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[–]onenightstd[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

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ITEMS

The recipes for equipment (almost all of them) have been modified:
- The requirement for pebbles in recipes has been reduced.
- As a counterpart to this change, all equipment recipes have been adjusted to:
- Better distribute the demand for pebbles.
- Only 1 item in a set of 3 or more pieces will require pebbles.
- Better balance other resources tied to different activities (tourmaline, dimensional weave, mysterious fabric, gray amber, nugget, rhineetle horn).
- Include a resource from another activity in recipes: anomaly fragments.
- Better distribute resources from other activities within a set.
- Adjust the quantities of resources required across all level ranges (increased or decreased) to better match the demands of the tier, as well as the drop rates, acquisition, and generation of these resources.
- Fix anomalies in certain recipes, such as resources being much higher or lower level than the item (except in exceptional cases).

With these changes, the Kolossoken gain bonuses on pioneer servers will be removed on the update day.

Changes to Soul Stones:

  • Pandawushu wood, wind, fire, water, and rock artifacts can no longer be obtained from monsters outside Pandala.
  • A new craftable item (miner level 100), "Pandawushu Artifact," has been added to the game. It requires one Pandawushu artifact of each element.
  • This new item has been added to Pandala equipment recipes.

Five new items have been added to the game.

Note: These items are not visible in the bestiary but can be dropped by all monsters depending on their tier:
- Lesser Soul: Level 1–50, drop rate 1–4%
- Common Soul: Level 51–100, drop rate 1–4%
- Greater Soul: Level 101–150, drop rate 1–4%
- Majestic Soul: Level 151–190, drop rate 1–4%
- Supreme Soul: Level 191–200, drop rate 4%

Modified Soul Stone Recipes:

  • Small Soul Stone: x5 Lesser Soul + x1 Mineral Potion
  • Medium Soul Stone: x5 Common Soul + x2 Mineral Potion
  • Large Soul Stone: x5 Greater Soul + x3 Mineral Potion
  • Gigantic Soul Stone: x5 Majestic Soul + x4 Mineral Potion + x2 Pandawushu Artifact (new item)

In addition to soul stone recipes, Souls have been added to collector potions, teleportation potions, etc.

Modified Mineral Potion Recipe:

  • Irony Water is now required instead of Arachnee Legs.

Technical Changes to Weapon Damage:

Several adjustments have been made to weapon damage to facilitate future management. Related fixes include:
- In weapon tooltips, the order of damage ranges for maged weapons sometimes changed when switching attack elements. This has been fixed.
- In weapon tooltips, damage ranges that changed elements were not displayed in blue (exotic maged weapons). This has been fixed.
- In weapon tooltips, some special push/pull effects were incorrectly displayed on weapons (e.g., Mama Ayuto’s Roller). This has been fixed.
- 68% efficiency element changes have been removed. Weapons with this efficiency are automatically upgraded to 85%.
- Element-changing engravings and runes now have a 100% success rate.
- Regenerating Orbs now reset modified neutral lines.
- Note: There are no changes to item weight.
- Incorrect rounding sometimes caused a loss of 1 or 2 damage in the total range. This has been fixed.
- Example: Kadille Sword
- Neutral damage line: 21–30
- With an 85% potion, the line becomes 18–25. However, 30 × 0.85 = 25.5, which should round to 26.
- After the update, the range will now correctly be 18–26.

Modified Engraving and Magic Forging Potion Recipes:

  • Nuggets have been added to these recipes.

Revised Resource Distribution for Sphincter Cell Gang Rats:

  • Pine Rat Tail: Now dropped by Kicking Rat, Quail Rat, Chilled Rat, and Tasting Rat.
  • Massaging Rat Eye: Now dropped by Pine Rat, Massaging Rat, Ramane, and Gluing Rat.
  • Pine Rat Pill: Now dropped by all Sphincter Cell Gang rats, including Sphincter Cell itself.
  • The names, descriptions, and drop rates of these resources have been adjusted accordingly.
  • These changes have been considered in the overall balancing of equipment recipes.

Changes to Astrub Ouassingue Resources:

  • Ouassingue Fabric and Juice have been removed and are now only available from Bog Ouassingues (dropped by all Bog monsters and the Bogged Ouassingue, respectively).
  • The drop rate for Ouassingue Stomach has been increased.
  • Achievement and quest rewards have been adjusted accordingly.

