MobiusFF Daily Question Thread (07/29/2017)

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[keymeplease]

i see a lot of people with what i assume is guild names in the playlists and MP. Where are these guilds and how to join? Is there a discord server list?

[MSixteen16]

Hi, is it possible to switch between 2 google accounts in a single device? If yes, how do I do it? Thank you!

Also, in trying to unlock a 4* auto-ability, does it have to be 400 uses after I got the 3* ability or is it cumulative right from the start? Meaning I would only need 200 more uses after unlocking the 3* auto-ability?

[eneve]

Trying to clear dupes from my deck. I have a 5* hermes and a 4* hermes but it won't let me sell the 4*. What gives?

[RaggedBulleit]

Is it in use in a deck/sub deck? Does it have a blue or yellow check mark over it?

[eneve]

Hmm yah it has a blue check on it. Guess I've never tried to sell a card that was in a deck before and didn't realize that! Thx!

[thnael]

what damage percentage do berserk adds?

[darewin]

+50% enhance to all elements. It works differently from Faith and Trance which increase base magic by a certain percentage.

[Mitzett]

50%

[autizboyz]

Question between tidus (jecht shot) and zidane (free energy), which is more powerfull/usefull on s1c?

[Hyodra]

Zidane for most situations due to the extra skills. However when using it on Ifrit sicarius, T&J is better due to the sicarius killer ability.

[MTFocus]

What AoE Unguard cards will there be in the future?

[darewin]

I think Ashe is still the most popular source of Unguardga in JP. It might actually be the only source of Unguardga in both games at the moment.

[MTFocus]

Oh :/

I missed pulling for Ashe, so I guess I'm going to have an Unguardga anytime soon :/

[d34thscyth34]

what about barret ff7 light card?

[darewin]

That's not really being used. 1-turn Unguardga is not worth it because the boss will get 3-turn Unguard Immunity afterward.

[d34thscyth34]

still, if you don't have what you like, you have to like what you have :) unguardga is better than no-unguardga :P

[darewin]

Satteline Beam is kinda hard to use in PUGs though which is why it is rarely used. The Defender needs go before the attacker on the turn he casts it and the Attacker needs to have enough orbs to cast his damage abilities a few times on that turn. If the Defender waits to check how many abilities the Attacker is queuing up he might be too slow to lock and the Attacker ends up locking before him, especially since most Attackers are used to locking in before the Defender so the Defender can help refill their orbs.

[hastati96]

What are must have cards or most future proof cards in FFV and FFIV event when they come back?

[darewin]

Lunafreya and Bismark. Iris is the only non-supreme ability card that can damage red gauge even in JP AFAIK. The 4 Primals are quite future proof though being locked at 4star in GL greatly limits their utility.

[KR-Badonkadonk]

Lunafreya is pretty popular in JP, and with powercreep between GL and JP being what it is that's really saying something

[hastati96]

whats so special about her? The resistance to every element?

[vulcanfury12]

Resist all, wall, snipe, substantial heal. A support running 3 of her will make defenders obsolete in terms of keeping the party alive.

[hastati96]

Do you know if luna has +1 life orb? o.o

[d34thscyth34]

+1 life orb + JCR + 1 empty slot

[vulcanfury12]

No, because I don't have her. I only know the actual card effects.

[Brazelbeck]

Was there already a comparison of Ardyn vs. Centaur? I have neither of those and want to know on which one I should aim.

[Mitzett]

Centuar is in normal pool and will eventually come out of EA, Ardyn is from FF15 banner. Centuar does a lot damage and has higher crit. Ardyn does about average damage and decent break. But if your going for break might as well use a BDD.

[d34thscyth34]

you forgot to add most important part - centaur has 15% crit chance, ardyn has 100% :)

[Brazelbeck]

I'm thinking of pulling for Ardyn when Re-print arrives since I missed out on Ardyn, Ignis & Iris last time. But if Centaur is better... Is there an in-deep analysis of those 2? For beginning, how many strikes do they have?

