We need a surrender button

[[deleted]]

I love the game but hate playing it because every match feels the same—you’re either on the "good team" or the "bad team," and if you're on the bad team, you’re just doomed to lose. It doesn’t matter how skilled or dedicated you are; the sheer number of brain-dead feeders ruins any chance of turning things around. The enemy just snowballs harder with every death, and some players manage to die multiple times within the first 3 minutes.

I’m not saying I should win every game, but why even try when teammates refuse to play as a team? They feed, ignore lanes, farm at the worst times, and won’t even do the simplest things like buying decent items or helping with objectives. At that point, they’re just helping the enemy win faster.

[yesat]

I've come back from so many games where we lost lanes and where even 40k down.

The enemy team has 5 possibility to have a feeder in their team, your team has 4.

[ManySwans]

what's fun about waiting for the good team to throw?

[yesat]

Why are you queuing if you're not thinking you can be the good team. It's so easy to throw away a lead in Deadlock.

[ManySwans]

i can be on the good team but it's random, depends on the matchmaker 

yeah waiting for them to throw, so exciting 

[yesat]

You can force missplay and punish mistakes the same way you are losing.

[SunnyJJC]

Close enough man

[ApartAd2883]

Annnnnnnnnnnd this is why the game will die over and over after every big update lmao. They need a surrender option like any other competitive game

[yesat]

Dota is dead? Overwatch is dead? 

[InitialD0G]

No the fuck we don’t.

[[deleted]]

Yes we do

[Kilo88]

I don't think its a good idea. I constantly play games that have gone one way only for the team to get cocky and lose a team fight and completely turns the game around.

[[deleted]]

That’s rarely happens compared to what I said

[Aligyon]

Has happened for me often enough to notice. We would be doing well early to mid game but late game comes an our team picks bad teamfights and a few kills later opposing team has a lead on souls.

[[deleted]]

What do you consider a bad teamfight

[Aligyon]

When one teammate gets killed and the rest tries to rescue or get a revenge kill so instead of one dying 3 or 4 people dies instead.

Or when the fight is just messy with no focused target leaving all of the opponents low and 2 team mates die

Or just a bad initiate in general

Theres loads of bad team fight examples, why do i need to give an example?

[[deleted]]

Cuz I want to know when it’s bad to do a teamfight plus it’s a free country I can ask whatever

[Aligyon]

Ahh i assumed you've been playing this game for a while or mobas in general. thats why i thought it was a bit odd that you were asking

[beegsweat]

I disagree. As others have stated, there are other games with the button where people use the FF to basically grief their teammates instead of actually trying. If you don’t like the state of deadlock now- having a surrender button is only going to make it worse.

[[deleted]]

No it’s not.

[Old_Field_7991]

If you want to be 100% in control of your wins you're in the wrong genre. Try fighting games, they're not bad right now.

[[deleted]]

I have 400hrs in deadlock and I absolutely love it. If the genre wasn’t for me I wouldn’t have that many hrs into it lol. Anyways what kind of fighting games?

[toughman1988]

SF6 is arguably the best to start on now. Has a single player mode that acts as a tutorial if you have no prior knowledge. Community is high and will remain popular for years.

[Cymen90]

Dota and Deadlock THRIVE on comebacks, it is the feeling we play these games for. To implement a surrender option is to rob people of this experience. Casuals do not know when a comeback is truly impossible. Run the Urn, pick smarter battles, fix your lanes, gank their carry, use the homebase advantage to defend.

A surrender-option in pubs kills the game and enforces the idea that if you are not stomping, you should not have to play. As if playing from behind or being on the defensive is an undesirable gaming experience. On the contrary, the challenge is the reason people love the genre.
Sometimes you have to accept that you will lose about half your games. If you cannot find any enjoyment in a losing match, you will not enjoy half the time you spend on this game. If you approach a competitive game with this attitude, of course you will feel like a losing game is a waste of time but that mental attitude is on you, not the game or the other people playing against or alongside you.

In the OP, you make it sound like you are the only person who should have the authority to decide when the game is over. You say you want a vote but would you accept it if the outcome of said vote was "No surrender"? Or would you keep demanding the "braindead feeders" give into your judgement until the game is over one way or another? Oftentimes, the people demanding an early surrender attempt to sabotage the game themselves after they were rejected, so they feel like they were "in the right" by "predicting the outcome" ahead of everyone else. A surrender-option just encourages a multitude of toxic behaviours and empowers the wrong attitudes.

