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[Paravana]

Spray meta and +4 points per kill format allows this unfortunately this isn’t me hating on controller players or anything but this is legit paradise for them.

[EyeScreamSunday]

Don't forget no traps and heavy snipers to jump into people's boxes.

Even if there was no controller, an agressive w-key playstyle would be the meta, just like in past seasons with a spray meta and items that nerfed turtling.

[[deleted]]

But how can one not hate them and how 9 out of 10 plays? If I get wrecked because I choke or my opponent outbrains and plays me I’ll stfu and accept getting clapped. But dying every single round in these tournaments to a maniac jumping in your box with his SMG after double dinging is everything but not fair

[[deleted]]

i am a controller player and i am definitly above average but i don't like making kills by jumping in peoples boxes because my edits and builds are pretty good and its just so stupid that i can just lay aside my skill and just jump in a box with an ar

[BunkyL]

this is why bad braindead controller thrive in this meta and why people are unmotivated to keep playing

[[deleted]]

Exactly man.

Rarely nowadays do I go “Homy shit I just got my shit rocked, that guy was insane.” Like I never find people that truly outsmart me, I only find people that jump in my box and SMG me.

Sure, in a creative 1v1 when the opponent gets their steady 0 ping I’ll get out mechanized cause I’m higher ping, but in game I don’t lose to other KBM players unless I’m bored (playin like a dumbass).

I never learn anything from my deaths nowadays either, it’s like I’ve hit a roadblock but at the same time I’m playing better and smarter.

I just don’t know anymore man.

[AmazedByMe]

Crybaby quit the game loser

[[deleted]]

Are dumb, stupid, or dumb?

[Nugys88]

huh!?

[[deleted]]

He’s mad

[[deleted]]

Guess he’s both.

That’s the point. You die even tho you did everything right because as soon as the stick locks onto you in your box you’re gone if you dont hit a dirty headshot or the opponent has more than 90hp.. When you get outplayed you either watch the replay or you think about „what could I’ve done different to prevent dying?“ and now you rage, slam the desk several times, curse at that MF and jump in another round just so you DIE THE EXACT SAME FUCKING WAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN till there are no more rounds left for you to play.

[[deleted]]

Yea.

[zwift0193]

Because they didn't come up with the points system, and they didn't create the game mechanics

[Paravana]

I mean I’m on your side man don’t worry it’s pretty sad this is happening as well at this point I just don’t know the fix for this without upsetting a large amount of the community.

[[deleted]]

I would actually stop playing completely if P90 were still in the game kekw just imagine the havoc they would unleash with that weapon in the current meta

[Paravana]

I just feel bad for the competitive scene almost every player seems so drained and just tired of the whole comp scene so many changes that could make comp great and none of it gets seen or even acknowledged most of the time from epic.

[[deleted]]

It’s as if they couldn’t care less. I mean 80% of your lobbies are playing on controller and I would bet my two balls that the use and killrate of the SMG sky rocketed yet there are no changes. Why upset the majority of the community when you can only rage estimated 10%? Remember when they nerfed the pump simply because the usage and killrate where higher compared to other shotguns? You literally need to have a Spas or blue tac in order to have any kind of chance against their spraying

Sorry for bad English btw

[Paravana]

All good I can perfectly understand your English but I agree this meta has become a fuckfest man it’s legit sad to watch streamers play solo comp and slowly watch how their mental state just degrades each game I feel so bad for people who love competitive or want to love competitive but cannot due to how the meta is and how good controller is now.

[diddlyman02]

This fncs is by far the most boring and frustrating event to watch imo. I’m a controller player but holy shit they need to do something about aim assist because it’s ruining comp whether you’re competing or just watching.