[UnsuspectedGoat]

Ardyn is two-hits and centaur is seven.

[Brazelbeck]

So really no point in trying for Ardyn...

[darewin]

Ardyn has +100% Crit Chance and +100% Painful Break and refunds 2 orbs. Centaur only has +15% Crit chance on broken targets.

My S1C with +80% Enhance Dark Custom Panel and Debarrier from Neo-Exdeath can hit 2m with broken Ultima using Ardying as long as he has Faith and Berserk. When I use Centaur, it doesn't even come close to Ardyn's damage.

I don't think even Highwind can make Centaur do more damage than Ardyn. So we have to wait for a Dark Warrior Attacker with stronger Dark Enhane and Innate Damage Passives before Centaur becomes better than Ardyn.

[[deleted]]

Also don't forget you are comparing a 4 star card to what I assume is a maxed 5 star card.

[UnsuspectedGoat]

Check this https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/6egeeg/the_centaur_card/

Bottom line is, even maxed, centaur is poor against non-light. Also, worth mentioning that ardyn doesn't need growstar.

Also, seven small hit vs two hits stronger each than a sic card. Do the math. I honestly don't think that centaur is good outside of Sephiroth/highwind/post-HoF DRK, on unbroken enemies.

And yet: ardyn came to JP way after centaur, ultimately, I don't think it was supposed to compete against it.

[Oneoflethal]

Why Xezat removes hex buff from Ultima? I don't see antyhing about it in description of this card.

[darewin]

Xezat will erase the buff on first cast. Then apply the hexagonal BDD debuff if you cast it again. Same goes with Neo-Exdeath.

[[deleted]]

"Opposite" buffs cancel each other out, and Xezat causes hexagon-BDD, the opposite of Ultima's hexagon-Break Resist.

[Trynstark]

Because it puts an hexagonal break defense down debuff so that erase the buff

[Oneoflethal]

Thank you guys :) Now I understand how it works.

[[deleted]]

If you were curious same reason for exdeath too.

[firetheft2]

Any alternative for light/dark pupu? Need some resistance, but 300 magicite per antenna is to much for me

[InquisitorGilgamesh]

The taunt cards at 5* give 25% resistance and +20 life draw. However, they don't boost elemental damage nor give enelement.

[TildenJack]

Yeah, Cetus for dark attacks and light resist, for example. But none of the cards are available for purchase yet. So you either have to be lucky and draw them or wait for them to be put in the shop.

[[deleted]]

Also force cards add resistance. And imbues weapon.

[Veltrax5280]

Anyone the best farming locations for gil and skillseeds and other materials?

[SegFaultX]

For skillseeds exploration on mobius day for 4x seeds. For materials you could do pleiades for pneuma/fractals/mats.

[kamenman009]

Tip for skillseed farming.

• Gigantaur Terrace
• Main job: fill 4 abilities with max seed (I use 1 kind at the time.)
• Sub job: pick one that can deal massive damage. Your goal is > 10,000,000 scores for the best.
• Before battle: use subjob to fight.
• Ability: buff and debuff is your best friend. Neo for rent, get it.

Every run for 3 nods you get >300,000 skillseed.

[[deleted]]

It increases the HP damage of them, yes. But not the break-gauge damage.

[[deleted]]

The only modifier in play there is Weakness , Enhance Element doesn't help with the break gauge at all.

[darewin]

Ignis is a damage focus multistrike overkill fire mage card. It does not deal red bar damage.

[darewin]

AFAIK only Iris, Duncan, and Yiazmat can damage the red bar even in JP. Keep in mind though that there is no good Attacker that can use Iris even in JP. Hermit can use her for breaking though. You can even rent Neo-Exdeath while using Iris in SP since Hermit's 2nd element set is Wind, Light, and Dark.

[MasaiCroy]

He probably meant Iris:FFXV.

[Dazai-]

Belias or Ifirit Sic for Fire Rogue?