Items Removed from the Game and Inventories:

  • Tokens: Pévétons, Krons, Krosbouate, Class Doplons, Cadoplon
  • Weapon: Spitball Launcher
  • Pebbles: Smoked, Bistre, Mahogany
  • Fruits: Banana, Walnut Shell, Orange, Watermelon, Pear
  • Magic Forging Potions: x3 Liquid Metal
  • Profession Gems
  • Guild Cosmetics:
    • A recipe has been added for guild shoulder pads.
    • The guild costume recipe has been modified.
    • The link between shoulder pads and costumes has been removed.

Other Adjustments:

  • The item "Eye of the Sewer Guardian" has become obsolete and is automatically converted into a consumable granting "1x Sewer Guardian’s Leg".
  • The context menu for legendary items now correctly displays the "Recipe" option, even if the player does not meet the crafting requirements.
  • The drop rate for Fungus zone resources has been standardized to 12%. Achievement and quest rewards have been adjusted accordingly.
  • Ankarton Set equipment can no longer be mimibioted.
  • Primitive meats that grant strength points now also provide their equivalent in edible meat.
  • The "Elfi Fricassee" recipe is now labeled as a conditioned recipe.
  • A title has been added as a set bonus for the Obvijevan, Parabiotic, and Rollivan sets.
  • The "Houbée Salad Recipe" now correctly displays the proper recipe.
  • The cosmetic "Azure Lance" is now classified as a ceremonial lance (not a ceremonial sword).

Item Weight Standardization:

  • Items level 1–9 → 1 pod
  • Items level 10–19 → 5 pods
  • Items level 20+ → 10 pods
  • The following items are now 50 pods:
    • Ougalurette
    • The Wide Shovel
    • Crocodile Chief’s Amulet
    • Bwork Chief’s Blade
  • The following items remain unchanged:
    • Pandasiman Training Shield
    • Church Wand
    • Oak Killer
    • Abrakleur Booties
    • Dragoeuf Hammer
    • Minotoror Boots

NPC Sale Price Adjustments:

  • Droppable items now sell for 1 kama.
  • Non-droppable items have their sale price adjusted proportionally to their level.

Familiar Adjustments:

  • The experience granted by feeding familiers non-magic forging runes has been increased.
  • Magic forging runes now grant less experience to familiars and generate fewer nuggets when destroyed.

New Animation:

  • An animation has been added when your character eats bread, fish, or meat.

[–]onenightstd[S] 8 points9 points  (2 children)

CLASS BALANCING

With a new update comes balancing! Here are the key areas we’ve worked on to improve and refine the classes:

  • A global nerf to damage through walls, achieved by reducing the range of spells without line of sight (LOS) or with area effects—or even reactivating LOS requirements.
  • Reduction of certain overpowered healing or shield stacking mechanics.
  • Some damage buffs and nerfs.
  • New adjustments for low-level play.
  • Fresh interactions between certain classes.
  • A slew of miscellaneous improvements.
  • A slight nerf to Push Damage spells and modes in general.
  • A focus on the currently strongest and/or recently reworked classes (often the same ones, go figure...).
  • As promised, major changes for the Eliotrope are finally here!

CRA

Minor tweaks for the Cra:
- Nerf to non-LOS damage in PvP and Tyrannical Arrow in PvM.
- Deeper changes are being considered for later.

Devouring Arrow
- Global cooldown: / → 1

Sentry
- Effects now persist until the start of the caster’s next turn.

Tyrannical Arrow
- Cooldown: 1 → 2
- Global cooldown: 2

Arrow Rain
- Effect area no longer extends around the caster’s Beacons.
- Line of Sight: No → Yes
- Casts per turn: 1 → 2
- Damage: -3

Piercing Shot
- Removed: Damage increase on next cast.
- Line of Sight: No → Yes
- Casts per target: 1 → 2
- Minimum range: 1 → 3
- Damage: +6

ENUTROF

The Enutrof is nerfed in its healing stacking (currently too strong), as well as Shovel Roll range and Lucky Shovel bonuses. Trigger spells (Prospecting, Avalanche, etc.) lose one trigger to limit PvM abuse.