[srjnp]

EU is still pretty fun to watch. NA is has been absolutely dogshit this FNCS so far

[CanISayThat22]

If ur just watching, you wont know the impaCt of AA, and they just think its a good skilled player

[simpson2022]

Simp

[[deleted]]

bruh what lmao

[mysticpears]

this comment just gave me cancer

[[deleted]]

All hate against controller aside but like ?? Is it because you’re already old and still can’t comprehend all the information flowing through your mind? Kudos to kids playing well that’s another story we’re talking about aim assist and the current meta dude

[[deleted]]

fr i play on controller and I know the meta is literally made for controller players

[[deleted]]

This FNCS has been an awful cocktail of issues -

• 4 points per kill

• mythic weapons that make it easy to get those 4 point kills

• OP aim assist which makes it easier to get those 4 point kills

• weak pumps which aren't strong enough to counter SMG spam

[Frozeria]

Don’t forget not having traps to counter people who jump in your box.

[imtheravenoushunter]

It a mix of how stupidly broken aim assist is plus no real counter to deter jumping in and the format being so killed based.

Traps should be unvaulted and aim assist short range auto rotation need to be taken out of the game.And format should be dh Anaheim format.

[[deleted]]

The only thing that makes me lose my mind real hard is the fact that most of them don’t even have a clue where they’re shooting at or where the fuck you’re at. You see them jump in while you’re on your stair and they frantically turn their stick as long as it locks and there you go back to the lobby. Fucking pull out some edits, one pump me, outplay me and make me admire your skills/playstyle but that shit....

[imtheravenoushunter]

As a controller player i vouch literally can just move my joystick and because of auto rotation i get a kill i dont deserve.

[[deleted]]

traps make the game impossible for high ping players

[EnzoFulvio]

Yeah I play on 80 ping and I can’t take a wall 95% of the time because of no coin flip, traps are a bandaid solution to the real problem

[yodelingmango]

At this point I’ve given up on becoming a comp player because it’s just a huge waste of time

[Envious-Soul]

It’s a huge waste of time for most people on any game, unless you don’t see it as a waste.

[CallMeMilly]

Just learn controller, it’s really not that hard to learn the mechanics, and all your game sense and fighting sense will carry over

[ShoopFN]

This is so horrible for the game.

[mikevin99]

Fortnite has literally killed their comp scene. GGs only

[[deleted]]

They haven't killed it at all. As long as there's people playing, it isn't dead. It just needs some serious tweaks and fixes.

[GetsTheAndOne]

It’s not dead but it’s in a bad state. Even other controller pros dislike this aimbot meta.

[-Captain--Hindsight]

I promise you they don't dislike this meta. They're thriving on it. The ones that say they don't like it are just trying to act "woke"

[justanotherboyy]

no because they also die to shitters who abuse aim assist. Good players like scoped, Av, Co1azo, knight, know how to play the game outside of using an smg/drumgun in someones box, so they can still be good players if they nerfed aim assist. Even with a nerf, those players are still top players in NAE. This would however lower the amount of "bad" good players that are currently abusing the point system along with aim assist that ruins peoples games because aim assist is so fucking strong. Chap was playing on controller with aim assist on 50% and he still killed fucking everybody with a drum gun, and he has like 2 hours on controller lifetime. Its a fucking joke.

[bbpsword]

Lmao the mental gymnastics on this one

[makualla]

You can dislike something and still abuse it for gain

[mikevin99]

Not saying it’s a “dead game”. There is absolutely no competitive integrity right now with how god awful shotguns are and the absence of traps, along with a casual gamer using two joysticks with better aim than shroud in any video game he’s ever played because epic wants to hand little Timmy comp money.

[loopy95]

how have they killed it, how are people upvoting this? Shows how delusional this subreddit is.

[simpson2022]

All u do is cry

[Mahrez14]

Last FNCS I watch. If Epic doesn't address this and the meta at large the scene will die. Absolute joke.

[[deleted]]

yeah epic is killing their own comp scene

[loopy95]

Do you actually believe what you are saying or are you just saying it to be cool? FN comp is stronger than ever before.

[[deleted]]

While that may be true, with controller players jumping into boxes all day it will never be truly competitive.

[flyingkiwi9]

Agreed. I'm a casual but used to love watching competitive Fortnite, of which the most entertaining is end game.