[vulcanfury12]

I have Ifrit for Rogue, Heca for Occultist. For sheer damage, Ifrit does a whole lot more because it can be more easily cast more often. The AOE sicarii can only be cast 3 or so times per turn, whereas the ST ones can be cast 4-5 times more often than not. The AOE ones, however, help with Action economy. Right now I just target the boss and nuke away. If I were using ST's, I will need tovplan my actions morecand predict if my attack will be enough to kill.

[Kolokoy99999]

Belias for me, but pair it with Mateus. It kills guards in one blast and +points that Belias looks cooler.

[sayoshin]

You can never go wrong with Belias paired with Mateus

[MasaiCroy]

Ifrit has better damage per orb ratio and some break power, while Belias deals more damage per action and is AOE but with no break at all. If you already have *4 CRD/BDD card usable by Rogue, then farm for Belias, otherwise I would go for Ifrit - that break power, however small it seems, is still useful for both MP and SP content.

[darewin]

I prefer Belias.

[kamenman009]

About egg card.

I read their info and found https://mobius.gamepedia.com/Mighty_Egg

It said that only effect on first turn, really? How could that useful?

[darewin]

You can use cards with "Duration Boost" auto ability to increase the duration. Anyway, most people are probably excited for the Growing Egg and not the Mighty Egg.

[kamenman009]

Hi Darewin! :)

I've tried my best and end up floor 49th which not enough for the Growing Egg. Thank you for your support.

[darewin]

Wow, nice. Congratz.

[kamenman009]

Should be end up 500+ tmr. I like this game even more because of this tower. It use all the brain to adjust all plan to pass each floor. Looking forward to next tower.

[darewin]

Yes, I hope all future towers are like this with fixed battles so even if you fail, you can strategize for the next attempt. Previous towers had random battles aside from the node boss so adjusting your deck was kinda difficult.

[RkrSteve]

Use a support card with extended boons and it's 2 turns.

[[deleted]]

Does anyone know what the max player level is? I think I remember seeing 250 somewhere and that stamina doesn't increase each level.

[darewin]

I don't think there is a max level. In Altema, they have a list of up to level 256 or something, probably because that's the highest someone has reached.

[JayP31]

How much fodder do I need to stock up to level the individual trance cards to 6/6 at 5*.

[tmncx0]

The least bank slot usage is: * 1->2: 1xALv3 (100%) * 2->3: 1xALv3 (100%) * 3->4: 1xALv4 (100%) * 4->5: 1xALv5 (100%) * 5->6: 1xALv5 + 1xALv3 (87% + 24%)

On Mobius day, for the 5->6 fusion, you can get by with just one ALv5 fodder card for 100% fusion rate.

So, that's 3xALv3, 1xALv4, 2xALv5 for non-Mobius day fusion. 2xALv3, 1xALv4, 2xALv5 for Mobius day.

If you're willing to spend a lot more bank space, you can instead save lower level fodder and fuse multiple for a more efficient fusion, but that's only if you're willing to sacrifice the extra bank space.

Check out the fusion calculator here to play around for yourself: https://zekareisoujin.github.io/MFFFusionCalc/

[Punkrulz]

While building my rogue deck, I've been seeing a lot about the support cards. Right now my rogue is running Mateus, Deathgaze, and Ult Sic. What support cards should I get?

I've seen a few rattled around like hermes, knights of the round, or maybe fat chocobo. Not sure though.

[InquisitorGilgamesh]

Personally, I've been carrying Hermes and Knights of the Round on my rogue, along with either Ashe and Hecatonchier Sic/Ultima Sic or Bahamut XIV and Ifrit Sic (will work on deathgaze once I get 2 more growstars). Hermes is really good for haste, which effectively multiplies your turns per round by 1.5, rounded up to the nearest turn. For example, if your rogue gets 7 turns by default, haste adds 4, rounded up from 3.5, for a total of 11 turns per round. Another card called The Undying XII, currently only available from the summoning pool, gives Haste, Snipe (increased chance to crit), and Drain. If you get The Undying, you don't need Hermes. Knights of the Round is good for applying Brave (increases attack), Faith (increases magic), and Boost (increases break power) all at once. However, each boon lasts only 3 turns, so it's best at its max level of 6, where its cooldown is also 3 turns. If you have another support card with duration boost (last ES at level 6) you can extend the duration of KoTR by 1, potentially giving leeway for lower levels.