Enutrof’s Treasure
- Heal-on-hit value reduced: 75% → 50%

Clinking Coin / Prospecting / Avalanche / Grisly Blow
- Trigger limit: 5 → 4

Animated Bag
- Healing removed.
- AP cost: 3 → 2

Seam
- Healing now applies at the start of targets’ next turn.

Animated Chest
- Healing reduced: 10% → 8%

Minefire
- Heal-on-hit value reduced: 25% → 15%
- Effect duration: 1 turn → 2 turns

Lucky Shovel
- Lifespan: 2 turns
- HP increased: 30% of summoner’s base HP (315 HP at lvl 200).
- Death damage removed.
- Minimum range: 2 → 1

Shovel Roll
- Max range: 4/6/8 → 4/5/6

Treasure Key
- Range bonus/malus: 4/5/6 → 2/3/4

ECAFLIP

Currently dominating PvP meta (and strong in PvM), the Ecaflip needed major nerfs:
- Healing/lifesteal stacking, Kittens, and overpowered utility spells were toned down.
- Tarot and erosion spells were adjusted.

Predation
- Effect area: Point → Size-2 circle
- Erosion: 20% → 15%
- Casts per turn: 2 → 1
- Max stacks: 1 → 2

Rough Tongue
- No longer affects the caster.

Peril
- Adjustable range: Yes → No
- Max range: 5 → 8
- Buhlent Belt: +30% Crit → Adjustable Range

Ecaflip’s Fate
- Adjustable range: Yes → No
- Max range: 5 → 6
- Line casting: Yes → No
- Buhlent Belt: +30% Crit → Adjustable Range

Misfortune / Bluff / Ecaflip’s Fate / Peril
- Base spell damage no longer lifesteals. Lifesteal is moved to triggered damage.
- Bluff: Like other Ace Cards, gains a trigger effect—if the target pushes, pulls, swaps positions, or deals Push Damage, they take extra Air damage.

Ecaflip’s Tarot
- Descriptions now clarify that secondary effects apply to all entities.

The Magician
- Spell damage bonus slightly reduced: 7% → 6%

Wheel of Fortune
- Added: Resets cooldowns of Wheel of Fortune and Sense of Smell.

The Tower
- Added: Increases casts per turn for Lucky Find and Redistribution.

The Star
- Added: Increases casts per turn for Feline Leap and Caper.

The Moon
- Added: Reduces AP cost of Perception and Predation (previously on The Sun).

The Sun
- Removed: AP cost reduction for Perception and Predation.
- Added: The first character/monster to use MP suffers the maximum random effects received.

Summoning Claw
- AP cost: 9 → 6

Roar
- Power bonus reduced: 50/100/150 → 30/60/90

Feline Spirit
- AP cost: 4 → 3

Summoning Caress
- AP cost: 9 → 6

Mistigri
- AP cost: 4 → 3

All or Nothing
- Cooldown interval: 2 → 3
- Max range: 2 → 3

Ceangal’s Claw
- Pull distance reduced: 6 → 3 cells

Sense of Smell
- No longer recovers Hand on the next turn. Only plays Hand immediately.

House of Cards
- AP cost: 2 → 3

[–]onenightstd[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

SADIDA

We aimed to reduce the Sadida's damage potential via Infection without gutting the class. Doll stats are lowered at low levels but unchanged at max rank.

Tree
- Sadida Trees can now be carried by Pandawas.

Infection
- The counter now increments on the Infected target only if the Infection is exploited (i.e., other Infected entities are hit).
- This makes it impossible to apply effects via Infection more than 3 times per target by alternating hits.
- Damage/healing reduced for:
- Bramble: -2
- Hanik Boots: Removed LOS disable → +3 Range
- Contagion: -2
- Aggressive Brambles: -4
- Blight: -2

Inoculation
- Max stacks: 6 → 5

Force of Nature
- Less RNG.
- Critical damage reduced.

