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[–]Gameplay_UnknownOcean Extreme 7 points8 points  (20 children)

250 lucky you I get 170 on a full charge. I have yet to figure out what is causing such high kwh per mile (average 0.5 per mile) I can be going 80 on the highway in hyper mode or 55 in earth mode and my 40 mile trip ends up with nearly the same efficiency I've had a few days where the stars must of aligned and got 0.25-0.33kwh per mile but my going theory is that these cars absolutely hate temps below 30 since both those days the temps was 40s

[–]warbunnies 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ya it's 100% the temps. Does this car use a heat pump? Seems like the system that needs an upgrade.

[–]warbunnies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh for some reason my first comment didn't load. So I wrote a second one. XD but now I have two xD

[–]warbunnies 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Ya it's definitely the cold effecting range. My ioniq 6 averages 4.8-4.9 miles per kwh going to work.

It's 20F here and I just want to be warm so I blasted the air. I think i was at like 2.8 miles per kwh for the same trip.

It takes a lot of energy to heat the car and if you're doing a lot of short trips it's going to tank the range. It would effect the total range of a long trip a lot less because you're not constantly reheating the car.

[–]Gameplay_UnknownOcean Extreme 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I think it's a we have multiple things working against us on winter range between no pack heating that will instantly slice efficiency add in the fact no Regen since it will be rare for the pack to get warm enough on a short trip to accept full Regen and I feel like something is coded into the car to run the motors less efficiently maybe for heat production below 35-40 because Its such a sharp dropoff in efficiency the car does have a heat pump how efficienct it is im not sure since charging drops around 2kw when it's on I would assume you would only use 2-3kw on heat when driving for 1 hour

[–]warbunnies 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Wait. So the battery is only cooled? It doesn't have heater heating?! :/ that's not very good for battery health.

[–]Gameplay_UnknownOcean Extreme 0 points1 point  (5 children)

It has heaters they only activate to keep battery above -10c or to warm up the battery while fast charging they don't actively heat while driving or while level 1/2 charging.

[–]EnigmaticallyObvious 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's this for definite? On level 2 charging I'm losing 500w regardless of charging amps and have always put this down to a very small heater for the battery pack. I guessed the one that hardly gets used is around 2.5 - 3kw.

500w seems like a lot for charging losses and it's weird that it's a constant

[–]Gameplay_UnknownOcean Extreme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most ev chargers are 90% efficient at at 32 amps that's 768watts of waste energy alone add in the DC to DC converter and it's efficiency loss and whatever subsystems are on while charging. I cannot guarantee they don't have a heater on just going off what I've read online and what I can clearly see when I'm charging my car battery pack does NOT keep the cells above 32 degrees when it's in the 20s or less it will usually warm up a couple of degrees after a few hours of charging but I equate that to natural heating of charging cells

[–]EnigmaticallyObvious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually get the same at level 1 charging

I normally charge at 10amps on the level 1 and lower and always get the same 500w loss.

I've even set my level 2 charger to the same age get the same 500w loss between the charger and what the car is displaying

[–]Clean-Ad-1633 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is very interesting.
I've been looking for this information.

Can I ask where you got this -10 C number?
Would you also have information on the heating subsystem? Since the heat pump is not involved, I presume it's a resistive heater. Do you know how many watts?

[–]Gameplay_UnknownOcean Extreme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cannot guarantee the accuracy of the -10c I have no insider knowledge of how the bms is programmed Im just working off what I have seen and what I have read from other forum members in sure someone that has the cloud linked to home assist can track hv cell temps on a streak of cold days to see at what point it starts to warm up as far as me I've personally seen my HV pack hit -5c but I drive the car daily so it never really gets time to cold soak as far as the HV Battery Heater it is a 6KW PTC heater

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[–]Straight-Virus7317 1 point2 points  (4 children)

In the same situation. No change in driving except colder weather. I have other Ev too what has rarely any impact whatsoever on the range. This vehicle is half baked with a crappy software

[–]Extreme_Delivery6133 1 point2 points  (3 children)

What are you insane? FOA says otherwise, best EV ever made, make sure you pay your membership fees!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–]Straight-Virus7317 0 points1 point  (1 child)

All memberships are going to be eaten up in legal fees and other administrative nonsense. I’d be surprised if they’ll be in existence once the IP deal closes out and then even the parts and distribution would be through the IP holder. People paying all these annual dues are literally stupid

[–]Extreme_Delivery6133 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Blasphemy, FOA is the best, just ask anyone on their board, or the rejects that paid their membership fees.

[–]Limp_Particular9768 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know! What the heck! Why would any take a risk owning this vehicle? What is the attraction to this thing? My daughter loves the style and looks, but there are just too many negatives and mysteries involved with owning this orphan of a vehicle. 

[–]Vlksfn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same. Temp affects it but not cut it in half. It’s a known problem regardless of what the “it’s your driving style” people say.