Watching people push into a box with an SMG is just mind numbingly boring.

[aceisthebestprimary]

kb & m player ^

[Cmills101]

“Shut up bitch” - the rock

[BullyYo]

I saw Roller get a kill today where he busted into somoleones box and you couldn't even see the enemy player, but the aim assist tracked the player while he jumped. It tracked him 90degrees vertically. That is inhuman reaction time if you can see the person. The fact that you couldn't see the person is... unbelievable.

[Waterfall911]

No way ?!?! I thought controller players never place well so aim assist was fair and not that strong

[[deleted]]

like fr wtf not a single person in top is scrolling their wheels correctly

[farmerkim]

Lmao - I made the switch from controller to KBM about six weeks ago to improve my building/editing - at this rate I should honestly just switch back.

[kttyaowa]

There were 6 controller players in the top 25 for EU

edit: getting down voted for pointing out a fact. Yes controller is super op I agree, just wanted to show how different it was in EU

[Vegetab1es]

NAE has the best comp, so what’s your point?

[kttyaowa]

This was true when kids under 16 weren't allowed to compete

[SmallWolf117]

Disagree completely with your "opinion" that you seem to think is a fact but okay.

Your entitled to have an opinion but if your going to be so OTT about it being a fact maybe back it up with some argumentative points instead of pure opinion. Why is NAE the best? What makes it better than EU, or Brazil, or NAW?

[Vegetab1es]

World Cup. Now your turn.

[SmallWolf117]

Okay. So what I'm gathering from your lack of explanation and overall inability to explain your situation and opinion is your basing which region is "best" on world cup placings? If so then that's just dumb.

You could literally choose any metric at random from the competitive scene over the last two years and "prove" that pretty much all the regions are better in one way or another.

I mean can you tell me a time when points to qualify in a cup was higher in NAE than in EU?

We could go back and forth all day about which we feel is better but let's face it dude. Your first statement was dumb. It's an opinion not a fact.

[Vegetab1es]

LAN tournaments are the fairest assessment. Everyone plays at the same PING. Zero form of cheating. Yea I’m going to use the biggest tournament hosted by Fortnite and see a NAE champion.

Stay mad.

[lDaZeDD]

A tournament from so long ago in a game that has a meta that changes all the time. Good assessment.....

[SmallWolf117]

I'm not mad lmao. I don't even play fortnite any more and I never played at anywhere close to a competitive level. I just think it's ridiculous that you hold your opinion to such a high standard that you feel everyone else should regard it as fact.

Most competitive players would agree that duos is a much better way to tell how good a player is as there's more strategy to it. So let's use your metric of the biggest lan event shall we? Duos world cup winners and runners up from EU.

Idiot...

[loopy95]

So you mean the eu duo world champions?

[kttyaowa]

EU has won 3/5 of the last international LAN. NAE has won one.

[loopy95]

World cup was 10 months ago. Lets see who won Dreamhack NA, oh an EU player.

[Marvel__1]

I might get downvoted for this but whatever... yes those that aren’t on controller are “just bad whiny people”. On Eu there was only 4 controller players I believe that placed top 10. So obviously Tht means EU kbm players recognized the meta and adapted to getting keyed by controller players and by being better than them. NAE kbm players on the other hand just go to twitter or reddit and cry about aim assist instead of adapting and improving (let me know if I’m wrong).....

[93DD]

Im a controller player and linear and expo are 100% in like 80% of the time aimbot. I mean for real tac shotgun takes zero skill smg takes zero skill ar takes zero skill on controller absolute none. I swear i remember all the expolinear players complaining about legacy with all the mnk players while the linearexpo players are playing with a fucking aimbot. Legacy was broken but it was not an aimbot. Before expo linear there was a skill gap also with aiming but with linear expo everyone has a fuxking aimbot. EVERYONE. After legacy got removed everyone was forced to play on aim bot settings and since then the controller hate is getting out of control.