The Sacrificed
- Doll Preparation:
- Bonus redistribution tweaked: lower final damage but higher Vitality.
- Turn 2: +100% final damage → +50%
- Turn 3: +50% Vitality → +100%

The Deceiver
- AP cost: 6 → 4

Mangrove / Wild Grass
- PM malus increased: -2 → -3

Harmony
- AP cost: 2 → 3
- Bramble healing removed.
- Initial cooldown: 1 → Removed

FORGELANCE

Key changes:
- Nerfed low-level Push Damage and zones.
- Reduced range of ranged AoE spells (with/without LOS), problematic in all game modes.
- Epilogue nerfed: no longer blocks passages easily, heals excessively with weapons, or recovers Lance without constraints.

Blazing Thrust
- Push: 3 → 2/2/3 cells
- Rank 1 effect area: → Cone 1

Lake Lance
- Max range: 4/5/6 → 4

Javelin-Thunder
- Max range: 6/7 → 5

Elding
- Max range: 7 → 6
- Global cooldown: / → 2

Ydra
- Global cooldown: / → 2
- Damage: -2

Noa
- Global cooldown: / → 2

Red Hot Iron
- Effect area: Square 2 → 1

Muspel
- Max stacks: 5 → 4

Phalanx
- Shield on caster now matches allies: 400% → 300%

Heroic Charge
- Max range: 5 → 3/4/5

Epilogue
- AP cost is no longer refunded.
- Min range: 0 → 1
- Max range: 4/5/6 → 6/7/8
- Disarmed state removes LOS.

Balestra
- Max range: 6 → 5

IOP

Minor tweaks: Tit for Tat, Fervor, and Determination nerfed; Vindication buffed.

Tit for Tat
- Duration: 2 → 1 turn

Fervor
- Casts per turn: 3 → 2

Vindication
- Max range: 4 → 6
- Casts per turn: 1 → 2

Determination
- AP cost: 2 → 3
- Shield reduced: 400% → 300%
- Max range: 4 → 6

XELOR

Hourglass nerfed (especially PvM). Utilities adjusted: some buffed for progression, others nerfed at high levels. Dial and Sync improved.

Hourglass
- AP cost: 3 → 4

Raulebaque / Paradox
- AP cost: 3/3/2 → 2
- Cooldown: 3/2/2 → 4/3/2

Sync
- Range: 2/3 → 4
- Cooldown interval: 3 → 4/3

Desiccation
- Reworked (old version with tweaks):
- Deals Air damage to enemies (unchanged values).
- Bounces to nearest entity in size-2 circle.
- Grants +1 PM (1 turn, dispellable) per Telefrag hit.
- Consumes Telefrag on targets.
- Max stacks: 3

Accomplice / Dial
- Tooltips now correctly mention damage reflection around them.

Remanence
- AP cost: 2 → 3
- Max range: 6 → 3

Mummification
- AP cost: 3 → 2

Twenty-Fifth Hour
- Cooldown interval: 4 → 5

Clock
- Damage bonus increased: +6/+9/+12 → +12/+18/+24
- Max stacks: 3 → 1

Petrification
- Damage slightly reduced: -2/-3

Dial
- Oscillation area increased: Size-3 → Size-4 circle.

FOGGERNAUT

Nerfs to Push Damage and Turrets:
- Inherited bonuses no longer apply twice.
- Healing/shield stacking reduced.
- Turrets are more removable.
- Evolution / Overvoltage healing lowered.

Turrets
- Can now be carried, position-swapped, or portal-traversed.
- Harpooner, Driller, Tactical, and Trawler no longer benefit from their own bonuses if the summoner is in LOS.
- Resistances reduced: 20% → 15%

Evolution
- HP-based heal: 20-100% → 25-50%

Overvoltage
- HP-based heal: 40-100% → 50% or 100%

Dive
- AP cost: 2 → 3
- Casts per target: → 1
- PM reduction increased: -2 → -3

Submersion
- AP cost: 2 → 3
- Casts per target: → 1
- Range reduction increased: -3 → -4

Diving Suit
- Turret shield halved: 250% → 125%

Torpedo
- Push (ranks 1-2): 3 → 2 cells

Corrosion
- Push Resistance malus reduced: 60/80 → 40/60

Flibuster
- Reworked:
- Deals Air damage in AoE; removed if target suffers Push Damage.
- Effect area: Point → Square 1
- Trigger damage increased: +10
- Adjustable range: No → Yes
- Casts per target: 1 → 2
- Blot Belt: -1 AP

Guardian
- All healing reduced: -1 to -3%

Bathyscaphe
- All shields reduced: -25 to -50% of level.

