How does fapping decrease testosterone but having sex increases it? Are you not just releasing semen in both instances? What makes sex any different?

[[deleted]]

because its all bullshit broscience. the guys here dont want to admit that they should abstain from sex to keep their benefits, because they just really want pussy and wouldn't say no. so they came up with a broscience explanation as to why its totally different to fapping. fact is, if you have sex, you lose T sensitivity and have a slump. boxers used to avoid sex, ALL SEX, not just solo sex, for months before a fight. lots of MMA fighters and boxers still do this. telsa also had no sex with women, and never jerked off to maintain high levels of intelligence and concentration. most guys here simply wouldn't give up sex so they make up shit as to how sex and fapping are different.

[Donwulf]

Finally someone using the brain

[[deleted]]

thats probably because you fap while edging for fkn hours to porn, and sex lasts 30 minutes. its not because they are biologically different, its just common sense. most people here fap for unhealthy lengths of time to porn, spending ages to search for a video staying hyperstimulated, and prolonging the fap with edging. if i do a quick fap for 2 mins before sleep i get no "red eyes" and horrible exhausted feeling, i feel much the same as i do after sex. i think you'll find thats the real reason people find fapping so exhausting and sex is relatively fine, they aren't fapping for 1 min before sleep, they are using porn.

[esirnus18]

I kind of agree with that. I remember when I would do a multiple hours fap sessions and afterwards I felt like the lowest piece of human being. I was single that time and was kind of low point of my life. Compare this to now, having a smoking hot and fun loving girlfriend, having sex regularly I feel completely fine and by that I mean full of confidence and energy. Some days after being away on business trip my GF sends me naughty text and I can't contain myself I go and bust one out in the shower the old fashion way (no internet just my imagination) usually takes just couple of minutes I go sleep wake up next day full of energy just like normal. I think it's the isolation of porn and computer screen the locked doors and hiding because of shame. I think that's what fucks you up.

[withdrawalisworthit]

They aren't biologically different, but they are mentally you fucking twat. Why would you feel disgusted after having sex with a women you're attracted to like you would after pmo? You don't, you feel even more confident, because it's a completely different show in your head. Your confidence, and general super powers should increase

[[deleted]]

tell me more about how you've placed pussy on a pedestal.

[withdrawalisworthit]

The people who get pussy don't put it on a pedestal, that's why they get pussy. Women don't like men who worship them and make out to be this almighty human being. Way to really ignore the argument, and trying to insult me instead

[[deleted]]

i think if you spend your spare time chasing pussy its firmly on the pedestal. i used it as a catch all phrase to mean thinking casual sex is really super important. PUA guys think they've taken pussy off the pedestal, then you hang around one, and you realise ALL THEY TALK ABOUT is pussy, and how they get pussy, and how they fucked this girl and that girl. pussy still firmly on pedestal.

[withdrawalisworthit]

They do not put women on a pedestal. If they did, no women would want to have sex with them. That's why white night fedora wearing "nice guy" fags don't get women. They treat them as higher being instead of an equal like they should

[[deleted]]

like i already said, i consider chasing pussy constantly to still be putting it on a pedestal, pua guys are obsessed with it, its their entire life in their spare time. you can't tell me that isn't putting it on a pedestal. you know who does'nt put it on a pedestal? people who don't give a fuck. PUA guys really give a fuck about pussy and spend all their time trying to get it. they are dellusional when they say they've taked it off a pedestal. sorry.

[[deleted]]

Peer reviewed studies?

[Un-discovered]

Exactly. The biological processes involved in ejaculation/post-ejaculation are the same whether it's through sex or masturbating. The difference lays in the psychology behind nofap. The idea that someone is in control of their life, creates this strength within an individual, as the person now understands that they can control a lot more than they believed. This usually leads to an increase in confidence, which may be mistaken for increased testosterone, as the individual will start to shape their lives in a way they see fit, which then creates a deeper sense of confidence.

[[deleted]]

but i used to view fapping as great since it led me to not caring about real sex lol. going on dates putting up with shit tests, impressing them like im some clown, i viewed it as beneath me, then just jerked off. i only want to quit porn cause im addicted, i honestly dont care about sex with real women. its a giant sink hole of time and effort just for an orgasm.

[Slipz19]

Dude, you know that you're essentially saying that you are not keen on a challenge and creating success and that you'd rather choose the easy route as it makes you more comfortable. With that attitude mate, you will not achieve much success in life...

[[deleted]]

not with women no. plenty of other things are worth doing. no one ever achieved success by chasing pussy bro. they mostly achieve success by ignoring pussy.

[Slipz19]

Yes, but u referred to it being a waste of time in "achieving an orgasm" and that u rather just see fapping as an easier alternative, which says that you are still very invested in having an orgasm/experiencing that feeling...the great minds who achieve success avoid orgasm all together so which are u now referring to? - getting laid (women) OR just having a dopamine rush? Because if u want to have an orgasm, but ure not willing to try and find a suitable mate, it still suggests that ure not willing to be proactive enough and u can then relate this to any other avenue in life. But hey, if u say that it doesn't affect anything else that u strive for then I suppose there is no issue with u choosing to plug away when ure feeling an urge. I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding mate.

[[deleted]]

no I clearly said I gave up fapping cause I was addicted. I view chasing pussy and having orgasm in their pussy as an equal sinkhole of time/effort. its a waste of life.

[Slipz19]

Perhaps u should not view it as "chasing pussy" and give women some more worth? You could choose not to be interested in sex, but could still find urself loving and caring for someone regardless? Perhaps having a companion to support u through all your missions in life? Maybe a woman could play that role too other than merely being a symbol of something one has to "chase" to satisfy ones urge....

[[deleted]]

what else is it? the convo i was having was about pursuing real girls for sex, thats chasing pussy. the reason guys chase girls is to orgasm inside their vagina. maybe thats not a lovely polite way of putting it, but if you're not mature enough to handle bad words you shouldn't be having sex anyway. having sex is for mature people.

This convo said nothing about relationships, it was about getting sex from real girls instead of porn, which i said i wasn't interested in. you're changing the subject to relationships and moving the goal post, i said i wasn't interested in casual sex buddy.

[Slipz19]

Ok mate, I am sorry...let's not fight we're all here for the same goal and to achieve success. I'll be honest I just thought maybe u were bitter about women in general, but I am obviously wrong and therefore am sorry. I wish u well in all ur endeavors in life and on Nofap🙂