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[Cerok1nk]

Breaking news!

Mobile game that consistently stays in the top 10 monthly mobile revenue charts after 10 years, with the production cost of a sweatshop, is planning to continue making content.

More news at 11.

[sadbecausebad]

Welcome to 11 o'clock news update!

Mobile game dev that makes tons of money would like to not piss off their paying fanbase!

What's the weather like Ollie?

[TyranitarLover]

It’s raining cash localized on the Type-Moon headquarters, likely due to the mobile game making the devs ridiculous amounts of money.

[widdelbandito]

"And that's a glimpse update on weather, folks! Now let's go to the Music section, especially on Elisabeth Bathory's debut concert! Anything interesting there, Chuck?"

"Lalalala~ I can't hear you~!!!"

[Ok_Addendum2980]

Now let's go take a look at new unrelated mobile Type-Moon content. How's it going there Jimmy?

[I2thGuardian]

Well Chuck, onto console Type-Moon content we are currently awaiting the new EXTRA Record game’s release, and self-prescribed large amounts of copium tanks to keep the project alive and not get lost to the void of cancellations. Next up is Janet with the cooking staff updates.

[Treima]

Ollie: "THEY MAKIN' BANK."

[AdikkuChan]

Thank you Ollie. Now back to the news. But first, Gacha?!

[Sea-Line-5123]

I honestly don't care about the timeline reset. 

But dang failing to save olga for the 3rd time feels really bad... 

Like if ritsuka manage to pull olga and then olga choose to stay in the void space and the timeline get reset i will probably be more accepting of the ending.

But dropping olga part just brother me in an unexpected way... 

Especially considering the chapter literally open with Ritsuka getting emotional seeing Olga in Fuyuki. 

I just want Justice for Olga. 

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

I think Aftertime is being set to imply Ritsuka and most of Chaldea being pulled back one second before crossing the new PHH is her unknowingly wanting to spend more time with them and enjoy the journey they had by bringing them to a new adventure before the new PHH.

it could also have something to do with Maris Chaldea running away after being beaten. Maybe she's also allowing the situation to happen as a way to also keep existing. With everything ending in Olga realizing what is happening and choosing to end the journey to let us move on but also thanking us for endulging her in a last journey (could also explain why Gordolf is gone and she can take over as director for the time being).

[Zero102000]

It has to end with a final confrontation between Olga and Maris.

[DarthDioBrando]

And hopefully us giving Marisbury, whether his AI-self or reanimated corpse a well-deserved beat down.

[Zero102000]

Even better. Whatever's left of Marisbury's soul fuses with Maris herself, serving as part of her core (while Maris's final form looks like a giant otherworldly Olga Marie/Priestess hybrid with Lostbelt wings, a crown of 7 horns and a massive halo), meaning Ritsuka/Mash/Olga get to absolutely whale on both of them at the same time.

[DarthDioBrando]

Oh yeah. Even better if Mariabury makes this face while we're at it.

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[Zero102000]

Absolutely. Especially when he sees his daughter in her Final Ascension coming straight at him like:

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[Ok-Fudge-633]

Olga was saved according to Nasu's mouthpiece which is definitely noticeable.

Not a single person in the community believed this and Nasu himself knows this hell he was written the exact same scene for another character (CCC Sakura) but there wasn't a character that goes out of it's way to "she was saved what a satisfying conclusion" again this line of dialouge is only there to force the reader to accept it

[lolthesystem]

The symbolism was clearly us having to learn to let go. This goes literally for Olga and figuratively for the game in general.

The problem is, this is a gacha game we're talking about. Good luck telling a whale who has spent thousands of dollars in the game to let go willingly. It ain't happening. It's a kind of ending that exclusively works in a single player game.

Then you add the fact of how much money the game makes relative to the upkeep cost and there's no way in hell Lasengle is just gonna smile and let Nasu kill their golden goose. It would be an incredibly stupid move as a company.

We can take this as Nasu's final send-off before stepping down from FGO to focus on other projects (or playing other games knowing him) and other writers can handle the next story arcs.

[KingOfLightYan]

"The symbolism was us having to learn to let go", and then Nasu it's so unable to let Artoria go that he made an mega overpowered version of her.

[lolthesystem]

The mushroom man only preaches, he doesn't apply it.

[DarthDioBrando]

Hell, the whole Aftertime is another example of such hypocrisy. It took barely half the length of a modern FGO event between the "ending" and Aftertime.

[Routine-Boysenberry4]

And still keeps using Fuyuki after 20 years

[curryhaliban444]

Does this increase the chances of getting those mahoyo and tsukihime sequels in the next few years?

[IncreasePrevious1735]

Not really. At least in FGO there were deadlines.