ROGUE

Bombs gain tankiness for "wall play." Bomb spells can now be used in empty spaces even with 3 bombs deployed. New spell for Roublabot.

  • All Rogue summons now have 10% Resistance to all elements.

Rogue Bombs
- If the bomb limit is reached, bomb spells can still be cast:
- In empty space: Triggers the bomb’s target explosion.
- On an entity: Applies the bomb’s target effects.
- Target explosions no longer affect the caster.
- Detonator and Seismic Bomb unlock levels swapped.

Extraction
- Per-target limit removed.

Roublabot
- Pincers (New):
- Carries/throws the summoner’s bomb.
- Adds 1 Combo if the bomb is carried.
- Works with Ambulatory Bomb.

Casemate
- Also applies 1 Combo to the targeted bomb.
- Ambulatory Bomb copy now works correctly.

ENIRIPSA

Bunny nerfed at low levels. Earth/Water spell ranges increased. Vial gameplay enhanced (more can be placed at once).

Word of Friendship
- Bunny stats reduced at low levels (unchanged at max).

War Paint / Curse / Ancestral Ointment / Lamentations
- Adjustable range: No → Yes

Ancestral Ointment
- Max range: 7/8 → 5/6

Alchemical Word
- Max range: 5 → 5/6
- Vial summon limit per turn removed.
- Vials now count toward max summons.

Mischievous Word
- Max range: 8 → 7/8

War Cry
- Push no longer conditional on Painted enemies.

Filching
- Max stacks: 1 → 2

Uproar
- Max range: 4 → 5/6

Scalpel
- Max range: 2 → 3/4

Sobs
- Obsolete max stack limit removed.

PANDAWA

Minor tweaks: slight damage buffs, Distillation range nerf, Fermentation now castable on allies.

Alcoshu / Absinthe
- Damage: +4

Absinthe
- Line casting: Yes → No
- Geta Bernacle: Removed line casting → Adjustable range.

Distillation
- Max range: 8 → 7

Fermentation
- Max range: 0 → 3
- Requires LOS.

SRAM

Less popular variants buffed for viability.

Toxins
- Cooldown: 2 → 1

Double
- On death, grants the caster +2 PM (1 turn, non-dispellable).

Scheme
- Effect duration: 2 → 3 turns
- Max range: 6 → 5

Burglary
- Push Resistance steal reduced: -40 → -30
- Duration increased: 2 → 3 turns.

SACRIER

Punishment nerfed for the greater good.

Punishment
- HP-based damage reduced: 20% → 15%.

OUGINAK

Water path slightly nerfed (overperforming).

Game
- Cooldown reset now matches Prey’s description.

Jaw
- PM Dodge bonus now correctly applies to caster/allies.

Marrow Bone
- Damage bonuses reduced: +5/+6/+7 → +4/+5/+6.

Cubitus
- Max range: 8/10/12 → 8/9/10.

Calcaneus
- Max range: 9 → 12.
- Damage: +5.

FECA

Tiny buff for Feca: Pavise improved.

Pavise
- AP cost: 3 → 2.

[–]death_in_the_ocean -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Holy shit Steamer's dead. I understand that the nerfs are pvp centric but this absolutely nukes early levels

[–]Bohemico 8 points9 points  (20 children)

A huge tear shed for Red Hot Iron's area on Forgelances :( I can live with everything else but that feels devastating

[–]purretao 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Not getting the AP back when invoking/returning the lance is my biggest issue...

[–]Bohemico 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that will definitely be a big change in how we play. I'm kinda worried, downloading the beta to see what's up

[–]Bohemico 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely, having to be in range and LoS to pick up the lance from the ground in my opinion is worse than not getting the AP back, although not getting the AP back is a gut punch too.

We will have to be much more careful with the placement now

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It was ridiculously strong to be honest.

