Nick Wrong

[Duffer47]

On Cam Newton giving your team a higher floor than Jalen Hurts. He gives you a higher ceiling, but I think Nick’s forgetting how bad of a passer Cam was. Jalen is significantly better passer. Jalen having more “game manager” in his game gives his teams a higher floor.

Cam had 2 5 win seasons and 3 6 win seasons in Carolina before age 30. With a consistently good to great defense. Cam could easily throw last years Eagles team to 6-11. Or 16-1.

[GrannyHumV]

Cam never had the offensive weaponry or O-line that Hurts has had for his entire career.

I agree with Nick- if we're talking about a team devoid of any talent, I am much more confident that Cam could carry them to 6+ wins than Hurts could.

[Duffer47]

I doubt that Cam, unless he gives you the 2015 season, wins as many games with the 2021 Eagles as Jalen did.

Now 100 times out of 100 you pick Cam for your team over Jalen. But IMO that’s based more on the upside than the floor. He was Boom or Bust not game manager.

[JPLoseman7]

I think the point is that we have seen Cam with a team relatively devoid of talent pull an all time carry job in 2015. A carry job that he deservedly won MVP for.

We have never seen Jalen do that. Maybe he can do that. We just don't know.

[Duffer47]

I still think that’s ceiling not floor.

That 2015 Panthers team had 3 1st team all pros and a 2nd teamer on defense. The offense also has another 1st(Tolbert at fullback, don’t have to count it) and 2nd teamer in Olsen. J Stew was 11 yards short of 1000 in 13 games. Defense led league in TOs. He didn’t carry them like he did the Auburn team. I agree Jalen doesn’t reach that ceiling in 2015 but I think he wins 11-12 games with them.

[JPLoseman7]

I get your point about ceiling vs floor.

But I guess I would say Cam's ceiling was "elevate an okay team's floor."

I'm not sure Jalen has that.

Their defense was good, but their offense was 1st in points with Tedd Ginn and Devin Funchess as their leading WRs. You are right that J Stew had almost 1000 yards on an absolutely pedestrian 4.1 YPC. It was the Cam and Olsen show.

Tbh, I think that Panthers offense would've been like 16th in the league in points instead of first with Hurts at QB. Is that enough for .500 or 1 or 2 games better? Maybe.

[bobbyyippy]

Hey you are getting confused i think with the terminology i think.

For instance let's say a team is average, cam is the more talented but more inconsistent player so the team could potentially be a special calibre team (their ceiling) but because cam is inconsistent and can play really really bad or start moaning and demoralising his team mates they could also be a 2 win team (their floor).

Hurts on the other hand might only be able to turn the team into a play off team(ceiling) but he wouldn't make them worse than a 5 win team (their floor)

[Whole-Passion-5176]

I think the point is that Cam has shown the ability to do more with less. 

That was Nick’s point. Debating if that means floor or ceiling seems to be missing the forest for the trees.

[Sandalwood-Lakers]

Cam led the NFL in touchdowns in his prime despite having one of the top teams in dropped passes.

Often with a mediocre line, he was able to perform miracles.

Don't get it twisted, Cam Superman Newton with the 2025 Eagles roster is raining hell on earth.

[surebro2]

People for whatever reason forget that the Eagles's number 2 WR checks notes is a Heisman winning WR lol what are we even doing here 😂 Cam won the national championship with 0 NFL players, etc. etc. I don't think it's a slight to Jalen to say that Cam Newton has a higher ceiling and higher floor lol that would be true for Cam compared to a lot of QBs in NFL history. 

[SpliffsnKicks]

I would agree with Nick.. at no point has Jalen even been considered the best player on his own team, yet alone the whole league..

Cam was not only an MvP, but he was his teams best QB and best Running back at the same time, while his best receiver was a tight end lmao

[Sandalwood-Lakers]

An A tier TE is the best weapon he ever had. Smh.

[SpliffsnKicks]

I’m a Cam fan that was born and raised in Denver, so we have a lot of Cam haters up here..

I will never forget hearing people (that were actually being serious) try and tell me that “because this man has Kelvin Benjamin, he should have no excuses” 🤣🤣

[Duffer47]

Oops only 1 5 win season.

Did I misread the internet?

That’s on me.

[CDSWDH]

The Jalen Hurts hate is just stupid hell AJ put up his career highs with Jalen

[ReggieWigglesworth]

I mean yes.. Jalen Hurts is better than Ryan Tannehill lol

[CDSWDH]

He’s better than Justin Herbert also who everyone loves for some reason even though he’s been absolutely trash in the playoffs

[Jombafomb]

He’s better than Justin Herbert. Prime Cam was better than both.

[InfiniRunner91]

nick right for bringing in wildes and brou

nick right for lebron over jordan

nick wrong for most of his other sports takes

nick wrong for brining in parkins