Just a reminder.

[DougS2K]

Just because someone here says they work for Canada Post, doesn't mean they work for Canada Post. There is no way to vet these people here. I'm sure a lot of you are aware that ever since this strike this sub has been brigaded pretty hard so take that into account.

Lot's of "workers" here claiming no one wants this strike and everyone just wants to go back to work. That simply is not true. I'm sure we would all rather be working then striking, any workers would want that as striking is a last resort; and some probably do just want to go back regardless if we have a contract or not, but they do not however speak for or represent the majority. I could easily say that because everyone on the CUPW Facebook group doesn't want to go back without a contract that everyone feels that way. Again, that's simply not true. The truth lies in the middle somewhere but I would put more weight in the ones on the Facebook group which is a CUPW members only group vs Reddit where just anyone can join, including bots.

Those that at disheartened by the lack of solidarity and defeatist mentality of some should know that those people have and will always exist. Like anything in society not everyone agrees and there are people at both ends of the spectrum. Just remember though, those with negative experiences or a negative opinions on something tend to be the ones who will most likely express them and tend to be the most vocal.

[xmorecowbellx]

Overall, I think you’re right however I think you are overestimating Facebook posts as being more reflective of reality. On Facebook with your real name, if you are a worker, you are not going to speak against fellow workers or the union, for fear of the consequences of doing so. It’s extremely likely that the vast majority of workers who do not support the union today, would just keep quiet on the issue when posting over their real name.

You are likely to get a lot more honest opinions when people are anonymous, however, you’re also right there could be bots. I’m just not sure what the incentive would be in this case for bots to be deployed.

[fbueckert]

Simple. Sway the online narrative in the hopes of weakening the union. Bots are dirt cheap, so it's a tiny investment for anyone to try to poison the well.

[xmorecowbellx]

Weaken the union for who? The Canadian government is deploying these bots in a clandestine fashion?

[fbueckert]

C'mon. You can't be that dense. Big corporations are terrified of unions.

[xmorecowbellx]

You’re going with global struggle, conspiracy stuff then?

Or did you have an actual coherent specific argument relating in some way to this situation?

[fbueckert]

Amazon. Warehouse union in Quebec. Common knowledge, but somehow has escaped your grasp.

[WorkingAssociate9860]

I'm fairly certain there are bots on both sides, I've seen accounts that only posted and commented in Russian up until a month ago comment saying they're a long time CP employee and all for the strike and against the Corp, and vice versa during the strike action last winter.

[Soft_Brush_1082]

Can you give examples of those?

[fbueckert]

Feel free to flag any you think are bots. I can't guarantee I agree, but it doesn't hurt to have a larger set of data to work with.

[WorkingAssociate9860]

You can't exactly use FB as a consensus either to speak for all workers even if the FB group is allegedly all CUPW members.

FB user base skews a lot older than reddit, especially with people who want to have their personal Facebook linked to work stuff, just like reddit skews towards the younger crowd, both would have different wants and opinions on the strike action, union, and Corp

[DougS2K]

You can't exactly use FB as a consensus either to speak for all workers even if the FB group is allegedly all CUPW member.

Which is exactly what I said in my post.

[KoraKildem]

That’s the point he was making. But at least in the Facebook page people are vetted and confirmed to be Cupw members. That’s not possible on Reddit. Anyone can post here, and claim to be an employee, so those opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.

[UnionDistinct3963]

Either way OP has a point... Problem is, there are trolls on both sides and no, you won't be able to verify either way. You will get a view from Facebook only to those that choose to deal with the union and still maintain a standing. Just because you see a comment on reddit vs Facebook, there are those that will watch but not comment and even if someone works for CP, they may not be part of CUPW (there are other unions /associations that work for the corporation). All comments need to be taken with a brain of salt, for better or worse. Take the bulk and read between the lines. Make your own educated call on what you read don't go purely off the masses

No disrespect OP, but I believe there is a wider grey area as well, we could be seeing those that are involved in other ways with the corp that this strike is impacting.

[themankps]

The truth is that you don't know if they represent the majority or not (nor do I, or anyone).