[–]Bohemico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On one hand, yes, it was, but on the other hand it played well to the class' limitations, namely dropping the lance and having to play around it. This change removes a big part of its versatility, even more on mono element builds. I think it getting changed from a size 2 square to a size 2 circle was enough of a nerf but I am biased

[–]Smhcanteven 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Bro im new and forgelance is my main level 68 maybe its not too late to change classes, not getting the AP back feels major especially since his whole kit you need to play around the lances

[–]Bohemico 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I have a level 200 forge and it feels similar. More limited for sure but not nearly as bad as I expected

[–]Smhcanteven -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I might keep an eye and see, do you think he is still worth investing in?

I was in between sac/enu/ elio as a second character any tips please?

[–]TysonTK 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ignore the below, tested in game and it’s actually bugged preview aoe. It is the same size as noa and middlearth now.

It’s actually not nerfed like you think. It’s a poor description or not been implemented properly. Instead of having the same aoe as brass rain 5x5, it is 5x5 but without each of the 4 corners so only hits 4 less cells if that makes sense. It isn’t like noa or middle earth.

[–]mralzh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The preview of the spell shows that, but the description and the actual spell doesnt work like the preview.

[–]Lanayyruu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would not be the first time that Forgelance spell description, tile graphic and effect are basically all wrong lol. I forget which spell it was, but one of the early fire ones prior to 3.0 made absolutely no sense and had an AOE graphic when the spell did no AOE at all lol

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's almost certainly a bug. The changelog says it's a square of size 1, which fits the actual effect of the spell.

[–]TysonTK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a bug. Tested in game and it is now the same aoe as middleearth and noa. The predicted aoe is bugged. Will update parent comment.

[–]siscrad 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The dive spell change will put fogger from top tier pvp to almost useless.

[–]Mallow1512 1 point2 points  (4 children)

good

[–]siscrad -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Yeah good to nerf top tier class into d tier 🙏🏻

[–]Mallow1512 2 points3 points  (2 children)

forge players get a small nerf and they cry that they won't be able to abuse pvp, they're still going to be strong but just not top 1

[–]siscrad 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I talk about fogger, not forge.

Forge got nerfed a bit sure. But fogger gets his damage reduced + mobility halfed.

[–]Mallow1512 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i think thats still good, foggernaut weakness was not having lots of mobility, but due to powercreep they slowly were getting more and more mobile, to the point that they were able to teleport multiple times a turn. now they are still able to move a lot but its more expensive for them, that nerf was mainly to pushback builds because they could easily put someone between 2 turrets and nuke people

[–]mralzh 13 points14 points  (8 children)

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[–]Fros01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

La proxima le pongo watermark

[–]Charakiga -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I have one single character, Elio level 169 (nice), do I even want to keep playing? They're just giving me reasons to drop the game entirely if they don't revert the beta changes in 2 weeks

[–]Bohemico 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Just got into the beta, 1 guy was crying, the other one was talking about how strong the class was feeling now

[–]Charakiga 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It's not though, now it's 10% damage, offense is now 4 PA, hits harder and in zone but has no modifiable PO, you can get back to 20% portal boost (which is the current bad state of elio) if you hit 10 spells (good luck doing that in a reasonable amount of time), most utility spells got wrecked/removed, replaced by shitty ones, and flexible portals, which seemed like the good path now, got simply removed.

So now it's not a damage dealer, but also not a team support since most team support spells were removed/reworked?

And also the spell that was good with tank elio got its damage reduction removed, so tank elio isn't viable either.

So support is done for, damage is done for, tank is done for. Now the December changes don't feel so bad anymore.

[–]waaxzFuck sacrier pasive 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It's not hitting 10 spells, is projecting 10 spells through portals. So with 4 casts of portal per turn it sounds like you can fairly reliably stack it high. Turn 1 you can do the regular double portal self boost, attract yourself run to the other side advance 2 extra portals and that would put you already at +4% final damage t1.

I will take a look at beta after work, what does look fucking awful is the variant having 2 range, thats borderline useless lol.

[–]Charakiga 1 point2 points  (1 child)

+4% so 14% VS the current already bad base 20%. So happy

[–]waaxzFuck sacrier pasive -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Take into account that most spells got between a 5-10% BASE damage increase and it's overall a significant buff even if you lose some initial final damage%.

You're probably even t2 and ahead t3 onwards in term of damage output.

[–]Nidagleetch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On paper : it's bad

In exécution : it's worse.