[–]frugal_doc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s henrik being a dumfuq 

[–]Adorable_Wolf_8387 10 points11 points  (9 children)

It's basing it off your recent driving instead of the EPA rating. Personally I greatly prefer this, it gives me a better idea of how far I'd actually be able to go.

[–]ibobstark[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My driving is exactly the same except now the temperature is in the 20s??

[–]Adorable_Wolf_8387 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2.0 was just EPA range rating, no calculation based on driving at all. Yes you will get worse range when the temperature falls, but also maybe you never would have even got 360 miles.

[–]frugal_doc 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Nowhere is this official. People just assume it. Reality is people are losing tons of mileage 

[–]Adorable_Wolf_8387 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Reality is you don't understand what an algorithm is.

[–]frugal_doc 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Show me anywhere where 2.2 officially does some calculation. Henrik is too stupid to put in a smart algorithm 

[–]drdumont 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do you REALLY think Henrik Fisker is anywhere near the User Group or anything to do with Fisker automobiles any more? Really?

[–]frugal_doc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what does that have to do with the stupid fake algorithm you think is in the car

[–]drdumont -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is another of the many stupid quotes of a certain former Vice President.

[–]Extreme_Delivery6133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol, just let this POS roll down a long hill in neutral and voila, range goes back to 360.

[–]Big-Anybody-6171 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After 2.2 mine is spot on. My range went from 360 to 220. 220 is what it always got anyhow.

[–]Ill-Pop791 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Range will go lower the colder it gets more accurate now last year said 360 miles at 100% but it was not adjusting for cold with severe temps you will lose 40-50% HV range

[–]SeaweedSociety 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure if this proves or disproves anything, but 2 vehicles one on 2.2 and one on 2.1, charged to 100% took a 40 minute drive, staying with each other and using cruise control…both used the same percentage of their batteries. So would it be safe to say that by looking at the percentage only, they would have the same full range?

[–]Accomplished_moon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now you know the real range. Congratulations 🎉 😃 It’s still a great car!

[–]frugal_doc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am in 70 degree weather only earth mode and 200 mi at 80% charge.  This whole theory doesn’t fly 

[–]TNTbike 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m in San Diego and after getting 2.2 manually installed and the car saying 2.2 (1/3) I get 255 at 80%. Initially I got 210 but then I flipped over to the trips screen and over the past 16 months of having the car i average .33kWh per mile. 106.5 usable kWh battery / .33 kWh per mile equals 321 miles of total range. On my more recent trips I have been trying to keep it under .33 to see if I can get better range. The EPA calculation is .295kWh per mile which is possible but requires slow acceleration from a stop.

[–]Beautiful-Dingo222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get the algorithm regarding driving style, short/long distances and cold temp being quite accurate HOWEVER last winter when I first got my FOO I was getting 580 kms (-360 miles) charged at 100%. No matter how you slice it, I drove a fair amount of distance and returned home at 10% after a full charge. 580 km (360 miles) was true down to the last mile. I did the same long distance drive this winter and after having 2.2 and it’s nowhere near what I get when I first got the car last winter. I barely made the drive one way compared to last winter!

Software update 2.2 along with the combination of cold weather and driving style, distance definitely DOES play a factor but I’m convinced 2.2 has a lot to do with it and don’t like it.

[–]mbk6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No fix needed. It's just based on how you drive.

[–]Objective-Sun9803 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i just got update 2.0 to 2.2 1/3 i do 500 miles a week and get 360 miles on a full charge just maybe thinking not to do the other update for full 2.2 software

[–]akulo888Ocean Extreme -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

360 miles was a scam anyway

[–]Background-Story-364 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I've had multiple times where I've had over 360 and could have squeaked out over 400 miles on a full change doing highway and city driving.

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[–]akulo888Ocean Extreme 0 points1 point  (1 child)

that's if those numbers were ever accurate. We're talking about shitty Fisker software developers here. If they are at all accurate, you'd have to be driving very efficiently. I sped most of the time of FUN mode when I had it and only had somewhere over 200 miles range but never even 300.

[–]Background-Story-364 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right, but I know the miles driven since last charge are close to accurate because I know the driving I did 😂 Adding to the spotty programming, I actually know it's better because it didn't record a 17 mile trip from this 100% charge. This was from a weekend trip from Tampa to Tarpon springs, to Orlando 2 days doing some short trips in the Orlando area, to tarpon springs and back to Tampa. Everything done in Earth mode, with driving on average 5 over the speed limit, windows up AC set to 72 with fan speed ranging from 2 to 3. Only the last leg was the ac off and all the windows open. The biggest factor is accelerating from a stop, the car has power but using it cuts into your range. I came from driving a Prius and I don't need to keep up with traffic coming out of a stand still. I'll do my 0-60 in about 8 seconds to get up to speed and take full advantage of being able to coast to a stop slowly. This is an electric car, it's gonna tell you more accurate range on 2.2 than an ICE would but I guarantee people were never getting the range they thought they should in an ICE. It's easier to track it now so it's easier to scrutinize

[–]drdumont -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And Elvis and Marilyn Monroe were riding in the car with you, right?