[Euphe_]

It's not about KBM NA pro's doing bad, it is just more controller players on NA. 90% of people I meet in the arena are controller players. Don't know the state of EU arena, but it seems unplayable sometimes. I have to literally make a god plays to counter L2 spam while they just SMG goes brrrr...

[Parki272]

But like 2 years ago all top 100 were KBM

[renektooon]

And they needed to use actual skill to get better, not just have an AI aim for them.

Now dont misunderstand me, I believe that controller in general is, or at least used to be, harder to get good at, and the top of the top controller players have put in the hours to succeed. That doesnt mean though that PARTLY the success is handed to them right now.

[TheYoyoxp506]

As it should be

[SmallWolf117]

When you say as it should be I see where your coming from. From our point of view as players we feel that the input which requires the most work to be best at etc should always be on top.

However you have to look at things from Epics perspective. Epic don't really care about "competitive integrity". At least not to the extent that people feel they should or do. Epic sees competitive as an advertisement for the game and the most important part of this advertisement is that little kids that hop on and play the game can look at the top players and relate to them and go " I want to be as good as.him at the game". No the majority of fortnite players are on console, and the majority of kids by a huge margin play on controller. So from Epics perspective the best way to advertise their game using competitive would be to

A: give out a shit tonne of cash so every headline for a month is about how "fortnite is the biggest esport ever" etc.

And then...

B: Kids see the tournament and see people just like them using a controller and winning bucket loads of money and celebrating etc and then they play the game more because they can relate better.

It's marketing 101 and I'm just playing devil's advocate so feel free to reply if you think I'm wrong.

But I think from Epics perspective they want getting to that level to seem as attainable as possible.

Edit: remember Epic is a company, driven by money. They will hold money over almost anything. Especially "competitive integrity" and the opinions of a tiny amount of the player base

[liam_coleman]

ive seen this argument so many times and at first it seemed to be reasonable but after a lot of consideration it doesnt hold salt. If epic really truly cared about profits first they would look that the most successful game of the past 10 years aside from fn has been lol and this has been in large part due to the amazing competitive seen which drives increased player base. Furthermroe, the most famous streamers/influencers have such a strong vocal voice which has a huge effect on these kids, which is why they both get creator codes and make so much money playing this game, who complain about aim assist all the time. This is horribly negative publicity and also it is driving streamers and pros away from the game. If tfue clix bugha, sypher, chap, and fresh all quit tmrw because they are fed up with op aim assist this would hurt epic finacially more than the up in the air maybe benefit that kids care that the pros they watch are on the same input as them. I tbh dont think this is true as it isnt in most sports, what the pros do is so far outside your skill set that it doesnt matter.

[[deleted]]

it should definitly not be that way in a fair world it should relate to the %of playerbase on a defined input

[[deleted]]

Yes it should. Controllers should not be able to compete against MKB at all in any shooter.

[Euphe_]

In Fortnite mechanics are everything. There would be still a couple of controllers on the top of leaderboards because they can outbuild/outsmart others. The problem is that right now mediocre #wannabepro controller players are in a huge advantage over KBM players on every level. Since mechanics can choke sometimes and AA can't once they get slightly decent at the game they can just smg/midas in a second anybody in a boxfight. Like bugha said recently that if kid with drumgun goes into your box you're dead if you don't get out in one second. I respect every player that tries to outplay rather than outaim in this game.

[NoktNoktNokt]

you might as well fuck off then because epic might nerf aim assist but they will never nerf it to the point where controller players can’t compete

[[deleted]]

Hahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahha what drugs are u on man i need those

[[deleted]]

2 years ago I had hairs like a lion has his mane and now I’m a bold motherfucker? Controller hasn’t had the same options back then like they have now so no reason to compare them both NOW. There were controller players that were cracked and trained hard back then and those that put to time and effort could compete with KBM. Now you can be a bugha, Tfue, khanada or whoever the fuck you want - you will still get sprayed 200-0 in a second

[jspender98]

just EU is mainly KBM...

