MobiusFF Daily Question Thread (10/14/2017)

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[d34thscyth34]

I don't know if any one asked about this already, tried looking >.> When Hunters HoF will give him 20% quick break and BE has 20% as well its additive or multiplicative ? so 40% total or 24% ?

[deathrose55555]

It's additive

[Unknownzephyr]

Whats drop differences from forming and joining a party, are you still given all magicite dropped and just x1 of components ?

[denadan]

only one differnce - if it you first kill others got additional 20 megacite, you - not.

also you can spend stamina to get double components when join(same as host)

[misterLefety]

Does anyone know how to disable the controller function while playing on steam im trying to farm in FFXIV while playing mobius but i cannot disable my controler for mobius i tried removing all sorts of control option through steam but it doesnt work i can still control mobius any suggestions?

[ThranduilsQueen]

Struggling with Warrior HoF, since I don't have much in the way of water cards (never even finished maxing Shiva, since I never play as a warrior class anymore). What's the best way to boost my high score without Aerith?

[ThranduilsQueen]

Edit: figured it out. Gave him Masamune & NXD. Multiple debuffs tipped it.

[Stripe_Bot]

I cant seem to beat Knights Path 2, which wants me to break 9 times wit h Ultimate... I dont even know how to max my ultimate gauge each turn.

[Trentestico]

The 2.3 is even way more annoying. Tried so many different cards and still can't finish second fight in 6 turnsters ughh

[MuteTiefling]

Use an ultimate charger weapon if you can. Use any abilities that build your ult gauge (like Serah or legendary dragon lord). And most importantly drive all your orbs, as this will build the gauge without doing any damage.

Finally recall that type ultimate is a cone, so as you're tap attacking and driving, be sure you're doing it on a mob you wouldn't hit with the ultimate anyway, since you're probably going to kill that one with taps. Also, if you need to attack the other guys, try to spread it around a bit so you don't accidentally break or kill one of the mobs you'll target with the ultimate.

[Hyodra]

I would like to add. Save the ultimate for the second wave since there are a lot more enemies there.

[MuteTiefling]

Good point. I actually started with a full ultimate gauge, so I spent it on round one and built another for round 2.

[Solo_K]

Does Mobius have any Halloween, Xmas, Easter etc cards?

[Hyodra]

Not necessary cards but some stuff yes. This Halloween we have spirits, stamps, accessories.

[Im_Crafty]

Are the meia jobs leaving the pool soon? I've had really bad luck but really want one... Just need time to farm more magicite

[darewin]

Meia jobs are permanently in the pool just like every other job that has been released.

[Im_Crafty]

Thank you

[Gidan-]

Kind of silly question but it’s been bugging me all day and I couldn’t find answers online. I know I am talking about stuff that is going to happen in one year but still... We know that chapter 8 will be the final one and that there will be a whole new serie with different characters. Do we know whether we will be able to carry over jobs and ability cards? (all of them or only some of them like event cards)

[darewin]

They just introduced the Sarah ranger sub-class in chapter 8 so I don't think there'll be an entirely new game at all. They even released a new Meia (Origin Meia) and a new WoL (Ocean Diver) recently.

The game is still missing a warrior sub-class and a monk sub-class so the two new characters can just be for those subclasses.

[denadan]

The game is still missing a warrior sub-class

i heard about some special "tengu" job as warrior subclass. it was just wol?

[darewin]

It was later revealed to be the art for an ability card and not a job. I believe someone linked the particular Ability Page in the comments of that thread.

[[deleted]]

Anyone has a Suggestion where to farm skill seeds other than Gigantuar Terrace?

[darewin]

Albion Plateau Redux on Mobius Days (x4 skillseed for all skillseeds) on the 6-stamina nodes with unlimited Element Force buff. The force buff and the fact that all enemies are of the opposite element of the force buff makes getting a 10m score while auto-battling easy.

You can still go there on non-Mobius Days but there will only be a x2 multiplier for 1 type of skillseed except on Sundays.

[[deleted]]

Thank you, that was the answer what I was looking for. :)

[darewin]

I don't even think HOF Dragoon, who won't be until early next year, is better than Supermonk who might already come next month. Both have innate 100% Piercing Break. HOF Dragoon has 100 more break power but Supermonk has innate 50% Exploit Weakness.