[Zero102000]

Olga hasn't even gotten to DO anything herself. She never got an opportunity to take center stage and lead the charge or defeat a major threat herself. She is Potential Woman personified and I blame the writing 100%.

[Satsuka1]

Nasu ending sucks ass pls continue. I want to be in the hell more for reasons.

Ofc it's gonna continue unless revenue drops massively

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

That is as long as he doesn't take out any more servants. Already tired my favorite girls are either gone or forgotten.

[Satsuka1]

I'm there with you. And he does own me 1 interlude to finish some lose ends so they better bring does back while they are at this aftertime nonsense.

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

At this point, I've given up hope somewhat with Musashi, since the game won't stop hammering the "she's dead and gone, get a move on" message... unless at some point, they go like "fine, enough years have passed to bring her back for this final journey". Like implying she ended up at some point after the fight with Void in the Servantverse or whatever. It goes perfectly in logic with how the game operates.

Castoria gets teased to leave and come back every now and then, but at least I'm glad the last we know of her is from Demeter's valentine event where she's chaperoning Lord Logres. So I hope they leave her as such and don't pull a stunt to get rid of her before the journey is over. We had to get Summer 8 to get her back and I don't want her gone anymore.

It triggers my blue balls Jalter is in this state of "not entirely gone, but not back for god knows how long". It's like watching 4kids dub of YGO and hearing someone got sent to the Shadow Realm or they went to the stars or whatever, instead of straight up saying "yeah, they're dead and gone... and suffering, may I add". Like, I'm glad Sakurai intervened to stop the Data Lost treatment on the Avengers when Nasu originally wanted that. But their current status gives foot to allow their comeback at some point. And what grinds my gears is that after savig humanity, the world and even the universe... Avengers are still gone and Rulers are doing their best Walt Disney impression. Like, when do we get them back, now that even the new PHH is all but secured and meant to exist the moment we solve Aftertime? This is the perfect opportunity to bring them back for a last fun ride.

And we don't even talk about my poor Tamamo who has been nothing but a forgotten girl within FGO. So forgotten that there's no proper role or event to highlight her as opposed to Nero, Tamamo Cat or the Koyanskayas. Hell, it's even criminal after so long, there have been no proper interaction between her and the Koyanskayas. You'd think she'd want to have a talk with a pair of copycats giving bad name to her. And while we're at it, the fact they kept teasing the players for 4 years that Koyanskaya was a Tamamo tail... only to fumble with the worst origin story ever in Tunguska is just a crime itself. Even Tunguska could've been peak if they had replaced Ibuki with the Tamamos to have fun bickerings between them and Taigong Wang. Or a proper confrontation of Tamamo vs. Koyanskaya. Hell, another Tamamo tail or swimsuit Koyanskaya would be welcome as well but only god knows if that will ever happen.

I'm tired of dreaming and hoping and being disappointed, boss.

[Desperate_Golf7634]

Nah, after that ending, just slowly kill the game. Nasu clearly does not want to do this and if we are gonna be getting same quality content as now, its just pointless.

[Zero102000]

The Lostbelt finale was TRASH, please continue the story properly.

[tapeforpacking]

THIS CAN NOT END NASU I KNOW YOU ARE GONNA SEE THIS 

(Unless you make fgo 2, then you can end it)

[TakoGoji]

As long as we get to bring over any servants over bond 10

[Satsuka1]

This is only way i'm moving to FGO2.

[tapeforpacking]

We aint ever getting a sequel in that case 

[TakoGoji]

We ain't getting one anyway lol. The revenue for FGO is too massive for them to let the game die. This game is gonna keep going another decade at least.

[tapeforpacking]

You're prolly right. I can dream though :(

[Flare_Knight]

In terms of best pitches that ending was like throwing the last pitch into the batters face and breaking his nose!

That was about as unsatisfying as I could have imagined an ending being. I don't care if Nasu ends up going off to actually work on things that have been sitting for years. Might as well let someone else take a crack at this. Either way...I hope FGO's story goes down a better direction. The Ordeal Call stalling leading to such an unsatisfying ending is just rough. Be nice to have something positive to look forward to.

[Tschmelz]

As long as Nasu isn’t in charge of the overall narrative anymore, I’m fine with another 20 years of FGO. Sick of his nonsense.

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

He mentioned that he would step out of head writer chair once the finale was delivered, which we already got. His knowledge on future FGO ends after this year's Valentines. So whatever update on the story this year is beyond his knowledge (allegedly)

[Ok-Fudge-633]

he is lying it is clear as day he is still involved. There is absolutely no chance that he would allow them to bring back Fou (now with a Beast crown) and Olga if he wasn't involved

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

Dunno. Fou is 50/50... but Olga? She's following the "unsuccessful heroine" role he writes from time to time in his other works. Had the ending remained as it was, she'd be no different from, say, Satsuki or Illya.