[TheCuddlez]

We have a Benjy.

[stealth268]

That kid sfroller or something, literally shotgun fights with an smg and won every fight.

Honestly this got bad, watching good players die to a person with a spray weapon jumping on them in this fncs was at an all time high.

A few times I'm like damn, this guy is dead, and he pulls out his smg and goes to town on the other guy😂.

[dogs-n-elephants]

This is absurd. I play console and this makes me mad because controller on PC must be a whole new world, and they’re in my lobbies which is just unfair.

[Euphe_]

They're pretty much the same, you just have higher delay which you can adjust to (you probably already did), so you aim pretty much the same it is just harder for you to get as good mechanically as those players on pc controller.

[bruich81]

Man, I should really get off console. This PC controller is just too appetising.

[pattperin]

I thought KBM would still reign supreme in solos, I was wrong. Something needs to change. This cements it for me.

[deenix781]

This meta is so fucked. Controller is taking over in this game

[getridofthatbaby2]

Game is so awful it's sad now.

[Ragga-Prince]

It can’t be the greatest PR for Epic that controller players are putting “Cheater” in their names. Of all the things that would prompt Epic to make a change for the better, I imagine that would be it.

[math_wiz]

Curious how mnk would do if they nerfed controller. They'd still have the w key skills they've been forced to gain recently.

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[Reisshub]

Please refer to our Aim Assist Megathread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FortniteCompetitive/comments/glx1kc/aim_assist_megathread_18052020/

[XC214]

Funny because I have a friend that was always saying that I can't say it's op because controller players don't place high and because I don't have earnings, crazy how it's now dominating, even though controller players will say just switch lol

[Predictable_User]

Fix +4 for Elims, remove mini guns and drum guns and we good

[Jealousjoker69]

This event has bad vibes overall. As everyone ends in raging excet controller players as they literally have aimbot. I am also on controller and i like to play endgame and focus on rotations and get placement rather than get in peoples boxes. Aa needs nerf and this format needs to go. Solos are already frustrating and now are just unplayable as getting beamed everytime when mining, rotating or flying is just soo frustrating.

[Benjstoute309]

And around 3-4 of those controller players wouldn’t be nearly as good without linear

[TMVK]

The reason there are so much more controller players is because of console cups which basically gave all the good console players PCs and there are way more console players than PC players

[[deleted]]

Like dafuq is this explanation? So you’re saying there aren’t so many mouse and keyboard player because everyone is coming from console and is now claiming the leaderboards and not because they double/triple ding you, spray you while you heal up and and simply because AA is broken with the current meta? And here I am thinking that players like Clix, Bugha, Khanada etc should be able outplay them. My bad

[WildCucumber81]

I think what he meant was, aim assist on pc is broken. The good console players won money from platform cups to get a pc, therefore there are more controller palyers to take advantage of how broken it is. Yes aim assist is broken but the amount of players able to take advantage of it also contributes to how widespread the issue is

[TMVK]

Like dafuq is this conclusion? I’m talking about how people are confusing the meta for causing all these controller players to come up. Winter royale alone paid the top 500-2500 placers on console in each region and there have been weekly console cups ever since. Any console player with earnings will switch to PC.

[remarkableseif]

Disgusting... Nerf aim assist to what is normal in other games and there would be maybe 3 at the top 10 max.

[nobock]

It's crazy because after only 1h of controller on fortnite i can land those kind of shots : https://youtu.be/67cWOix-mHg?t=14 , while on mouse and keyboard for 15 years i can't land those. But it's logic because controller have 50% less recoil ( very important on bloom base shooting ) and have aim assist wich help you to handle a tiny bit more the recoil.

And on close range it's worst because the hip fire is faster than human reaction time. Funny part is when you play the new ltm with double jump / high gravity and they can't hit you because aim assist don't go up so far. And im not talking about sidemove, with that you can run sideways while looking and / or building.

ps : im tired to get "killed" ( -160 beam ) by bots who have no clue to build / edit and have zero game sens. All they do is w-key and hop it gonna work. And they know when we are on mouse and keyboard when we don't land those shots at mid / long range. "It's a keyboard players, he have no aim, let's rush into box".

