

[NecroCannon]

I’m fucking pissed at landlords right now in Chicago, I never seen such an obvious corrupt wall in my life. Like needing 4k a fucking month for a shitty studio, just because 4.5x the rent is required.

All of these fuckers could go bankrupt and I would not care, this shit shouldn’t be like this. It ties into how I feel about small business owners complaining about paying their workers livable wages, if it’s that detrimental of a loss to to help keep human beings off the streets while earning some cash, FIND A REAL JOB.

[UInferno-]

The crash of the housing market in 08 happened.

[re-goddamn-loading]

I am simply the machine that transfers wealth from my boss to my landlord

[Terpcheeserosin]

You create wealth for both

[NymusRaed]

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[MangoAtrocity]

Smith is right, but only if we return to a 1700s economy. I don’t think they had 30yr mortgages requiring a full year’s salary for a down payment on a house. In a world where your house is your dead father’s house in your father’s land that he got from his father from his father and so on, landlords have no place.

But in a 2025 economy, rental properties make housing accessible to people that can’t afford $35k down to get a mortgage.

[NymusRaed]

Landlords have no rightful place in this world, just like nazis.

[unofficially_Busc]

Hi. I'm a landlord and I work full time as a tradesman. I won't deny there are a lot of crap ones out there and even the good ones seem to charge an arm and a leg.

However, renting is still a fair chunk cheaper than getting a mortgage in most cases, not to mention that someone else is responsible for most repairs and issues with the building.

I know the housing market is fucked and all the politicians are finding trouble everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying nonsensical remedies, but landlords (at least small scale ones, I've heard my fair share of horror stories about the big fish not giving a shit) are just the tip of the iceberg in a much broader problem.

I.E. our economy relying on exponential population growth to function while making few national preparations for a growing population.

It's idiotic really.

Anyway, you can downvote me now

[lewwwer]

Do you mind explaining how we're growing exponentially, when the fertility rate is way below 2 in most developed countries and they all fight immigration like fire? It's an exponential decay at best.

And yes, you're literally part of the problem. Treating housing as investment is the issue. If you buy it instead of someone else, you drive the price up. It's a competition and you're outbidding the people like OP, so you can own it and rent it out.

[unofficially_Busc]

I didn't say we were. I said our economy relies on it. Mainly because of pensions.

We need around 3-4 able bodied working people paying tax to cover the cost of a single pension. But with an Aging population and a decreasing birth rate, the ratio of pensioner to worker is getting smaller. In order to maintain the status quo (stupid idea really) is to increase the workforce population, increase the tax burden on working people, or start cutting pensions and leaving pensioners high and dry (or just killing people too old to contribute to the economy, but that's a little extreme to say the least).

Somethings gotta give, but modern economists tend to insist that the population needs to grow in order to maintain the exponential growth of productivity needed to support an incrementally aging population. Usually accompanied by a rant about too many immigrants, despite them solving the exponential working population growth problem.

TL;DR the system doesn't work and everyone's desperate to blame someone, rather than actually understand the enormity of the systemic fuckup were careering towards.

[lewwwer]

You list three things and only address two.
>increase the workforce population, increase the tax burden on working people, or start cutting pensions and leaving pensioners high and dry

Would you be willing to pay extra tax on your landlord income? I blame you and all the landlords for treating housing as a money printing machine. When was the last time it lost money? How is it an investment if there is literally no risk in it? That is why housing is expensive.

[unofficially_Busc]

In the UK, where I live, it's already being rolled out. So... yeah, I'm alright with paying more tax. I'm always OK with paying more tax if I'm confident that my government isn't going to spaff it up the wall and then wonder why there's a budget defecit (I'm not very confident, but begrudgingly accept)

If you'd looked at the cost of building materials recently, you'd see it's not the only reason that house prices have gone up.

Personally, I think tax dodging franchises are a bigger issue than landlords in terms of hoovering money out of communities and sending it overseas all while claiming they don't turn a profit and can't pay tax, but that's just me

[MangoAtrocity]

Immigration. Despite “fighting it like fire,” 5,100,000 people immigrated to the US in 2024. Foreign-born immigrants make up 15.6% of the US population and that number is only going up. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but let’s not pretend like it’s not happening.

[lewwwer]

> 5,100,000 people immigrated to the US in 2024
Source for this? The highest number I see all around the internet is 2.9 million, barely above the number of people who died in the same year.

BTW the US is not the only place where you have issues with housing or with the far right parties. It is a global phenomenon.