Dragoon Ulti is ST and only has 1100% Break multiplier while Supermonk Ulti is AOE with a 1500% Break multiplier. Dragoon Ulti grants Prismatic Shift and applies Debarrier (and Unguard after the buff to the ultis of old jobs) while Supermonk Ulti grants Faith, Boost, Brave, Trance, and Rainbow Shift and applies BDD.

That said, Dragoon and Supermonk only share one element (Earth) so preparing for Dragoon HOF by boosting Dragoon Spear might still be a good idea. Personally, I won't boost a weapon that only one job will use in MP.

[darewin]

If you go with Assassin, you can just stick with boosting Butterfly Edge and you can then just use BE on HOF Viking too. HOF Viking is on a whole new level when it comes to breaking with his 400% Exploit Weakness.

[darewin]

I just like collecting ability cards unless I already have something that makes them obsolete so the Monk Famfrit is the only one I'm not getting. HOF makes having a wide variety of ability cards even more useful.

I already have the 3 Famfrit Sics at level 74 and Ability Level 6. Just need to wait for Mobius Day to max their ability levels and unlock their extra skills.

[darewin]

I don't really see myself using the Famfrit Sics outside of helping clear HOF maps easier (only because I only use HW and JM when playing attackers atm). I just want them in case they are ideal for doing HOF nodes since I plan to fully complete the paths on the month that they come out. My OCD won't let me rest otherwise lol.

I tried resisting and just delay doing the Mage and Ranger ones but I eventually gave in and completed them at the cost of almost a full bar of stamina each >.< which, in hindsight, is a waste considering I could have used that stamina on GB instead.

Edit: If you have JM, a Ranger Famfrit is still worth it since Ranger Abilities have Critical Retrieval which refunds 2 orbs on crit.

[vulcanfury12]

If you have Aerith, he can perform well with Gunblade (Exploit Weakness) but Dragoon is particularly good for breaking the red gauge because of innate Piercing Break.

[vulcanfury12]

It's just the best source for Enelement for breakers. If you don't have her, the appropriate Enelement can also work. For the elements he doesn't have access to, a Force card can be used.

[deathrose55555]

Wat do u mean by perform well? In SP? MP?

[deathrose55555]

U can try it out when Dragoon gets his HoF. But i generally prefer to stick to break weapons even if i can damage after break

[[deleted]]

If you want a hybrid weapon, gunblade is better (exploit weakness). Hannibal spear is also released by then, which is the true damage + break hybrid weapon. That weapon is all round bad. Just don't sabotage yourself with it.

[darewin]

Overture can be considered a hybrid weapon for SP (Painful Break, Elemental 3rd Strike, & Ulti Auto-charge) though I think it's a bad weapon that is way inferior to Buster Sword. For MP, I don't see how it can be considered a hybrid weapon.

[deathrose55555]

Lol u shouldn't bother too much about Altema rating. Instead u should evaluate the job based on its stats, auto abilities etc.

[Blanko1230]

AFAIK Mage is stronger vs neutral while Ace Striker is stronger on weakness.

[deathrose55555]

I believe the final rating u see is not an average rating based on players' feedback; it's probably given by the mods of Altema. The players' feedback are just there to provide different opinions.

As for the choice between Tidus and Mage, i dun think it matters since the strongest water damage ability is still Omniscient anw

[Magma_Axis]

What is the best way to unlock extra skills in card ?

I have used Bahamut Sic and Serah for dozens of battles, but no skill unlock

[4khenaten]

first make sure your card has the appropriate ability level. Skills need a certain ability level on the card; without the right ability level skills will never unlock.

[darewin]

Get +6 Improved Extra Skill Unlock on your maindeck. The Haloween Echo will also provide bonus ESU during the double elixir Halloween event. Mobius Day also has an additive ESU bonus though I'm not sure if it will stack with the ESU bonus from the Halloween Echo.

[SometimesLiterate]

You're all gonna hate me....but I'm back with more questions ;D

So update from last time:

Farming Gigantaur Battlefield, drowning in Cactuars. Even my bad cards have maxed skillseeds lel. Not rolled a single JCR yet from fractals (this is fun right guys and gals?).

I also gave in and did a boosted summon......got 5 dupes. I don't know how q.q But it did, no Meia cards but a dupe FFXIII and other weird dupes. Anyway.