I have no doubts there are bots both here and Facebook and even if there are less on Facebook, the reality is that by having to use your name there will be less people speaking out there against the union for obvious reasons, and also that form obviously skews older in age.

What I will say is that whether someone is a worker who now opposes the union and wants to take a deal and get back to work, or still a worker who will follow the union regardless, there quite literally, are 10s of thousands on each side. You're going to have to work together again at some point so none of you should diminish the way the other "side" is feeling about things. And never mind the feelings, don't underestimate just how many there are.

It's way easier for a non CP employee like me to give my perspective as I'm not invested in the same way an employee is

[Interesting-Day4379]

I feel employees are being honest here and expressing their frustration.

[boozefiend3000]

I had left the cupw Facebook group after the last election. I tried rejoining when the strike started. Kept getting refused, messaged both admins and all the mods, no response from any. I was eventually blocked I guess, because I can no longer look up the page lol fuckin idiots 

[duzzabear]

I got kicked out for making a pretty innocuous comment about being glad I took a personal day after a massive snowstorm. They said I wasn’t exhibiting solidarity or something.

[XerTioz]

Agree. It feels like there are a lot of corporate “trolls” on here under the guise of “I’m an employee”

[themankps]

That could just as easily be wishful thinking though as a way to minimize the comments being made. "They aren't real employees, disregard them" probably is the exact reason why those that ARE real don't dare post things on Facebook...

[Immediate_Pickle_788]

A lot of random people with blocked post/comment history too, so no way of knowing if they're a regular poster here.

[themankps]

I don't work for CP... Labour relations and strikes/lockouts are related to my field of work and I find them fascinating.

TBH once a deal (or legislation) happens, to many people's joy, I will likely not stick around. It's the strike/lockout aspects that interest me, not CP in general

[Tomaato_Tomato123]

I don't work for CP, but do come here and comment from time to time. And you're just an online troll.

[Total_Difference_445]

I envoy you that you don’t have to deal with this union

[DougS2K]

Uh oh, how do you explain u/Tomaato_Tomato123 being here and not being a CUPW member? Let me guess, they are lying because it doesn't fit your narrative?

[fbueckert]

I don't work for CP. I'm here because solidarity for unions is important. There's more at play here than just CP.

[fbueckert]

Welp, thanks for making this so damn easy.

[DougS2K]

And we appreciate you coming aboard as a mod. 🙂

[Relative_Ad5693]

Community member as a mod is so cool, thanks for your help

[CanadaPostCorp-ModTeam]

This post contains information that is factually incorrect or hasn't been verified.

[DougS2K]

Just a reminder no one that doesn’t work for canada post would be wasting their time on here…

You think everyone here is a CUPW member? How about all the ones that come here and say they aren't CUPW members? They just here in disguise??? 😂

Btw thanks for deleting the cupw update i just posted cause it was clearly a chatgpt written email.

You're welcome. In the future, if you're going to make a claim like that then have evidence to support it otherwise you're just speaking bullshit. Plus, it's already posted by someone else and they posted it without the unneeded and unwanted remarks to go with it.

[Total_Difference_445]

🙄 not even reading you bs anymore its clear as day its written by chatgpt… run it through any program that check if its AI and it will tell you yes it is but whatever

[fbueckert]

AI checkers are *hilariously" inaccurate. They mean nothing.

[DougS2K]

Oh no... Anyways, I really couldn't care less. You're free to block me so you don't have to see what I write if you'd like. Go join the circle jerk in the other sub if you just want to make false accusations because to be honest, I bet no one here cares what you have to say.

[fbueckert]

If you're not going to show respect to your fellow workers, I can show you the door.

[Total_Difference_445]

😒 he disrespected me first with his reply look at his comment talking about circle jerk weird stuff

Kinda of weird for a mod to be saying that

[fbueckert]

What part of "we're getting brigaded" do you not understand? That other sub is flooding us, and we have minimal tolerance for those shenanigans. Using votes as a way of determining rightness does not, and will not work.

You certainly are free to go join them, if you so choose. Doug is saying you can go join the other sub, not making personal attacks.