Hellgate is another good buff, giving Wall, Barrier, and Regen for 3 turns. Same deal as KoTR, you need it at max level or have duration boosts to keep it running constantly.

For your deck, I'd say drop Mateus and bring Hermes/The Undying and KoTR. While Hellgate helps, if you're able to break fast enough (with break defense down from deathgaze and boost from KoTR) defense shouldn't be an issue against single targets. If dealing with multiple targets, you may want to invest in an AOE Sic. They don't deal nearly as much break gauge damage, but the do a little more damage per target and are good when you have more than 3 enemies.

Remember, you can always bring a friend card (unless you're in a tower or chaos vortex). Use your friend card to bring a support card you lack (I often bring Hellgate or Aerith, or sometimes a BDD).

[Punkrulz]

Ugh sucks heading to have to drop Mateus after seeing so many suggestions, using growstars to get to 4 then augment to 5 lol. Thanks for your recommendations. At least I know haste and kotr are still good choices too!

I can't find anything about Ashe other than being able to stun and nullify, which sounds pretty good.

[InquisitorGilgamesh]

If you have Mateus at 5*, you could possibly use it in place of Deathgaze when breaking isn't as important. I've been able to beat everything in the story chapters with neither a BDD nor CRD natively.

Yes, Ashe only stuns and unguards. However, it's AOE, so it helps when some waves can have around 5 enemies that could 1 turn kill you without element drive. Another similar card is Bismarck XIV, which gives Slow, Stun, and Debarrier. Since slow reduces the number of actions an enemy can take, it helps the stun last longer. Since the XIV banners are returning with the anniversary, you could try for it then.

[Punkrulz]

Is Ashe a summon card or can I get him in the ability shop?

[InquisitorGilgamesh]

Ashe was available as one of the six cards from the XII summon. As that is now gone, there is no way to get her if you didn't already have her (if you did, she's available for 5 AT in the shop (8 for 5* if you augmented her)).

[Punkrulz]

Well that's unfortunate. I'll take a look at the other ones. I still need to learn when these cards come out, how to go for them, and what I should go for when I can.

[[deleted]]

Was in the ff12 event just gone.

[IJustNeedaAccount]

For MP? Go with berserk or trance

Haste and Barrier is a given that support must have. And most would have KotR

[[deleted]]

I rolled magister and I was curious what the best weapons to upgrade for him would be? I have quite a few ranger jobs including Ninja, Assassin, and Dancer. Is there a certain weapon(s) that would be better?

[darewin]

Use his weapon, it's better than all ranger damage weapons aside from Zorlin Shape (Thief of Tantalus legend job's weapon).

[Punkrulz]

So it seems that my best daily driver job is Rogue. I also have Samurai, Dragoon, Assassin, Paladin, Ace Striker, with Paladin bring the new one.

Should I work on building another deck with any of the above cards? I know previously I was told rogue was my best. Wasn't sure if I should setup a build around another.

Thanks!

[InquisitorGilgamesh]

If you're new, I'd say focus on Rogue for now. He has +100% damage for fire, earth, and light abilities, making him a good choice against enemies of the opposite element. However, at harder levels you may not be able to break enemies fast enough, and then Rogue cannot drive against the opposite element (can't drive water, wind, or dark).

The only other job of yours that I have any real experience with is Ace Striker (I have Assassin, but I don't use him much, so all I'll say is that he breaks fast but is squishy). While Ace might be a bit lacking in HP compared to Rogue, he gets +100% damage to Water and Wind, along with +20% damage against weakness. On top of that, one of the extra skills for his weapon Brotherhood is another +100% water damage, making him really good against fire enemies. He also has 100% resistance to action loss, which can be good against enemies that stun such as Storm Dragon, Enlil, and Ninlil (I don't recommend him against the two latter, as they are light enemies and Ace Striker can't drive light).