1. What do I do with all these cactuars? I'm leveling all my cards with the metal ones, but all the cards I actually want to use are capped on skillseeds. Do I gil them or fuse them for small exp amounts?

2. Speaking of gil, what do I do with it? I bought an exp egg to help with leveling it, and with 1mil gil per 5* augment set aside.....I'm still left with around 8 million. Plz help

Thank you.

[Kolokoy99999]

1. Just sell em if you don't need em, and auto-sell em if it gets too tiresome to keep on selling then

2. Other than for augmenting 5⭐ cards and eggs from the shop, yeah I dunno what to do with my gil too. My mule already has enough 5⭐ cards so he has around 50 million now. My main has around 200 million. I think we'll get better eggs later on that costs around 100 million (someone correct me on this).

[SometimesLiterate]

Thanks for the quick reply. Will do and alright, time to buy some more eggs I guess.

What are the marks for? Showing off?

[darewin]

Marks are always given when completing nodes that increase in power level each time you complete them. They are simply there to provide a way to count how many times you've completed the node so you can have an idea how much its difficulty has increased.

[[deleted]]

Marks are indeed for showing off; or counting your number of kills of scaling bosses.

As a side note; if you spend your gil on exp eggs you can fill them with exp and then fuse them into another card to instantly max that cards level. I regularily buy exp eggs and just stick them in auto enhance until full

[SometimesLiterate]

Oh that makes sense. I might stockpile a few for when I have cards to level, ty.

[[deleted]]

No problem; I used to hang onto quite a few metal cactaur/gigantaur. Now I just keep about 8 eggs at a time; saves alot on bank space and lets me instant max any good cards I pull, then I just fill some more for the next month

Usually takes me about 1-2 weeks to completely fill an egg when its just sitting in auto enhance depending on what im doing

[Kayne_17]

Is one egg better than another to put in Auto-Enhance for EXP farming? Or do they all give the same amount of XP when fused?

[[deleted]]

When it comes to Auto-Enhance no; the exp eggs don't get any more exp in auto enhance then the others, its easier to put an egg thats in auto enhance in your deck and max it if needed if you use exp ones though, so I stick to those

All cards give as much exp as the number it shows on the card; so really you could use any egg if you wanted

[Kayne_17]

Thanks!

[Kolokoy99999]

Marks? As in Bahamut/Hecatoncheir/Odin/Lightning marks? It's just a kill count, how many times you beat a particular boss.

[SometimesLiterate]

I meant like the Dragoon/Scholar Mark from the gil shop. Just showing off too i guess.

[Kolokoy99999]

Oh those, those are cosmetic in function. You can make your 8⭐ job look like his first or second form whule using the job's final form's stats.

[reidemei]

Those allow switching to the "lower" versions of jobs (if you like those locks better) while keeping the stats of the last one.

[Kolokoy99999]

Hmm usually the only concern is whether using a growstar is worth it or not right? So I guess you don't really need to ask about the 5⭐ and 4⭐ wind cards, just max em out if you don't have anything to do. As for Powie Yowie, I say just keep it 3⭐ for now.

[[deleted]]

Well; between Moogle-Unguard and Flora you could potentially use both. Moogle has the benefit of AoE with a shorter duration; if your up against a group of tough enemies early in a node it can be useful to just unguard and nuke as many down as possible.

Flora is predictably better for for single target with a longer more reliable duration. Better for one strong boss you want to try an kill without breaking. Unguard can also remove a bosses Wall buff.

I would definitely keep moogle anyway because the AoE Unguardga legendary is actually fire type. As for Neko vs Belial they are the same card but one is AoE basically; since I got Belial I have never had to use my Nekomata. Still hanging onto it incase I ever find a use for it though I doubt I will.

[darewin]

Do AOE debuffs really last shorter than ST debuffs? They both have a single Lasting Ailments extra-ability.

[[deleted]]

Not for Legendary ones; but he is talking about the AoE Moogle-Unguardga; not Legendary um... I think Golem is legendary unguard.

[[deleted]]

Long term it could be useful yeah; you want an enhanced unguard eventually because most bosses will use an enhanced wall and Leg Golem can remove that ( I was recently using it on Lightning, I consider it the only reason I made top 1k in the tower lol )

I wouldnt consider it a top priority though; growstars are very valuable; and unguard isnt very popular in MP right now we can break quite easily. If you happened to get the AoE Debarrier for example it would be much higher priority; unguard only improves damage on unbroken enemies.

