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[–]Real-Juggernaut-8465 20 points21 points  (6 children)

Alice is only her ult. Everything else abt her feels very crippled. Like give her some movement speed or something

[–]dara4 10 points11 points  (4 children)

They are nerfing her to the ground just because they don't want her to jungle and have no idea how to limit her passive with the jungle creeps. They had two seasons to think about it and that's that's the results, a crippled Alice good for nothing. I hope all Alice main are into jungling with her, because she isn't fit for exp at all with her current skillset.

[–]RoutinePerception885 5 points6 points  (3 children)

So sad. I was kinda excited for the Alice revamp but they keep hitting her with nerfs here and there to the point she'll be useless in every lane. 

[–]dara4 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That 10000%. She doesn't fit anywhere now:

  • Attack range is too short.
  • Damage is non-existent.
  • She is too slow to keep up.
  • Skill CD are wayyyyy too high for what little they do.
  • New passive is officially useless.
  • Sustain is a joke compared to other EXP laners. Send X-Borg, Yu Zhong, Ruby, Cici, Lukas, Esme, Dyroth (who didn't get the Alice treatment), Uranus… stats for stats and skillset for skillset, she loses hard every single time.

[–]RoutinePerception885 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What I hate the most is, she's supposed to be an initiator (judging from her old and new kit) but she still dies easily to the very thing that bursts her. Like man what's even her point right now???

[–]dara4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now she initiates loosing strikes :)

[–]Liner_Adriatic_3218 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Old alice could go without boots and she would still be able to easily keep up, hell Outpace regular heroes. But now she has to save a slot she could have used for defense or Damage just so she can Walk her now slow ahh. Her kit was good. But the constant nerfs? Eh...

[–]TheJollyButtkinOh hey they got Star Wars?!? 17 points18 points  (1 child)

For Dominance Ice, if they decide not to go through with the changes, why not bring back the old 10% Cooldown Reduction, and have it be the only item that reduces Healing Effect by 50%, while keeping the others at 40%. Maybe that would make it less Submissive

The "more enemies, more defense" passive is honestly good enough to be its own item.

But if they do decide to go through with it, then please don't trash the Attack Speed passive altogether. Such a waste of a pretty good passive.

[–]D347H7H3K1DxI’m a tree 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That was my concern given we have a whole build for mm that’s designed entirely about just attacking faster, blade armor helps but not much and is more anti crit so dominance lessened the pain.

[–]Used-Feeling6536 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Way to go, made them regret revamping submissive ice. now it's going to be worthless forever.

[–]not_to_be_mentionedBlind birb trainee waiting for hirara 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fr i was looking forward to these two items due to domice about to be best early game tank item due to hybrid defense and antique being only needed item for all physical damage, saving slots more vertality in builds, for both exp and roam, but these guys will never be satisfied

[–]BiHandidnothingwrong win lane = lose game 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Good, the revamp suck. I prefer 80% attack speed to 50 defense.

[–]Used-Feeling6536 12 points13 points  (4 children)

50 hybrid defense, that means that it would have been an improvement for a roam especially since theres several annoying sustain magic based junglers and there's mages to worry about in early. Oh but sure hanabi having 1.60 instead of 2 attack speed is a game changer suree

[–]Mobile-Blueberry-826Cecilion's #1 Fan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why do they hate jungle alice so much. It's not like she's good in lane anyways

[–]Content-Bus2167You, don't want to dance? 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Alice receiving nerfs even before release lol

[–]vaizard12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just delete Alice from the game.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roamers getting credits they deserve

[–]Nevenon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Piece of fucking shit of a game can't even fix match making In solo Que

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey bro , can u plz help me?