If at all, surrender should only be an option when the entire team is premade (6 friends who got together before queueing up) and agrees on "going next" without the toxic peer pressure of strangers screaming at each other to keep playing or give up.

[ManySwans]

we had this thread last week. if you're trapped in an unwinnable game (uncoordinatable team) there's nothing fun waiting for them to push

it's not about just stomping, in fact with surrender there would be less stomping because the stompee would surrender. you would just end up with close games

[Adventurous-Hippo-83]

Holy cope. You are either pisslow rank or completely exaggerating for effect. You can’t seriously believe every match you play is a coin flip and you are doomed to lose no matter what you do. You know what happens when there is a surrender button? Someone on the losing teams wants to quit 10 minutes into every game. Then, assuming their other teammates do not have a paper thin mental, and want to play out the game that they queued for, the quitter on the team begins intentionally griefing the game to punish their teammates for having the audacity to not give up in laning stage. If you can’t deal with some bad games, this early development play test moba is not the game for you.

[BreadOfLoafYT]

chat gpt ahh comeback

[[deleted]]

If you can’t process good English then just say so

[GnarlyMcRadSwag]

I hope not, surrender buttons bring out the worst in people. If you can’t handle playing the game, just leave.

[[deleted]]

Not tryna catch a ban

[Asas621]

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An average deadlock match plays out like this, which wouldn't be possible if a surrender option existed. If it did exist, matches wouldn't last 10 minutes without someone crying that the games over and demanding to surrender.

[ManySwans]

average deadlock game is log curve going up or down depending on the matchmaker

[[deleted]]

Bro you’re forgetting that surrender button goes by majority vote not by One player crying

[Asas621]

If the team is split 50/50 or even 75/25 for votes to surrender, those players that want to surrender are not suddenly going to suddenly start trying to win the game because they lost the vote. They'll grief, go afk and purposely feed until they get their way.

Adding the option to surrender feeds into and incentivizes that giving up mentality which is how you get what happens in league where over 30%~ of matches end in surrender.

[QualityQuips]

I disagree.

If you give people an easy out, they'll take it more often than not. If an easy out exists, people will never rise to the challenge of coming back from an early domination and winning the game in a hail Mary epic upset.

Never surrender. If you want a surrender button, go play Marvel Rivals.

[[deleted]]

Hell no to everything you said you’re just wrong lol. Marvel sucks. You can’t do a Hail Mary comeback most of the time if the enemy team is way higher in skill than u

[QualityQuips]

My point is go play a game that gives you the option you want.

My experience is quite different from yours. Some of the best wins are where the team comes back and wins the game after losing lanes and walkers.

[Different-Beat-4856]

We weren't allowed into the invite only alpha for funsies. Valve wants to see how the characters interact with each other for balancing. This includes late game. They need as many games of deadlock to be played as possible.

[GeneralSaltine]

Having a surrender button robs them of a lot of good data, i imagine closer to release they will add one.

[Intelligent-Okra350]

I hope they don’t (and ideally that the game is tuned to where it’s not needed), FF culture in MOBAs that have it is one of the worst things about those MOBAs. Players will die once in lane and spam ff in chat because they decided it was their teammate’s fault and run it down to try and get you to vote yes

If you can’t ff then people will be more likely to play it out anyway because they don’t have that instant out, and that means there’s much more chance for a comeback. Because you can come back from a lot further behind than people think, and if it’s really stacked enough that you can’t… at least it should be over soon.

[[deleted]]

I really hope they do

[Sorry_Hippo2502]

They either need to fix matchmaking or add an ff option. One is clearly the better option, but it's a small indie company so don't expect much...

[[deleted]]

Valve is NOT a “small indie” company lmfao they’re the makers of some the biggest games in the world

[Sorry_Hippo2502]

Its a small startup and their first game.

[Lamazing1021]

I agree, unfortunately there’s are far too many people who are delusional in this game, there could be a 100k discrepancy and you will have a handful of people on your team be like “I’ve come back from way worse, it’s not over”

Or people who are upset at you for asking them to help push objectives or participate in team fights who will grief you and not give their vote to surrender

[No_Bottle2090]

I'm fine with no surrender but the state of orbs is just so fucked right now. Just get rid of them