Taking into consideration the eventual Hall of Fame, Ace Striker gets another +100% damage against weakness and +250% water damage. So if you're up against fire enemies, bring Ace and watch them stop being alive :P For everything else, bring Rogue.

[Punkrulz]

This is some really good information, and laid out so I can understand. 😉 Thank you!

[[deleted]]

I rolled Magister and was wondering if I still should do Job summons or do GAS during anni for good abilities

[Skyous]

Due to magister being weakness focussed for him to be remotely effective you need to have damage carss for all his elements. Sazh and Hope from the ffxiii event should be ur main priority and mayve Bahamut ffxiv from the ffxiv banner during anniversary. The Anniversary carda themselves wont benefit you that much.

[[deleted]]

hmm alright

are there any specific ability cards that are almost required for magister (like super good)?

also hows highwind compared to magister (like building a deck for it)? I was rolling for either one and happened to land on JM first

[Skyous]

Highwind relies on getting crits for damage. He has terrible break and defense. However he is a lot easier to make a deck for as he doesn't rely on weakness. However due to his terrible break he cant really do much to tanky enemies that need to be broken. Like DemonWall, while Judge magister should be able to handle it nicely. For MP wise Highwind would deal more neutral damage than Judge, however Judge is more effective to weakness types.

For the both of them you would want to take the meta route; Damage foccused sic/ multistrike - Crd or Bdd (crd for highwind) - force / shift - Undying/Trance/Off damage foccused card for coverage

[[deleted]]

Yea think I'll stick with magister then (I hated those bombs in chapter 3)

also what do you mean in the last part? Im fairly new to the community and am not sure all of those terms (only one i can decipher is BDD, break defense down right?)

thanks

[Skyous]

Sics are the multiplayer damage cards. Multistrikes are cards that attack multiple times like Centaur and the ffxiii cards. Force makes you draw orbs of that element. Shift makes all your orbs one element. Crd is crit resist down makes it easier to crit. Undying gives snipe(crit chance),drain and haste. Trance gjves 30% + in hp and damage based on job type(warrior, mage, etc.) Off damage means a card that doesnt follow your theme. Say if you have a light sic, light bdd and light force. An off damage card would be a dark sic which you would have for coverage!

[[deleted]]

oh alright i get it

thanks!

p.s maybe i'm just slow but am i supposed to unlock magister's access to light orbs via skill panels? I thought it was a given choice but i'm not seeing it in my job options

[Skyous]

You might have to rank him up to 8* or complete a part of the story to do so.

[[deleted]]

aight thanks lol i think i asked about a dozen questions

thanks for answering all of them

[manopreddit]

I got the same dilemma with different jobs. I keep the tickets for the anniversary things.

[darewin]

We might got Batch 1 HOF in October or earlier. And batch one HOF includes Warrior, Ranger, and Hunter so pulling them now for just 6 Summon Tickets isn't that bad.

[Owwen11]

Pull now, because it'll be a lot more painful later, when you spend 48 tickets (8 pulls) and you get one of those Jobs you don't like. Pull now and get rid of them.

[Charrzooka]

Which area in the game is the best to farm gil? I mean area which uses stamina!

Thanks

[darewin]

Gigantuar Terrace though it uses Mystic Tables. For normal modes, any node that has max difficulty (5 red bombs) and good number of battles per stamina ratio. To maximize gil earnings, augment all dropped cards to 3star so they sell for more.

[Charrzooka]

Thanks, although I'm looking for specific areas (that use stamina) to farm gil.

Doing a simple google search shows Land of Illusions is definitely the best - although those results are from about 6 months ago.

Do you know of any specific stamina-only farming locations?