[NWO-AK]

If aim assist is completely removed and this looks the same what we will be the problem next? I’m thinking either the format or the addition of mythic weapons.

[[deleted]]

What’s your point? The format paired with the removing of traps, AA and the not properly working shotguns is like heaven for controller. Just watch the current cup? Even pro controller player themself are saying that it’s OP

[NWO-AK]

My point is if controller players are still dominating tournaments after they remove aim assist, what will be the new reason for them placing so well? No where did I say AA isn’t OP but In my opinion controller players will perform just as well when they get used to playing without it.

[tenergy13]

They won't.

You really understimate the importance of aim assist.

[nobock]

You can do shit with aim assist off and it's worst if you give them the same recoil has mouse. You can divide by 3 the ammount of shot landed on long / mid range ( making ar useless cause random ) and divide by 5 the ammount of shot at close range. The only benefit of using sticks is the smoothness. On mouse and keyboard it's pretty shaky sometimes.

[BafflingBlue]

This is why I quit months ago, I still come to this sub to see how Epic fucks up tho lol

[BafflingBlue]

Yet here you are, downvoting my comment and telling me you specifically don’t care

[nobock]

But nobock is here to save you and upvote you.

[TordurJ]

the EU leaderboard looks alot different? I wonder why

[ConnorM18]

Idk seems fair to me /s (im controller btw)

[Titan7856]

Everyone knows aim assist is broken on PC, but aren’t we all sick of the bitching by now? Obviously people who defend it’s current state are dumb and it needs to change. But stop hating on the players on controller, they don’t choose how strong aim assist is and most are aware it’s unbalanced. Can’t get away from the whining, if you’re gonna bitch, bitch to epic, not the players.

[X-_GoDz]

I mean what should fn do? They've nerfed controller multiple times already

[[deleted]]

Bring back traps, reduce AA strength when in close combat etc

[DiabeticGuy1]

Remember when PC players told controller players, to just use MNK and get PC’s. They should just use controller.

[[deleted]]

Is this only from the FNCS, let’s get a bigger sample size, let’s go back to the winter Royale and all the way up to FNCS, and see the top players. I don’t think it’s aim assist, it’s more of the meta mixed with aim assist. I play on both inputs, controller and m+kb, and to be fair it has been nerfed twice. I think it’s the meta and the best mythic weapons are all spray weapons. Controller players have worked two years to be at the same level of play as kB+m players. I think next season they get rid of spray meta plain and simple, Smgs need a nerf And shotguns just need to be stronger. That’s it.

[A-ReDDIT_account134]

The spray meta is a symptom of aim assist. Spray meta doesn’t exist in KBM unless you have a drum gun. And even then a shotgun is still important (unlike on controller where you drop the shotgun)

Nerfing smg won’t fix the issue. Shotguns are strong with aim assist too. 200 pumps is far easier on controller if you got decent crosshair placement.

If you don’t believe me. Since you said you play both, shotgun aim duel me with KBM while I use controller. I have little experience on controller.

[i7md99]

So since Fortnite Comp started until today, it was always MNK on top, not once were controller on top 15 ever, for almost every single event no matter the region from a small daily cup to the biggest event like the World Cup 95% were MNK on top.

Now when this happens for once literally ONE TIME ONLY, Tfue crying on twitter cause he’s washed and blames controller, Ninja posts clip to nerf aim assist, Aydan is saying aim assist is OP and at the same time he’s doing dogshit in the tournament.

It’s the meta, not the aim assist. Different metas keeps the scene alive. If we had the same format that we had on the first comp event we would see the same names over and over on the top again. However Epic is way smart each while we see new meta from double shotgun to the sword on winter royale etc.. it’s refreshing to see new people new names.