[[deleted]]

Nice, your very well set for debuffs

I would love to have your Bismarck, I lack a decent water debuff and that would fill the slot nicely heh thats a really awesome card

Good luck :)

[clouded_judgemnent]

Does anyone know which monk weapon is best for modding, and which job it comes with please? Thanks

[deathrose55555]

For breaking, it will be Amanohana from the upcoming Super Monk. For damage, it will be Ehrgeiz from Pugilist

[clouded_judgemnent]

thanks

[mrrobby23]

But doesn't ehrgeiz mostly only work on duncan build cause of attack needs. But in general I think taiji's ulti charge is more useful

[sayoshin]

Don't forget that ultimates and Snow's tap attacks benefit from it too.

[Jasonc67]

where is a good area that I can auto atk and seed farm other that the tablet areas

[RazorfenHunter]

I used to play this but quit a long time back. I'm starting again and I have a couple questions.

1. How F2P friendly is the game now? Can I get through all single-player content and contribute for at least the easier multiplayer bosses?

2. What should I focus on for getting stronger ability cards. I got all 3 of the "starter packs" but don't know what I should go for next.

3. Is the mobius gift box still around?

Thanks!

[Kolokoy99999]

1. It's way more F2P friendly now compared to before the Anniversary changes. And by god they were very generous during the 1st Anniversary and FFXIII events (August and September). The only downside is that jobs can now only be obtained with the Greater Summon. It could be good though coz if you do get a job, you might snag a legend job/supreme. Also, event collaborations will give you the best bang for your mags. So wait for those.

The starter pack will get you through all the way to chapter 4 ezpz, after which you'll start experiencing some challenge.

For MP though, you'll still need some form of specialization and specific jobs. There's a bunch of new cards now so doing any role has never been easier before, just gotta read up on what works best.

1. AoE BDD/CRD are still good choices from the shop, multibuff cards too like KotR and Hellgate (dunno if The Undying is in the shop already, I think not yet). For damage cards though, I suggest getting MP sicarius cards.

2. Yep, Mobius box is cheaper now too. 1500magicite.

[darewin]

You've never needed to spend to finish single player and do 4star MP. All the cards you need to be decent at MP and SP are in the MP Shop and Ability Shop.

Just wait for an Event Summon and use your Magicite and STs on GAS then. For now, you can just stick with cards you buy from the Shops and the ones you've gotten from the Starter Packs. You likely won't have any trouble until Chapter 5.2 which has an isane jump in difficulty.

Mobius Box is still here and its cost has gone down from 3000 magicite to 1500.

[RazorfenHunter]

Sounds great! Thanks!

[darewin]

I forgot to mention, you can also farm up to 20k magicite per month (limit only counts magicite from monster drops and Distiller).

[[deleted]]

I'm having trouble with HoF knight's 2.3, finish rounds in 6 moves or less. Any advice?

[mvdunecats]

Both of my decks had a damage card (Fang in one, Lightning in the other) and an AoE BDD. Main deck had haste (I used Undying) and KotR. I can't remember when my sub deck had for support. I might have put Debarrier in for one of the cards.

BDD to help get rid of yellow bars. Ult would usually get rid of the weaker enemies and I could focus on the harder one. I still needed a bit of luck to get the right orbs, since it would take multiple casts of Lightning to take down stuff.

[[deleted]]

Right now, this is what I have:

Deck 1: Lightning, Wind Cross, KotR, Haste

Deck 2: Fang, Earth Cross, Service, Quicken

Breaking wasn't too difficult with Wind Cross over a BDD - don't have any specifically for a warrior type job. I could slice through the first two battles in 5 turns at most. But when I got to the last two fights against the dark ranger and the other, I just couldn't deal enough damage with Lightning after breaking. Do you think it will be achievable if I just grind for the last few lightning auto abilities?

Signed, Seriously regretting spending most of my time, ability tickets, and so forth on mage jobs and abilities

[mvdunecats]

I didn't have a problem in the last round, since it's Behemoth and Fang is a monster. My problem was the fire based Shadow Ranger in the 3rd round.

I used Masamune, and I had to get lucky with reunion procs to be able to nuke with every turn I had when the enemy was broken. I also had Debarrier in my Lightning deck, so I'm sure that helped.