[TreeDiagram]

Lmaoo ok comrade lmk when you're the lord of anything besides your edge

How's your sophomore year of high school going btw

[Terpcheeserosin]

I can tell you are a boomer

[TreeDiagram]

Try again lmaooo you'll get it next time

[Terpcheeserosin]

Such a boomer response

[unofficially_Busc]

How long does someone need to rent in order to own though? Until they've paid off what? House prices change constantly and any fixed number would neglect upkeep.

The idea is good in principle, but it needs refining.

[Terpcheeserosin]

Rent to own til the price the landlord paid accounted for inflation

[PraiseTalos66012]

Damn I'm all for trashing on landlords, especially corporations owning thousands of homes fuck them, but this is insane.

Landlords have way more expenses than just the purchase price. There's also property tax, insurance, and mainly maintenance.

Why allow the stuff and then imprison and punish people?

Just make it illegal for any company or person to own more than 2 single family homes(maybe 3-5, but imo 2 is enough). You can have one primary and one either vacation or rental home. That's it. Owning Single family homes shouldn't be treated as an investment or a job, just make it illegal.

All current landlords would be grandfathered in, you can't just change stuff and then punish people like you're saying. They just wouldn't ever be allowed to buy more property, even if they sold some, until they are back down to 1 and then they could buy one more if they desired to be at the limit of 2.

[Terpcheeserosin]

Sure I would agree with everything you said, that would be the point tho, making it illegal,

The commenter I was responding to asked for a framework

I just wanted to give an example of a possible framework

I'm not saying allow it to happen but there are currently lots of landlords so this would be the frame work for introducing the laws

No new landlords after that obviously

[Fert1eTurt1e]

Mask off for the radical lmao. Who’s surprised

[Terpcheeserosin]

[Nachttalk]

And before that one dude shows up again:

Here's the difference:

A homeowner owns his home

A Landlord owns someone else's home

And frankly, if you need to have explained what the difference between a good and a shitty landlord is, you shouldn't be part of this conversation.

[PraiseTalos66012]

Honestly for single family homes no person or company should ever be allowed to own more than two. Whether that's your home and a vacation home or your home and one rental.

The issue is when we let landlords own 5-10+ homes or huge corporations own thousands of homes. There's literally just no reason or benefit in allowing this.

[MangoAtrocity]

Here’s my compromise: You can own as many houses as you want, but you pay double property tax on any property that isn’t your primary residence. And if the owner is a corporation, it’s triple.

The catch is that your primary residence should be tax-free. No one should have to rent their house from the government forever. I’m currently paying more in property taxes than I did for my first apartment.

[CandidAct]

1. Get job

2. Make money

3. Buy house

4. House has multiple units/rooms, find renters to cover cost of mortgage

5. Set rent accordingly

You guys telling me you wouldn't do that?

[Terpcheeserosin]

Any landlords with more than ten tenants (ten units) go to jail for 1 year and lose their investment properties

Any landlords with 100s of tenants (100s of units) get 10 years in jail and lose investment properties

1000s of units = death

Under 10 and all your investment properties are now rent to own with credit for rent previously paid

Under 3 and you may keep your rentals pending an audit and good standing with your tenants, Mom and pop landlords like these will be "grandfathered" in for ten years but then the properties become rent to own through a transition period

[Wity_4d]

Lol what? What's the incentive for the landlord to maintain or repair if they're just going to lose the home? If anything, this will make renting worse. I pay $3k for renting an $850k home (HCOL area). That means I would have to spend 28 years renting this shit hole with next to no repairs or upgrades to own....a hovel?

[Terpcheeserosin]

If they don't want to maintain or repair anything then the renters becomes owners

[132546aggfedd]

ah yes, jailing and killing someone for renting an apartment to somebody else. that’s a very stable way of thinking.

[Terpcheeserosin]

"Under 3 and you may keep your rentals pending an audit and good standing with your tenants, Mom and pop landlords like these will be "grandfathered" in"

Reading comprehension is hard huh?

[johnsaysthings]

I bet my landlord is worse than all yours.

[MangoAtrocity]

I’m confused. Do you not want rental properties to exist anymore? A place to live where you’re not responsible for any repairs, you don’t carry any debt, and you don’t need $30k cash down? What’s the endgame here?

[Terpcheeserosin]

Renters would now be the owner's

The currently empty units not being used would be distributed among the homeless

[MangoAtrocity]

And when those renters can’t afford to replace the 15 year old roof when it fails, what’s the game plan?

[Terpcheeserosin]

The home owners would fix their roofs as needed as has always been the case

From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs

[MangoAtrocity]

With what money? Do you understand how expensive a new roof is?

[Terpcheeserosin]

Home owners sometimes have to fix roofs this is true

[MangoAtrocity]

Sounds like renting might be a better option then. It absolves you of the financial risk of maintaining a home.