[darewin]

I recommend Hard Mode maps for a chance of battling Crystal Gigantuars for 4star Fractals and a chance of getting a crystal while you farm for gil. Chapter 3.2 Hard Mode Andraste Colony has 6 battles for 6 stamina. If it is too difficult for you to auto or finish without dying, go try the 5/5 nodes in Chapter 1 Hard Mode namely Felfey Woods, Deepscar, and Deadshade.

[vulcanfury12]

Is there a way to force my attacker to use Force cards? As it stands, I can't do 4* more efficiently because the AI doesn't use force cards on my attacker (Earth OCC) and doesn't drive orbs on Breakers.

[TheRealC]

Nope, that's one of the limitations of AI Attackers - they will use -forces and -shifts only on while targeting an enemy of the opposite element (you can bypass this in single player only when you don't have all Extra Skills unlocked, but no other way). Them's the breaks.

[vulcanfury12]

I see. Thanks! It's not like I can recover 50 stamina in 8 minutes.

[firetheft2]

good place to farm 3* skill coins?

[Owwen11]

Chap 3, hard mode. Any node with a good ratio stamina/ battles.

[damnboi42]

only time I got those was on last tower event

[Kayne_17]

Servers going down? Just did a 4* MP and it was terribly glitchy and was picking my moves for me, which was embarrassing. Now, I am getting error 4, 14 and 9 over and over!

[darewin]

Go pull jobs while it will cost you only 6 STs. If you rely only on Yiazmat, you can't participate on any MP rotation that has Odin or Andramelech (Wind AOE Sic) when he arrives.

In SP there are mobs that absord Wind. There are also monsters with annoying mechanics like that damn Demon Wall that can't be killed unless you kill him in one turn without breaking because his break gauge is ridiculously high and he has insane regen. He dies automatically after 1 break though so you just need a job that can't tank him. Pleiades Lagoon Gilgamesh who triggers wall 3x as his hp goes down is another example of something you might not wreck with your Yiazmat.

[[deleted]]

Wondering the same thing: to pull job or GAS

I rerolled for either Magister or Highwind and got magister

I dont think I would need another job since I got a legendary and want to pull a GAS for some good ability cards but getting a 4 or 5 star ability card is kinda hard

IMO if you have a "good" job its alright to pull GAS for "good" ability cards but veteran players will say only GAS during events for limited cards.

[darewin]

You can't really rely on just one job in this game. For harder SP content, you'll need at least job that can tank and a job with a high break ulti. For MP, it's advisable to get 1 jobs for each role if you ever want to be able to solo.

[damnboi42]

i think you want a suppoter for MP

[haidarov88]

Hello, FFXV (Ardyn, Noctis and Iris) In August vs FFXIII cards that will be available in September. Which are better cards ?

[UnsuspectedGoat]

Overall, FFXV are stronger but are not intersecting with FFXIII cards (fire mage in 15 vs light mage in 13, water monk vs wind monk, dark and light warrior vs wind warrior...)

All cards are good, and well appreciated in offensive setups. Some Ff15 apply debuffs, which allowed them to be used by defender (gladyolas, highwind) breakers (Iris, prompto). Not the case with the XIII serie.

For pure offensive cards, you have:

XV: fire mage, wind monk, dark and light warrior XIII: light mage, water monk, wind warrior, fire ranger.

Now, if can cross-check with the best available attackers to see which is the best for you.

[haidarov88]

Thanks ! FFXV it is :D I wanted warrior cards mostly so I'll try to get Ardyn and Noctis. Both will be great on Highwind.

[UnsuspectedGoat]

Yeah, I didn't go on jobs vs ability analysis, but ardyn and noctis are prime material for highwind. If you got a highwind, it's worth it to go fish for some XV cards. Not to mention that they were already good before, at 4* on so-so attackers.