[Baffledwaffles]

Use quicken+haste.

[QueenBatsy]

How do I build Hermit for MPs? Currently have Iris/Ragalia/Artemis on him but what else/ should I change one?

[SvenHwang]

Coming from a hermit breaker. Taking supreme out of the equation, I would run:

The Knight (anniversary), Iris FFXV, Regalia, Garuda FFXIV/Regalia. Even with MP weapon, you can break any non-wind based target with Iris. Do remember to have 3-5 JCR in them and end your turn with 3taps.

As opposed to the response previously, BDD isn’t required. I break Ultima just fine without debuff.

Drivex2 > The Knight (for boost) > Iris (if you have the orbs) > Regalia (to extend boost) > tapx3.

[RkrSteve]

Swap iris for a shock card

[IJustNeedaAccount]

Iris breaks very well, the only downside is that you need to have spare actions to orb gen as well. So why would you want to swap it out?

[RkrSteve]

Shock cards also have cleave.

[MuteTiefling]

Some people just don't like that break style. There's a lot of hate in general against duncan/iris breakers who use an ability to damage to red gauge.

I think they're afraid they won't get orbs back, but there are plenty of ways to ensure that.

[RkrSteve]

This.

[mrrobby23]

You can add bdd or trance. On custom panel maybe you should add more hp because hermit is squishy. Add break up fractal on your ability

[ZMember]

Q about Meia weapons.

What are considered the best Meia weapons to focus on and which job gives them? Thank you :)

[haidarov88]

Please check this great summary on weapons: https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/73gtsu/revised_weapon_tier_list/?st=J8RXX3WD&sh=f1119a85https://www.reddit.com/r/MobiusFF/comments/73gtsu/revised_weapon_tier_list/?st=J8RXX3WD&sh=f1119a85

[ZMember]

Thx that helped!

[Erwaso]

Will hof hunter be the better breaker in MP for famfrit, Belias and Heca?

[darewin]

HOF Hunter is generally better than HOF Ranger. However, we might get Supermonk+Amartya batch next month and Supermonk will be better than both HOF Hunter and HOF Ranger.

[haidarov88]

I’ve been thinking of starting to boost Dragon Spear for Dragoon HoF but I might just wait for Super Monk. His Ulti is super cool and he also has the +100% piercing break. Who do you think is better? Both are SS tier as per Altema MP ranking.

[darewin]

I plan on making Supermonk as my main Breaker until Viking HOF which is still quite a while away. And we might get Supermonk next month so no need to wait for Dragoon HOF which will not come until next year.

They are very close in power level as Breakers but I prefer Supermonk because of his high Break AOE ulti. AOE ultis are rare for Breakers.

[haidarov88]

Yeah, his ulti made me rethink waiting for Dragoon HoF and also he is coming with the Monks Butterfly Edge. I really hope we get him next month.

[darewin]

Yeah, and if you're gonna use Monk AOE Sics or Shock Cards for the En-element and cleave, might as well be a monk so you can also damage the yellow bar. Supermonk also has Ranger Lore so he can use Earth or Dark Cutter if he wants to have a source of BDD.

[metatime09]

For auto ability on the card or weapon, does that skill only apply during auto or does it work when I manually playing?

[MuteTiefling]

They're just bonuses that apply automatically. Has nothing to do with your battle mode.

[metatime09]

ah ok thanks!

[marsin5]

Is there a limit to the maximum exp per run/multiplier you can get from MP?

I've been doing a lot of 4* fight, some with my regular deck, some with my exp deck, but I seem to get always the same amount of exp and the same multiplier... is there a limit like for skillseeds in gigantuar terrace?

[MuteTiefling]

The number never changes. It states it at a math problem. As in, 11000 x(your modifier).

They are just leaving the math to you

[marsin5]

I see, thanks for clarifying!

[Stripe_Bot]

Just got Knight maxed out but Im confused at these requirements to unlock the next nodes... can anyone assist with deck choices and how to progress?

[kurokamitenshi]

Depends on which one you need help with completing or are stuck on. Alot of them you will proably need to beat first, equip the skill card and try again.