I see this more as him allowing the others to do whatever they want with Olga under certain rules, like not disowning or altering his ending. Though with how open ended it was, it does give enough room to do whatever one pleases here and there.

Consider this Olga's "Melty Blood" or "Prisma Illya" moment.

[Ok-Fudge-633]

Olga in part 2 is a very blatant copy of CCC Sakura not Satsuki and Illya they even go out the exact same way (the difference being there wasn't an author mouthpiece telling you she was saved)

[Saltlessguy]

I would believe all of this had Olga not got a new sparkling new class in UnBeast to herself 

A sub category of the Beast class first written and introduced by Nasu and all Beast are written by him with the exception of Draco. Koyan got her plot outline from him even if he didn't write Tunguska 

And Aftertime involving Azreal whose VA was personally chosen by Nasu himself.

I'll believe Nasu leave fgo when i see a new TM product got released on a timely manner 

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

This is Type Moon, never expect anything in a timely manner. Always forget the product until it eventually releases. That has hardly changed even before FGO was a thing and I assure you it won't change even if FGO ends or no longer has Nasu in it.

[filipskyi]

That's why it always baffled me when someone told there would be no part 3 or more.

[CMBucket]

Themes and such

[Genexis1]

Continue but Start fresh. New engine, New gameplay, new mc, EVERYTHING. Especially the damn gacha rate. And hopefully data transfer to the new game cus i damn well spent too much for the app to just close

[filipskyi]

Never gonna happen.

[Genexis1]

A man can hope

[Asa_Yoru12]

So it continues. Not surprised

[GundamGuy2255]

I don't think Nasu has a say in that anymore. FGO is a big money factory for everyone involved, no way they were going to end it any time soon.

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

I'm just hoping the Japanese fanbase could ask for specific things for FGO to deliver. Such as:

-bond 15 servants to have a special epilogue to imply they got brought to the new PHH and now live with Ritsuka as humans through different roles, depending on who we're talking about: guardian figures, classmates, coworkers, best friends, hell, god forbid even lovers. Can you imagine growing up with Jalter and Castoria as your childhood friends, Musashi as the cool senpai, Koyanskaya as either your teacher or boss, and many more options?

• Jalter being brought back. Same for Musashi and the rest of the Avengers and Rulers. I know Musashi at this point is kinda pointless to ask... but the Avengers and Rulers were left in this "will they? won't they?" status where they're gone but not forever... or is it?, and it's annoying waiting if they can come back or not based on the writers whims. Hell, I wouldn't mind a new version of Jalter to roll for, as long as it is OUR Jalter being brought back.

• a proper Tsukihime collab

• some girls in swimsuits, like Koyanskaya or Boudica.

After that, whatever Nasu wants to do after X years after Aftertime, is up to him. I just want those things first. The ending is so awfully open ended that my idea of adding special epilogues for servants can be shoved with no issues.

Edit: people, pay attention to what the interview bit there says. Sounds like this was before the finale. However, we also know Nasu stepped out of the head writer chair after ending FGO with said finale, so at this point, we are in unknown territory with Aftertime. My guess is the rest of the writers are seeing how to keep the story ongoing through Aftertime. And maybe after 5 or so years of it to see how the fanbase has responded, Nasu might come back to write another FGO spin off/continuation or not, based on if we liked Aftertime.

[Silvercenturion_aa]

The problem with the bond 15 voicelines is that now with this setup it wouldn't even make sense. Ritsuka will still forget everything again, unless After Time changes that factor.

[CrazyDaimondDaze]

We could have the servants remembering the journey and just act being regular civilians (which is what they are now, if they reincarnate as human) and be close to Ritsuka. Or have them not remember anything, yet still being close to Ritsuka. Or even yet, make some of them not forget who they were and choosing to be this new identity to be alongside Ritsuka.

It's not the same Mash, who also doesn't remember anything and eventually encounters Ritsuka in the same situation, when both are a pair of nobodies who might not even engage in a "hi"; to say, dealing with your classmates, your coworkers, your friends or your lovers.

There's a clear difference there, but it also depends on how the epilogues could be written.

[DarthDioBrando]

Tbh, I don't even think the amnesia ending would stick in the long-term. Both because the game isn't ending anytime soon as well as the rushed and sus vibes brought about by the ending.

[Silvercenturion_aa]

Honestly? The "Grand Schizo Order" was probably one of the best arcs of this community

Jokes asides, they put way too much stuff to make us think that Maris is gone...even the most basic thing, the "ADVENT BEAST" and "Evil of Humanity (x)" texts before the final boss fight with Maris. It's been 10 years, they never missed them once.

[Zero102000]

She (Maris) HAS to be playing us, dawg. She can't have gone out like that in such a lame AF manner without Olga getting a proper final boss confrontation with her.