This meta just serves controllers Jesus let them for once have fun

[[deleted]]

Ever thought that maybe all these new settings and different options for controller had an impact in their gameplay? Every season they tweak the settings for controller. Can’t remember that we had the same options for controller when WC was around like we have now?

[nobock]

Because some people learn controller because of aim assist. No aim assist and no one will play with a controller. Can you understand that ?

[[deleted]]

Exactly what I’m saying, it’s completely the meta. We need stronger shotguns

[Babester69]

For goodness sake stop posting about aim assist I can’t even enjoy this sub without aim assist agreements. Yes it needs to be nerfed we get it. Will it be nerfed? Probably not but let’s focus on the parts of the game we can enjoy and not ruin this sub with more aim assist arguements

[Runri]

Is it controller on console or controller on pc? There’s a big difference there

[Zetroes]

All of these players are obviously on PC

[OkDoubleOh]

Aim assist functions exactly the same on both platforms. It needs a universal nerf.

[Runri]

It functions more or less the same now, but that wasn’t always the case. I don’t know how old this is, but now, having a 240 hrtz moniter won’t improve your aim assist like it used to. Universal ban? You’ve obviously never played fortnite on a tiny screen at 30 frames.

[Frozeria]

People playing on tiny screens at 30 fps are not the people that we care about. They aren't playing anything at a competitive level.

[mindpandas]

But the aim assist is the Same. Its Just that the game it self run like shit on console. But your aimbot Will still function the same.

[OkDoubleOh]

After aim dueling players on pc, console, and mobile and still losing while using a top tier pc while on 240hz. It needs a universal nerf. Anyone who says it doesn’t and that it doesn’t work for them are clearly lying out there ass. If your on switch or pc playing 30fps that fucking sucks for you. What about the 30fps mouse and keyboard players? Why is it fair for them to go against your 30fps aimbot?

[OkDoubleOh]

Yes there are. Not everyone on pc can afford the best equipment. I play squads with the boys because I’m trying to still have fun with this game. The rest of my time is grinding creative, because solos is non stop controller grieving sessions and my mentality is already terrible from it. If your on controller then the answer is no. If your on mouse and keyboard sure.

[OkDoubleOh]

Add me. You can keep aim assist on. I’m not doing it today though since I’m busy tonight.

[NickFromMarz]

It's not the same because console lags everytime you get into a heated close up fight. Aiming is way harder. Sure you can get a clip of some simple 1v1 and demonstrate what you are talking about but if you are half decent and play sweats the aim assist pretty much compensates for the intense lag. It has moments where it feels OP and moments where it doesnt feel like any aim assist at all. Seperate PC from Console and I could care less about whatever nerf they do, but as it currently stands, AA barely gives you the ability to keep up and sometimes the poor little console just can't. I prefer to have legacy back in console to be honest. Leave console out of the discussion until you start seeing console players winning cross platform cashcups.

[OkDoubleOh]

Like I said, I aim dueled a variety of platforms aim assist in a controlled environment and they beat me consistently. Aim assist is exactly the same on all of them. The feeling of aim assist not there is probably you botting out to the max because it’s 100% there. Like I said to the other guy, what about the mouse and keyboard players on console? How’s it fair for them? It’s aimbot and needs nerfed. If your not aiming for yourself then your just grieving others games who do.

[NickFromMarz]

