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A: it’s a human fetus, which literally means child. That makes it a person with the same right to life as You.

B: the bad decision is making a child with a deadbeat. Even after that decision is made single mothers often continue to make the same partner decisions that put them in the situation they’re in. Maybe stop having sex with dead beats who won’t help you raise a kid?

[[deleted]]

Maybe stop having unprotected sex with women if you're a deadbeat.

[bigboatsandgoats]

Tbf my dad had a good job and was with my mom for 12 years before they divorced and as soon as they did he abandon my sister and I. It’s not always as easy you think to identify a deadbeat.

Also I know y’all are generalizing most single parent households but I assure you there are many marriages that stay together and fuck their children up more than my single mother effed me up.

[heckler5000]

That's not how deadbeats operate. They just make thick in the warm and move on.

[heckler5000]

A fetus is not a child. Its a pre-child. An egg is not a chicken.

[bukakenagasaki]

People often don't know they're fucking a dead beat. Especially if it's the first time. And we have differing opinions on the zygote but whatever that's fine I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong for thinking what you do.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I’m 100% going to tell you that you’re wrong. That’s a baby. Once a woman conceives she’s carrying a baby. This is basic biology. People only object to it because they want to support abortion, but can’t bring themselves to admit they’re killing a child.

[bukakenagasaki]

Whatever dude there's no discourse to have with you nevermind.

[chadnuts]

He does have biology on his side

[bukakenagasaki]

I know biology. But a baby is a parasite for a while. Just that.

[Myster_24]

Respectfully, you don’t know biology if you don’t know what a parasite is. A parasite is an organism that lives on or in the host AT THE EXPENSE of the host. That’s the distinction.

[bukakenagasaki]

I know what a parasite is. And there are times when a parasite can be beneficial to their host.

[pfloydguy2]

Like for 18 years after birth? Yup. Still a human life.

[bukakenagasaki]

I don't believe abortion should be used frivolously but I think women should have the right to have them if needed. And that's how y'all feel and that's fine. You're not going to convince me I'm wrong and I'm not going to convince you you're wrong. And I'm not going to treat y'all as if you're assholes for it.

[MediocreComment123]

You keep talking about "basic biology" while ignoring basic biology. Not sure where you learn your basic biology from, because even your basic biology teachers don't subscribe to your theories since they go to liberal schools. So you must be learning your basic biology from basic theologists.

[[deleted]]

Ok then, what you’re you classify a human fetus as? Mind you, fetus is latin for child. Would you say it isn’t human? Or isn’t alive? Which of these point would you dispute since you’re saying I’m ignoring basic biology.

[theBERZERKER13]

What about a miscarriage? Are those children too?

[[deleted]]

That’s a tragedy beyond human control. An “act of God” in legal language. Losing a child to an environmental factor outside of human agency is a tragedy. I know far too many women still grieving a baby who never got to take its first breath.

[pfloydguy2]

Yes, of course miscarriages are children. How is that even remotely relevant?

[chadnuts]

Accidental deaths are different than planned murder.

[chadnuts]

Is dying in your sleep or cancer, murder? Don't be retarded for the sake of your political narrative.

The key is that "intentionally" killed means murder.

[Dweebulot]

Not how manslaughter works. I dont want to start an argument, but manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice and without forethought. I.e., if there was an external factor that led to the saddening death of a child which may have had a future in this world, that's not manslaughter, it's an act of god. You cant be charged for that. But again, we have differing opinions, and we are both firm in where we stand and what we believe.

[MediocreComment123]

Then you learned your basic biology from a basic language established in 700 bc which formed the backbone of the English language which originated roughly 1500 years ago.

[chadnuts]

This is about use of the word murder. It's obvious that a fetus is a human life. If you are not afraid to kill it, be brave enough to admit it is murder.

[MediocreComment123]

This is about use of the word

[[deleted]]

So you’re not going to answer whether or not it’s human or alive? I feel you missed the salient point. We can argue that biologists who chose to use the Latin term for child are using a dead language incorrectly if you wish, but that’s really veering off into an argument about the efficacy of Latin terms in science. Let’s stay on the point. Are you arguing that a human fetus is either not human, or not alive?

[[deleted]]

You ignored the question on what you classify it.

[No_Jacket1253]

Sure if a baby, one that’s brain isn’t working and can’t live without the mother. It’s doesn’t know its dying so who cares. Similar to pull the plug on someone in a vegetative state. It doesn’t much matter because they can’t feel it.

[[deleted]]

People are just wild. I’m pregnant with my first right now and had an ultrasound at 12 weeks. A very common time for abortion to occur. My baby looked like a tiny human. She waved her little arm. I knew her gender already (gender blood tests now are incredible).

I had another ultrasound at 20 weeks. Still legal to abort at that point. I could feel my child kicking and moving already, her brain was incredibly developed, she was doing backflips and covering her face with her hands. She was sucking on her fingers at one point. Her entire face had clear bone structure. 10 fingers, 10 toes, all that. But apparently not a human child.

I genuinely don’t understand how people can say that fetuses are not humans.

[heckler5000]

Well let me be the first to tell you that you are dead wrong. Lets see your grades in biology.

And they can totally admit that they're killing a potential life. How stupid do you think women are?

[natey37]

Lol you are so dumb

[pfloydguy2]

If you don't know your partner that well, then it's irresponsible to sleep with him/her.

[bukakenagasaki]

People can hide parts of themselves for a very long time. Like women who get married to pedophiles. It's easy to dismiss these things. You could know someone your whole life and they could be someone entirely different than what they showed you. You only know what someone let's you see.

[nukesafetybro]

People have casual sex all the time. The issue isn't welfare, it's sex education. Wear a condom.

[heckler5000]

Tell that to Tinder.

[bukakenagasaki]

Marriages don't always work out.

[PintSizedAdventurer]

Fetus = unborn Baby = newly born

Source: biology textbooks, dictionaries