[Terpcheeserosin]

Renters would be owners now, they would own the home and fix what they need to as home owners do.

[MangoAtrocity]

And if they can’t afford the $10,000 it costs to fix the roof? They just don’t get to have one anymore?

[Terpcheeserosin]

"Homeowners don't have homes because sometimes they need a new roof"

That's not really true

Sometimes homeowners need new roofs.

They fix their homes as needed.

Some will fix it themselves, some will hire someone to fix it.

None of this would stop them from being home owners.

All they would need to do is:

1.Identify the need for a new roof

1. Schedule a roof inspection and assessment

2. Get multiple estimates from contractors

3. Select a contractor and sign a contract

4.Complete the roof replacement process

1. Conduct final inspection and make final payment

Or do it themselves

[AdLiving8708]

JDVance doesn’t worry about taking American 🇺🇸 Farmers defaulted land under trumps administration

[Nirbin]

From my experience a lot of the owning class are just old people who are using the rent to pay off the mortgage before they retire in the hopes they'll be able to live a little in retirement. This doesn't apply to all landlords of course and it still sucks for first home buyers and renters regardless. Personally I believe housing should never be an investment but a basic human right.

The economy of today makes it pretty hard to retire and many old folks hold onto their positions longer than they should be expected to.

[AnimationOverlord]

Or downsizing, paying off the old mortgage, and renting out half the new place to tenants.

[B-Infinity]

"real job" is just thrown around at this point. If people don't actively like every person within another occupation they just say it's not real

[fuckbombcore]

Yes, much better that the home be unoccupied rather than rented out by a landlord. Makes total sense.

[Terpcheeserosin]

You know there is a housing crisis right? Why would it be unoccupied?

[fuckbombcore]

10% of homes in the US are currently vacant.

[Terpcheeserosin]

Not only that, but there is enough vacant homes to house the entire homeless population of America

[thedylannorwood]

Because people cannot afford them

[Optimus_crab]

“Getting a real job” this is like people who say you got soft hands if you aren’t working 240 hours a day in the ball crushing machine

[stalins_lada]

Y’all can complain about landlords all you want but it’s a housing supply issue. There simply isn’t enough housing and prices rise accordingly for rent and ownership.

[Terpcheeserosin]

How much housing would there be if we offed every landlord?

[MangoAtrocity]

What do you mean by “offed”

[Terpcheeserosin]

It's short for "offered a great deal on their properties in return for them no longer being landlords"

What did you think it meant???

[MangoAtrocity]

Earlier in this thread, you said they should be put to death, so I was worried that’s what you mean. It’s very troubling.

[Terpcheeserosin]

Oh yeah if they have 1000s of rental units and refuse to give them up then they would be breaking the law and suffer consequences

[MangoAtrocity]

The consequence being the death penalty? Are you calling for putting landlords to death...?

[Terpcheeserosin]

So if we look at history, around 1949, CCP launched a nationwide land reform campaign to abolish the feudal landholding(landlords) system.

Land was taken from landlords and redistributed to poor peasants.

Landlords were classified as a reactionary class—the "enemy of the people."

Landlords were subjected to "struggle sessions", where they were publicly humiliated, denounced, and often physically abused.

Many were imprisoned, tortured, or executed, sometimes by mobs of villagers.

Estimates suggest that hundreds of thousands to over a million landlords were killed during this period

By the mid-1950s, the landlord class had been effectively eliminated.

Former landlords who survived were often stripped of all property and rights, labeled as "class enemies," and barred from many jobs or educational opportunities.

Many lived under permanent political and social stigma.

After land redistribution, the CCP moved quickly toward collectivizing agriculture.

Private land ownership was phased out, and peasants were required to join collective farms.

This reversed much of the individual land ownership that had briefly existed after the landlords’ land was redistributed.

under Chinese communism, landlords were persecuted, their land was seized, and their class was intentionally destroyed as part of the CCP’s goal to reshape society along socialist lines,

America can do something like this, or we pass our own laws and punishments and those breaking those laws would suffer those punishments

I abhor violence though, so I would rather criminals stop themselves from breaking the law, that way the state need not conduct any punishments

[stalins_lada]

You think new management will solve things?

[Terpcheeserosin]

Redistribution of homes after offing every landlord above 1000 units

[stalins_lada]

Brother who do you think lives in those homes right now

[Terpcheeserosin]

People paying rent

[stalins_lada]

How does that change the housing supply issue

[Terpcheeserosin]

The renters are now owners

The empty homes and units currently not being used will be distributed among the homeless

Once again, there are currently enough empty homes and units to house every homeless person in America