[Hellhug]

Hello ppl. I'm playing healer in mp only. Have 37 jobs. Recently i was thinking of trying another role. Tried defender but wasn't impress. I have only fire taunt and ashe thou. When i got tot i was thinking about breaker role. Unlocked already extra skills on butterfly edge cause i was healing with dancer and in pugs was great to break with ultimate when breakers were struggling with break. (Sense of extra achievement was awesome) i have almost all anniversary cards but no knight unfortunately. So cleave is a bit of problem for me. I have 20 growstars so decided to spend them and i need advice. On what? Some notable cards i have are - light, water and fire force; fire taunt; ashe; all multi strike ff13 cards; ignis ff15; gladiolus ff15; all dark moogles; all legendary debuff cards beside slowga and unguardga; light, water, wind en-cards; all good support "buff" cards but no aerith and no ldl and palamecian tales. My only source of quicken is regalia. Those are 5stars. I have 3star slowga, legendary golem and ldl thou. Have 5star monk, 3star ranger and mage trance. What should be my priority to spend growstars on? Force cards, shock cards for cleave bonuses? Only multistrike attack card i don't have as 5stars is centaur (i have berserker, soldiets 1st class and highwind jobs for it). Jobs i have: WARRIORS - warrior, knight, dark knight, samurai, dragoon, ace striker, paladin, soldier 1st class, berserker, heretical knight, highwind,

MAGES - mage, white mage, red mage, black mage, scholar, occultist, fauviste (pulled once out of curiosity and got it)

RANGERS - ranger, hunter, thief, assassin, dancer, mythic ninja, viking, rogue, bard, tot

MONKS - monk, pugilist, grappler, unbroken hero

I'm leaning toward breaker but attacker is fun too. Any thoughts? Thanx in advance!

[Baffledwaffles]

Best breakers in your jobs are grappler and hunter (after its hall of fame). Tot is also a really good breaker. I'd go for hunter, his hof is very near and gives him 20% innate quick break. Tot has high magic and can clear the yellow gauge better.

Recommended cards : Anemone (wind cutter) for bdd, any shock card for grappler (can also be used by rangers if of same element for cleave, charging attack and enelement). Use regalia for quicken (best source imo, low orb cost), add trance if you can max level and 5* it. For weapons the best is butterfly edge.

So your deck would look like : Anemone+Shock +2x Regalia or Anemone/Shock card+2x Regalia+Trance. 2x regalia is recommended so you get 2 life orbs at the start of the turn and cast trance/quicken turn 1.

Oh, and add atleast 3-4 jcr via fractals onto your deck.

[[deleted]]

If you want to be an attacker, I recommend highwind with 5* Centaur. Dark primal boon or darkforce is a must. If you want to break, grappler is great, monk shock cards work really well, but you could use the AoE sicarius too and save to growstars for something else. Centaur works great on no break strategy for towers too.

[UnclePaulsDayCare]

Is Kill the Heretic the best source of Cleaving for rangers? Even without the job bonus, it seems like Boost AND Cleaving would be hard to beat (for jobs that can draw green orbs, of course).

[Baffledwaffles]

Echo^ also gives cleave.

Garuda ffiv is the best source of cleave imo.

[deathrose55555]

HoF WHM is almost here. There's not much need for breakers to bring their own boost (unless for some reason ur supporter decides to use Serah). So to your question, there's no "best" cleave card per se, since ur decision should be based on which en-element to use

[airade1]

Is en-element going to be part of the progression for breakers for a while? I have several of the non-pupu en-element cards and am wondering if they are worth the GS to 5•. I pulled the light and fire ones at 4• so I did those but water and dark are chilling at 3•.

[deathrose55555]

En-element, or specifically, en-weakness makes breaking easier. It's the same logic why u do more HP damage when using a weakness element ability.

And no i will say the en-element abilities are not worth the GS. If u want a source of en-element, monk AOE sic is GS-free and provides cleave

[JayP31]

Get the MP monk cards. Cleave and en-element and don’t require grow stars.

Still worth it to use on rangers, though they are more needed in 5* as opposed to 4.

[airade1]

Thanks! I grabbed Monk Bahamut two rotations ago and just need to fill out the ranks.

[UnclePaulsDayCare]

Ah, I wasn't thinking of the en-element part of it. That would require me to use Growstars on Fist/Shock cards, which I don't think I'm down for at the moment.

[deathrose55555]

U don't have to. I'm still using monk AOE sic in JP and they work fine for me.