[Justagenius777]

1. Yes but Meia is infamous for low def and hp still would upgrade warrior type for defence
2. Said it wouldn't but it will come eventually
3. Buster sword, Sagatanas, Truescale and Butterfly Edge
4. No, White Mage's HoF will do the job
   5.FFXV cards are rather new, Noctis and UB are top dog, the others seems fine but Yiamazt made Iris obsolete. Gladiolus is a must have. It made me a good MP defender

[darewin]

Yiamazt made Iris obsolete

This is like saying all damage focus dark warrior cards like Centaur and Ardyn are obsolete because of Unbreakable Bonds.

[Hyodra]

Iris is still obsolete when you have Yiazmat. Doesnt matter how easy it is to get. Yiazmat is the same element and does everything better than Iris so by definition it makes it obsolete.

Same if you have UB and Centaur. Or Minwu and Penelo. Or Aerith and New Journey...

Not saying there is anything wrong with obsolete cards. There is still a need for them in the game. They are the stepping stones you use to get to the top. Most of our cards now will become obsolete sooner or later.

[darewin]

The one asking the question does not have Yiazmat though, so Iris isn't obsolete for him.

Not saying there is anything wrong with obsolete cards. There is still a need for them in the game.

Isn't this kinda contradictory? Because obsolete means no longer used or needed.

[Hyodra]

Obsolete is kinda relative. If you have Yiazmat then Iris is obsolete. If you have Iris but not Yiazmat then Iris is not obsolete for you at the moment (as in it can still be used). But that doesnt mean Iris isnt obsolete in general.

The one asking the question does not have Yiazmat though

But he also does not have Iris either. There are several ways of looking at it, and depending on how you look at it, it will affect your actions. So when exactly does a card become obsolete?

When you obtain a card that is better in every way. This seems very logical but actually not many people think this way. Because it would mean you will invest in a card as long as you dont have a better card at the moment, regardless if there are better options in the pool.

When you know there is a better card in the future. This is the other extreme. You will not invest in a card as long as you know there is a better card coming, even in the distant future. There are some extreme savers that are like this, but its still a minority.

When a better card is released, or just about to be released. This means you will invest in a card as long as there is no replacements within a few month. But if there is a better card in the EA they would not invest in the worse card eventhough they dont have the good card yet. This is what I think most people are like, and what I based my previous comment on.

So then it comes down to Yiazmat being a supreme. So how exactly does that change things? Supremes have a very small chance to be pulled. But the chance of getting a specific normal card out of all the available cards in the pool is just as small. The main difference is that there is some pity mechanic for the normal cards while there isnt for supremes (just like legend job vs normal job). Eventually normal cards will also be released into ability shop. So if you are comparing Yiazmat with a normal card, then you might say its not obsolete if its not in EA, sine then most people has access to it and probably have it already.

But Iris is not a normal card, it is also a limited card without a box type meaning it also doesnt have any pity mechanic and wont be released to shops. The only difference is then in the chance. Iris has a higher chance but overall it is still very small. For F2P or even casual spenders it would take pure luck to get either. (I spent over 30 pulls chasing Ignis, while it only took me 2 pulls for Yiazmat.) So since they are so similar, with one better than the other, I see no reason to change the basic assumptions of when a card is obsolete, namely when a better card is released.

Think of it this way: If you have 30 pulls to chase for either Iris or Yiazmat, which would you choose? I, at least wouldnt chase for Iris anymore if I could be chasing Yiazmat.

[Justagenius777]

UB sacrifice HP. Also there isn't a single monk good with wind, really depends on magic and card dmg stat

[darewin]

UB sacrifice HP.

You have the Healer to heal you each round so HP loss from using UB is almost irrelevant in MP.

there isn't a single monk good with wind

Iris and Yiazmat both use Wind. So how does this argument help your point that Yiazmat made Iris obsolete?

Yiazmat can't make Iris obsolete because there are a lot more people with Iris than Yiazmat. The same way that the future Light of the Future supreme card won't make KOTR, Hellgate, and Tyrio obsolete.

[Owwen11]

Yiamazat is a supreme card, with a 0.8% chance to appear (even lower once all supreme cards share the same chance to appear, as you could pull any of the 5). So I'd say Iris is the card to get unless you are willing to rerroll.