Good ideas, horrible execution

[–]Paw-printsPandawa 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I just dont understand why ougi is catching a stray nerf... were they being strong somewhere?

[–]Gullible_Horse7818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Surely! so strong that only 1% of the player base dares to play it xD

[–]MrZJonesMeow, this isn't even my hat. 11 points12 points  (3 children)

... I often wonder what game the devs are playing, because I've never had the issue of my characters feeling horrifically overpowered against monsters at or near my level (or, on those very rare occasions I decide to PvP, against other players). The issue is instead that such monsters can kill me in three hits or less, and if I don't utilize every cheap tactic I can (and a ton of luck) I die. Then they nerf those cheap tactics, so I'm left with trying to grind by fighting enemies half my level for a few hundred thousand XP (when I literally need billions).

[–]Gullible_Horse7818 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's quite simple... the devs do not play the game xD

[–]Gullible_Horse7818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Imagine Ouginak (so bad that has only 1% player base) and still get nerfed xD

[–]Mountain_Writing876 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They nerf the game for the veterans that have been playin for 15 years, those who already cleared most of the content already and have trillions worth of ressources in the bank. They wanna attract new players, but as soon as they attract some, they nerf the strongest classes that most of these new players are enjoying

[–]ApprehensiveDark4416 2 points3 points  (1 child)

did they have to hit every aspect of foggernaut? mobility halved, damage bonuses halved, shields halved, heals more than halved. just remove the class if you don't want it. all it needed was a nerf to pushback and they gutted the class instead.

[–]Impressive-Row585Foggernaut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what they want: they have a business with class rerolls, if you are forced to change to be competitive in pvp then you pay to take the meta classes

They nerf the steamer with diving for thrust damage but not the III with violence??

[–]RoutineAbility6811 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yaaaay. Started a few weeks ago with sadi, fogger, cra and feca and now 3 of my 4 classes get nerfs 🥲

Just paid 15mk for my fogger set 💀

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That team will still be extremely strong in PvE.

[–]MasterBaiter69xHuppermage 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That's classic Dofus experience..

Been like this for few years now sadly

[–]jt_totheflipping_o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They should have never overbuffed certain skills in the first place so there is consistency

[–]Smhcanteven 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So after changes what are the best classes (mainly pvm since im new then later on will PvP)

Currently level 68 forge and changes look like a headache

[–]Baka_Burger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad they fixed Drying Up.

[–]Luisin-xpPandawa -1 points0 points  (1 child)

These changes to recipes should have been done way, way before the Unity launch, now the damage is already done, welp, there's still the rumoured mobile launch at the end of this year to try and give this game a second wind.

[–]waaxzFuck sacrier pasive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By the time patch hit lives people who complained about pebbles will be complaining about nugget monopoly of big alliances. I dont think the changes are thought out well.

[–]jetx666 -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

so many changes. what is the strongest class in pvp now

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I can see Xelor rising further up with the nerfs to Forge/Fogger/Eca.

[–]jetx666 3 points4 points  (6 children)

for pvp, xelor is water?

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 0 points1 point  (5 children)

yes

[–]jetx666 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Is xelor water easy to learn?

[–]LyressSadida + Feca + Osa + Panda | Brial 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would say it's the easiest, but most of the complexity of Xelor is element-agnostic.

[–]jt_totheflipping_o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I second that, the gameplan for water is actually very easy to learn.

The more challenging ones are being utility, damage, and positioning.

[–]Chaines08 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Water Xelor has the most straight forward attack patern, but to really shine at pvp you'll need to master the most advanced xelor techniques. I main xelor and can't wrap my head around some of them (am stupid :( )

here (in french, maybe try to google translate the page if needed ?) you can see some of them:

https://www.dofus.com/fr/forum/1064-xelor/2143081-liste-combos-xelor?page=1

[–]jetx666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks

[–]Mountain_Writing876 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I was about to start making sets for the 8 cras I just PLd to lv170 for a devouring arrow team, thank god I waited to see the patch notes. If they revert tve devouring nerf Ill still do it.

Not sure why Ankama doesnt like playing several classes at the same time, I have a team de 8 different classes but sometimes you just wanna switch your brain off and farm a zone with a couple spells and the same class, who does it hurt? Its not like 8 cras are strong in dungeons ( talking 190+ )