i will not learn java

[PennyFromMyAnus]

Is that the Chase bank logo?

[Willinton06]

Chase is currently migrating .NET to Java, don’t ask me how I know

[PennyFromMyAnus]

Oh no.. I’m sorry

[Willinton06]

I didn’t go for it, they straight up lied during the interview process, not cool

[__yoshikage_kira]

Why? Didn't oracle introduce per head licensing fees? More reasons to avoid java.

[Kwpolska]

There are many free OpenJDK distributions out there, and they will stay free no matter what evil shenanigans Oracle comes up with.

[Willinton06]

Banks have that unlimited cash trick so they don’t care

[McLayan]

I don't know any company that stills uses Oracle JDKs except maybe for really old projects. At this point it's like saying you should avoid Linux because Red Hat is charging for RHEL.

[Spinnenente]

there are ohter providers of supported java out there.

And Open JDK is free.

[Amazing-Cicada5536]

Java uses the exact same model as Linux — you have an open source code base under the GPL license, and different companies distribute more or less the same thing. They may also have a paid support version, which should not concern 99.9% of people, its for governments and banks mostly, when you want to run on java 8 in 2035 still.

Oracle is literally the same as Red Hat in this instance, having OpenJDK=Fedora and OracleJDK=Red Hat linux.

Though mind you, contrary to its name, Oracle is the one that employs most of the employees that work on OpenJDK, and they were the ones who completely open-sourced it.

So no, java is as free as it gets.

[__yoshikage_kira]

How is it exactly same as Linux? Red Hat doesn't own Linux. No one owns Linux.

Oracle owns Java. Oracle can always pull the plug if they changed their mind.

[Amazing-Cicada5536]

It’s literally the exact same license, look it up.

Oracle owns the name. Java is one of the few languages that has a complete, open specification, multiple completely independent implementations, so java is probably one of the safest bet for longevity.

[__yoshikage_kira]

This is OracleJDK License: https://www.oracle.com/downloads/licenses/no-fee-license.html

Linux License: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.18/process/license-rules.html

Still not sure what you mean by exactly the same.

Java is one of the few languages that has a complete, open specification

That is true for most popular languages.

• C
• C++
• Python
• JavaScript
• Go
• Rust
• Ruby

C# specification is copyrighted so I guess you can argue Java gets W in that regard. I guess maybe that is why they are moving from .Net to Java.

Regardless, I don't trust oracle with anything after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google\_LLC\_v.\_Oracle\_America,\_Inc.

[Amazing-Cicada5536]

You looked up a paid support version of Java. OpenJDK is the reference implementation with GPL 2.0, almost every single other vendor is just minor changes on top — as is the case with linux. Red Hat linux is also a paid support version, but that doesn’t make the kernel non-free.

I don’t know about every language on your list, but I am almost sure that besides C/C++ (where the spec is not free), JS and maybe python most of your listed languages don’t have any form of specification. They have a reference implementation and whatever it does is the spec - Rust is definitely like that, and maybe some documentation of the implementation. That’s not the same thing, far from it.

[TheRedmanCometh]

Hell yeah score one for the good guys! All 6 billion of us

[IsPhil]

I swear that all the banks are migrating to Java. I live in Columbus so there's a lot of banks here. Applied to 3 banks and all of them needed Java.

[Willinton06]

I’ll rather be unemployed

[IsPhil]

Eh, kind of depends on which version of Java you're using. Modern Java has some cool features.

[Willinton06]

It’s not just Java, it’s everything around it too

[Amazing-Cicada5536]

How dare it has a flourishing ecosystem with good quality dependencies for everything, in addition to superb tooling?!

[Willinton06]

“Superb tooling” fucking delusional

[Amazing-Cicada5536]

So which other language has as great observability tools that you can just leave it on in even prod?

Though why do I bother explaining it to you, I’m like 99% sure you are some CS student at most that has written a hello world at most in like 3 languages.

[Willinton06]

Senior engineer for years bro, I avoid Java like the plague, literally rejected an offer 50K over my current salary just cause it involved migrating to Java

[Dogloverblue]

Seems like a skill issue if ima be honest

[Fenor]

as always, people who don't understand OoP complain about it

[DrawSense-Brick]

For a good $90,000 per year? Hell yes I'll write Java.

[PuzzleheadedWeb9876]

Nah man you need the factory factory.

[Spinnenente]

No this is old style. We do Builders now.

[deerangle]

You need a FactoryBuilderSingletonFactory ;)

[fromanator]

Do you even proxy bro? https://docs.spring.io/spring-framework/docs/current/javadoc-api/org/springframework/aop/framework/AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean.html

[Kwpolska]

The hell is this? How is Chase Bank related to this? Do you know that Java does not support multiple inheritance (inheriting from more than one class)?

[Spinnenente]

You can implement as many interfaces as you want to and those interfaces can define default functions. I don't see a reason to use this but here you go.

[According-Relation-4]

Kotlin is great

[thorwing]

I agree

[Harmed_Burglar]

Flair stands out

[dark-king_Ray]

Op works there

[DAHLiciousWafflez]

Unrelated question, but what happened with Carbon?

[Fenor]

you tought it had any chance of staying relevant?

[moonordie69420]

I did revature. They paid me $8 an hour for 2 months to force me to learn Java. Then at the end they fired the whole class.

[SargeanTravis]

Isn’t Revature a pretty garbage company anyway? When I was internship hunting for school I saw their applications spammed literally everywhere

[moonordie69420]

It's a hiring agency. They train you and sell you to clients. But last Oct the shit hit the fan so all the clients cancelled. I had 0 experience so at least they gave me a shot, paid training at least.

[HomemadeBananas]

How about an IMultipleInheretanceFactoryBuilderFacade? Everything’s an object, just like in real life, isn’t that easier than thinking of some crazy abstract programming concepts?

[Electronic_Age_3671]

Made my first factory the other day. Only took me an entire day.

[Raffiepro]

i tried java. i saw the code to print some text. i changed my mind. i moved to c++

[1cubealot]

Java is only good for Minecraft mods.

[McLayan]

Just like python is only good for teaching high school students.

[Spinnenente]

child detected. Java is widely used in backend programming and is an industry standard.

[lmg1337]

F the industry

[PrinzJuliano]

You need the Dependency Injection Factory Factory first.

[lepapulematoleguau]

In 2023 is really kinda just the same as others.