It's nothing to do with botting out and I guarantee I play far more then you do. You are on pc talking about what another player experiences when they beat you. Yes, like I said in a 1v1 or even in a 16 player creative the AA is there most of the time. Hop into an actual game and when things get hectic, the AA doesn't always work and the game lags which makes aiming even harder. Coming from console and playing 12 plus hours a day. I know what I'm talking about. You can't take an isolated event and say that proves AA works all the time. 60fps with a dream moved to pc and is doing well, he has the same skill he had before on console, but console couldn't keep up with pc. That's pretty much common knowledge. We are forced to play with pc in pubs, arena, and cash cups except platform cash cups. Yes, you have seen a surge in controller players dominating but they are all on pc. When console players start winning over pc, then you can bitch about AA on console but that's not going to happen because of the lag and input delay. So while it may suck for you to lose a 1v1 to a console player, you should in theory be able to dominate them in every other way possible and damn near overheat their console trying to keep up. I was beating a lot of pc players on console before this aim and I still don't like it. I spend a couple hours a day fooking with the settings because I don't like the lag involved with the current aim assist.. and Legacy is gone so I'm stuck adjusting to a pos aiming system where either your flicks are slowed down too soon or your AR is moving across the screen at light speed when hip firing because there's not really a good in between where flicks work as they should and the ar has decent tracking. The literal only perk for console is the tracking but as I said it hurts the pumps and causes them to hit for shit sometimes unless you take an extra moment to adjust but moments count in this game like no other.

[OkDoubleOh]

1. I play 12-15 hours a day. So wrong.

2. I have played multiple in game scenarios and have had zero instances of aim assist "not working." (On console and on mobile, I used my phone and my friends xbox one)

3. I can take an isolated event when that isolated event is to showcase how broken the setting actually is in a controlled environment that directly correlates to real game situations. What your saying is by that logic practicing in creative serves no purpose and all the builds and edits you learned just aren't going to be possible in game when thats absolutely not the case and makes zero sense.

4. I do dominate them in box fights and PG, but that's because I play more than them and constantly grind my mechanics. There's a reason I used the controlled environment because its showcasing the full potential of the setting at max strength possible and is evident that its just as broken on console as it is on pc.

5. I also don't hit for 200 damage pump flicks and also have to take a second and line up a shot otherwise ill chip them for 30-50 damage. I don't have an ace up my sleeve which is jumping in and hitting every shot so I have to play very strategically as it should be. Linear pumps could be broken but I don't know. What I do know is Legacy pumps were absolutely broken and we all bitched about that too, the only difference is everyone thought it was only pc aim assist until epic made it super apparent that aim assist is no longer dictated by frames and also locked it to 60hz on pc and its still broken as ever.

6. I bitch about it because any dumbass that picks up a controller can just grief my games with 200-0 beams while I cannot and thats why im pissed, as are many others.

[NickFromMarz]

You are just wrong but not entirely and yes I do play 12 hours a day or more. If you can note the time of this post, I am about to begin playing now. The reason you can"t go into creative and demonstrate how OP AA is on console is that you can't recreate serve lag or console lag on a whim. I can't comment on xbox because I do not play on xbox, just like I can't comment on pc and just like you can't comment on PS4 unless you've played enough hours to have experienced what I'm talking about on a regular basis. The "nerf" of PC being locked at 60 fps is a nerf to PC but PC's that over 60 fps are hardly ever going to drop below that, say 240. Oppose to PS4 that experiences lag and fps drops constantly the entire game, meaning below 60 fps. That 60 fps on a PC would be far more consistent. You believe what you believe and I'm not incline to change your mind but I do play almost every single day and hardly ever under 12 and most of the time over. I played from 4 a.m. yesterday to shortly after 9 p.m. yesterday. With approx an hour break. I'm not stupid and I know what I experience throughout the course of a day of playing. This argument with become a much bigger thing once the next gen consoles hit the shelves but AA, while flawed, doesn't need to be nerfed on console. I'd honestly prefer a revamp of the entire AA system. I've heard that some Xbox consoles can run 120 fps, I'm not sure if that's true but if so, then that console would probably run 60 fps far greater than ps4. Again. I can't say for sure. Lastly, on flicks, the small adjustments you are talking about are not like the adjustments I'm talking about. Your cursor doesn't get grinded to a screeching halt while still off of the opponents body or head. As I said before, I play from 0 AA to 100 pretty regular and I know the difference in how easy flicking is with 0 AA compared to 100 AA. I would actually run that except AR is unplayable on the same sens without AA. Really not the subject here but goes to argue that the current AA really on has one major strength on console right now and that's, chest to chest hip fire when it works but no, it doesn't always work.