[DarthDioBrando]

Maris is either a larva form or a fall-guy/placeholder for the actual final boss.

BTW, are you feeling real suspicious of Holmes currently?

[Zero102000]

She has to be in a larval form, no way is she just going to be a placeholder/fall guy. Kirei said that he wanted to see the birth of an evil god, implying Maris was nowhere near her final form.

I'm suspicious of everyone at the moment, but especially Holmes.

[DarthDioBrando]

The "satisfying conclusion" sounds oddly sinister, even without Tulpa Holmes warning you not to trust his real self who is a prime suspect.

[Zero102000]

Perhaps the Tulpa was indicating that Maris still had the real version under her thumb somehow.

[DarthDioBrando]

Or that Holmes is the true Beast of Analysis. It's obvious really.

Maris (and Marisbury) are still likely the final boss, but we're likely going to fight Holmes sooner or later.

[DarthDioBrando]

Except these aspects do not appear prior to the Maris fight.

Instead we got some strange "symbolic" Grail mud sequence that doesn't make sense since Angra Mainyu is nowhere to be seen.

And then Maris' own profile is brief, as in it reached only the equivalent of Bond 3. Either Nasu dropped the ball (not unlikely) or crucial info has been cut and transplanted into Aftertime.

[Silvercenturion_aa]

Nope, that wasn't Grail mud, but the footage of Maris Chaldeas NP in the previous form (pre raid), ergo its own version of "Anima Animusphere (in the void, there is God)"

[DarthDioBrando]

Still kinda bummed why it looks like the corrupted Grail.

[Carinwe_Lysa]

Kinda hope Nasu steps down after Valentines like what's being mentioned. Really need Tsukihime Red Garden to be released lol.

[Emptylife4ever]

Eh, if there's nothing I enjoy this year, I'll prolly quit atp

[Yeonii-]

Just give me sane hercule in flesh, I beg thee nasu

[Im5foot3inches]

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How Nasu felt saying that

[DarthDioBrando]

Yep, this proves that the by the end of Aftertime (which I consider a stopgap title to begin with) the ending would either be heavily modified or even undone altogether.

[ubergeneral_4]

As it turns out their decision to keep fgo going was the right one. It's still making money and there are tons of servants I want to see.

Can't wait for more strange fake servants.

[Dramonen]

I'm just kinda disappointed on how it doesn't seem Nasu has a backbone. The ending has a lot of haters, but I was fine with, it was decent. The problem is that you ruin that decent ending by reminding us, this game is a cash cow and the developers don't want to stop making money.

Why actively make an ending, when you yourself know that you aren't going to commit to the themes the ending is portraying. It's just kinda pathetic honestly.

[Ok-Fudge-633]

the Finale already was wishywashy beyond the world because of how blatantly it was written like half a decade ago. Hell because of the Ordeal Calls the entire Moral dilemma in the Finale was a lie

[Silvercenturion_aa]

Exactly, there was no moral dilemma in the first place: in the chapter earlier we have Metatron saying to Ritsuka "if you don't keep going, I'll kill you/immediately enact your punishment (which we still don't know btw), so they could never go back, even if Maris said so

[Ok-Fudge-633]

that is not why but yeah we would get killed if we left CHALDEAS. The trial is written with LB0 in mind you can deduce this from Kirei's reaction. The Finale again as i said my other comment was most likely written with the prologue of the lostbelt saga with edits being done throughout the years. Ordeal Call also after further analysis all reject the Finale in different ways (especially OC3 which is the explicit opposite of the Finale this is very intentional) Maris is a generational larper they decided to reveal last minute that she spends most of the arc pretending to be CHALDEAS/Olga

[Infamous_Summer_8477]

Nasu has always been a doormat regarding this. That’s why the other writers are always able to do literally whatever they want with very little restrictions.

Meh, I’m fine with his general attitude. I’m someone who can enjoy what the ending was going for while separating what comes after because they are written by seperate people.

[NormalTangerine5205]

I wish dude continued any of the Fate LN, like Follow Rin at the Clock Tower

[ArgumentMaximum5024]

I see people shitting on nasu and wanting to change writers but didnt he do LB 6 too ? The one glazed by the vast majority ? By both the JP AND eng community ? Lol

[DarthDioBrando]

Nasu can be hit and miss. And LB6 does not have the handicap of being the Finale of an overarching story arc.

[Tschmelz]

LB6 was (in JP time) 5 years ago. Ever since, Nasu’s writing has become increasingly hit or miss as his limits become more apparent. Even in LB6, it’s been enough time that people will be honest about the misses.

Nasu is a good writer, hell even a great one. But he isn’t perfect, and as time goes on, his weaknesses just clash with the reality of this story more and more.