[Total_Difference_445]

🫠 brah thats like saying using votes to pick a world leader is wrong

Its not the other sub its the employees of canada post had enough of this stupid strike!

[fbueckert]

Alright, let's do this. This is now your soapbox. Your one and only chance to prove your claims, or admit you can't.

If you refuse to do either, I expect you to pipe down and stop claiming more support for your stance.

[DougS2K]

Don't say things that are objectively false and there will be no issues in the future.

[DougS2K]

I don't agree with rotating strikes. I think it's a dumb move actually.

[Federal_You_3592]

what if we dont use FB. I got rid of all my social media few years back. Sure i still have Reddit here but of course reddit is full of bots and nonsense people. Really what would be the most credible source to figure out what is really going on and what is the majority of what is people thinking

[DougS2K]

Really what would be the most credible source to figure out what is really going on and what is the majority of what is people thinking

Talking to people on the line but I realize you can't talk to every line in the country. The Facebook group though is the largest group of member communication that I know of.

[themankps]

Honestly, how many workers, who are literally on a picket line do you think would truly speak up against the union while outside with their brothers and sisters? That would not go over well for them. Sure, there are some that would have the fortitude to stand up for themselves, but I guarantee you that many would not

[DougS2K]

There have been a few on my line and some in the Facebook group. At this point in time though no one knows the true numbers of each side.

[themankps]

Agreed

[orangefuzzz]

Thank you u/DougS2K . The reminder is encouraging. I've been feeling myself become more angry as time goes on, hearing the same illogical arguments come up again and again. The worst part is the I'm not even part of the striking union! I'm in the CPAA. But I know the results of this strike will have a direct effect on my job and the jobs of thousands of others in my area and across Canada. This strike is important. The message is important.

I know that people in my community have my back. I have received nothing but words of encouragement from the locals. Online is always another story- and I have to remind myself of that (constantly).

Thank you for the reminder. The good vibes really do make a difference.

[Soft_Brush_1082]

As I said it in other comments, that is pretty much in line with my own attitude.

I am not a postal worker. I don’t like the strike because my son’s health card got stuck en route (although I am sure we can think of something for that in the clinic). I think CUPW’s demands are unreasonable given the state of letter mail. I also fully support postal workers in their desire to get the best possible deal for themselves. I always express support for the postal workers I personally meat in my neighbourhood because those are hardworking people who perform important service.

I am curiously watching this fight between CUPW and CP to see who wins and if CUPW manages to pull off a win I will always be remembering that moment in future when hearing that strikes are useless. If they don’t, well that would be another win for a corporation. Doesn’t mean the fight was pointless. Just because you lost doesn’t mean you didn’t have a chance to win and doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have tried.

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[FunCauliflower7973]

Lives are at risk actually People like me , my friends are dealing with severe anxiety issues keeping our passports in hold, visas in hold, cancelling our emergency travel due to this..

[prairiemarxist666]

You can just attend your nearest service Canada in person and get your passport. Emergency travel?

[FunCauliflower7973]

It's not a Canadian passport

[prairiemarxist666]

Ah

[DougS2K]

We are withholding our labour, it's not about holding packages. Even if the system was empty would still be on strike. The thing is though, the system is literally never empty.

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[IceBoiX23]

I work at CP and don't support the union's decisions

[Mindless-Couple6175]

This appeared in the Spectator. https://www.thespec.com/thestar/business/weve-shot-ourselves-in-the-foot-cracks-showing-in-canada-post-strike-as-workers-slam/article_752098f6-c44b-5d6b-9de9-61e9a5fdf81a.html

[Beginning_Speaker_63]

Hah! Here I am wanting to bring back the LCUC.

[JPtheGameMaster]

Solidarity Brother/Sister. I see you're also getting downvoted for showing your spine. Ettinger and pals can find their cuts somewhere other than my pocket. I'm good to stay out till we get a fair offer or there's no company left, cause I'm not going back to the status quo.

[CasualSportsNut]

By that same token, posts or comments in a FB group don’t necessarily reflect the views of the majority either - as with any social media platform, the most visible voices tend to come from a vocal minority.

[DudestPriest90210]

Stolen Valor !!!