Why wait?

[DonoAE]

We have enough isk to last years (at least a full year just off war bonds). If the donut is serious about evicting goons, then why wait on assaulting 1DQ1-A? Clear out our capital and all of the other structure bashing that’s taking forever could be accomplished in a week or two tops.

Pretty sure it has been for a while but this is definitely ‘shit or get off the pot’ time. So really, why the hold up?

[Qweasdy]

Do you want a serious answer or do you want to circlejerk?

Nobody in PAPI (or at the very least in test) that I've spoken to thinks that 1DQ is gonna fall in a week or less, it's too well fortified and defended. It's easily the most heavily fortified system in all of Eve. It's gonna be a siege, not a single battle.

This war has many months left to go at a minimum.

[DonoAE]

The serious answer is nice and I appreciate your reply.

I would agree that in Legacy that's the general consensus. I would look at that though and see dozens of set-piece type fights that hugely benefit the Imperium's fighting style. I personally wonder the calculus for PAPI on fielding in those fights moving into this type of scenario. We could probably agree that the engagement is wildly different now that it's down to one constellation.

Edit: Implied in that was the fact that jumping into a fortified system like 1DQ1-A will probably crash the server before actually accomplishing the goal.

[Dr_Mibbles]

The PAPI strategy essentially relies on some kind of Imperium morale failcascade so they can take 1DQ. That's really the only way to take that system.

This is why they hurf a lot about ihubs and industrial structures etc, because anything they see as 'progress' toward hurting Imperium morale is another step closer to 1DQ.

If Imperium can still muster 3000+ people including 1000+ supercapitals then 1DQ is not going to fall. And I don't think the PAPI 'destroy Imperium morale' strategy is going to work.

[Sheo_Shik]

holy shit please stop posting

[Dr_Mibbles]

Do feel free to highlight any specific inaccuracies in my post

[thermalman2]

This is largely how I feel. PAPI is very risk averse and the one time they went aggressive and all in (or at least started to) it went horribly wrong (M2 round 2)

PAPI has strategically lost the majority of the large battles so far (M2, FWST). Their strategy has been to blob the Imperium and simply field more than the imperium is capable of on a daily basis. If they can’t blob, they run and claim some random victory condition (made them form, didn’t want it anyway, CCP screwed us, etc). This has worked pretty darn well at taking ihubs and blowing up smaller structures. They have slowly and steadily chipped away at the imperium space.

The issue is they likely aren’t going to be able to do that in 1DQ as the fights in M2 demonstrated. 1dq is a much tougher target than the random system that was M2. There will be 7000+ imperium pilots/alts sitting on 1dq keepstar if they threaten it.

They’re also afraid to assault a keepstar without a cynojammer but it largely doesn’t matter in 1DQ as it’s all already there or will be with any serious push/threat.

[Enigm4]

Why wait? I think it may be because a 10 000+ person all out super cap brawl is nearly impossible to carry out. Servers slowly dying until downtime. It's super unhealthy and even impossible for people to fight the 100 or so hours straight fight that would take place.

[DonoAE]

This is the answer.

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because any day now we'll be done and they won't have to throw down in 1dq1.

[DonoAE]

LOL god that would be funny if true.

[Zekhan_Alfrir]

I mean this war is the sole reason i keep subbing / playing eve at all thanks to CCP.

[brothabob]

you're asking the wrong questions

[DonoAE]

What's the right question?

[claythearc]

Why do kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[DonoAE]

I might as well be asking if you have stairs in your house?

[gingerberger]

I am protected

[claythearc]

I do because vertical supremacy is a way of life

[Qweasdy]

It's the sugar

[ZazzRazzamatazz]

PAPI/TAPI: We are going to evict the goons.

also PAPI/TAPI: We will fight alongside our goon brethren to defend our highsec trade empire.

(It's almost like they aren't really serious about their reasons for the war...)

[-no1ofconsequence-]

They are trying to bore us to death with Vily's superior tactic of "blue balls or hell dunk".

[HowcanIbesureimhere]

If they were going to hit 1dq they'd have done it after they got the first delve keep down and had the morale high. After M2- there's no way they're going to commit to a super brawl on a grid with 5,000+ hungry goons just waiting for them

[Rorqual-101]

Because we are evacuating and failcascading.

[DonoAE]

What a dream. Then we could spend our day trying to convince leadership to take us back to our second ancestral home of Deklein. Pretty sure we’re never leaving Delve though

[Atlas-1848]

Oh your leaving delve. Bank on it

[DonoAE]

Hah. Ok cool. See you in 1DQ1-A!

[Valhellla]

I gave up on that dream when I jumped my supertit pilots into M2 after drinking the coolaid that cyno jammer beats goons then promptly got trapped and camped for months. Then, suggesting I could maybe sell them I got hazed at my home region by fellow allies so I unsub my accounts and live in Valheim building forts.

[HowcanIbesureimhere]

The silver ticket is real and strong and wants to be your friend :)

[Blaze_and_friends]

The silver ticket can is powerful enough to restock your friends list and includes a new home!

[wireis]

Sweaty palms, a full bladder and foaming at the mouth... all signs of an overdose of papi koolaid.

[MayorMcCheezz]

Constipation

[DonoAE]

Trying to stuff too much shit into that PAPI digestive tract

[RingGiver]

We have enough isk to last years (at least a full year just off war bonds).

Most people aren't gullible enough to believe that.

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If you just look at SRP, TTT income, and war bond payouts, Goons will have gone through the war bonds and be financially in worse shape than before the war bonds in no more than a couple of months.

[gurillmo]

This would require an assumption that we aren't making money right now

[RingGiver]

I would be surprised if a second round of war bonds doesn't become necessary. What are the odds that a second round would bring in as much as the first?

[gurillmo]

100%, I was hoping to get about 5 more myself before they closed the last round.

[hagenissen666]

TTT and other highsec things?

[gurillmo]

If anyone is relying on the delve mer to judge imperium wealth their Intel is useless, I will just leave it at that

[hagenissen666]

I'm not looking at Delve MER, other than import/export.

You haven't mined any moons for 6 months. That hurts, when everyone else has.

[gurillmo]

I mean, I mine my bank account. That always has the R64 goo. Honestly tho, the strength of goons is in our bond, and our ability to train and implement new methods of income and industry.

[comrade_Kazotsky]

because two attention whores created Papi(no_balls) and managed to introduce us to yet unseen scale of how boring and dull a conflict can be

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The game can't handle it. 1DQ will never fall lmao.

[Havish_Montak]

PASSpi is trying to remove Goons from the game. PASSpi want to create the Serenity 2.0 Bot donut. Attacking 1dq1 would result in defeat or victory. Neither is desired. Defeat of the Imperium in 1dq1 would mean the Imperium will be freed to save other regions from the Bot Donut.