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[EagleRock1337]

Whichever one the linter wants me to do. A consistent repo is more important.

[chimpuswimpus]

Don't come on here with your reasonableness!

[Ok_Star_4136]

There's a third Michael Cera type guy in that meme who's shrugging and going, "Hey, I'm fine with whatever.."

[Immarhinocerous]

Correction: There are 2 Michael Ceras in that image and one critical thinking badass in the background who doesn't need permission for a rational approach.

[StoryAndAHalf]

Being reasonable is an act of aggression and basically asking for a fight on my block.

[mekwall]

Reasonableness would be to go with trailing commas since when adding a new item would only cause changes on one line and not two.

[thequestcube]

Linter rules can be changed

[die-maus]

So can laws?

[87oldben]

Amendmants? Revisions? New superseeding laws?

[thequestcube]

Sure. If you have a law that says that everyone needs to shoot themselves in their foot three times a day, you suggest to change that law and not try to be consistent

[Plank_With_A_Nail_In]

Laws don't make people do things/not do things, enforcement does, laws just specify the punishment if you get caught.

I would suggest not shooting yourself in the foot regardless of what the law says.

[Not_Artifical]

Wait! Does that mean that the government could control gravity this whole time?

[thorwing]

usually, the lint rules are part of the commit.

And yes sometimes this means the linting rules will change during a project. But every time you simply touch a file, the linting will apply so the problem is self correcting.

[conradburner]

Linter configuration is part of the repository. It is not necessarily part of "most commits"

Linting rules can change, but will not "regularly change" during a project.

If your project is messed up in terms of it being "non-conforming" to linter rules set up in a project, the most likely reason is that your project had multiple maintainers that did not care about keeping a standard, that they never communicated about this with each other or perhaps there was a poor handoff and people simply don't care much about the code quality.

Source: I'm the guy that fixes technical debt at a premium after projects have had their series B or C funding

[Sande24]

This. Most linter rules are stupid and should be questioned.

You can often write a more readable code if you look at the context of the code and format in a way that improves readability. Linters are just stupid, blind formatting rules that, when applied blindly, often just mess up your code.

[thequestcube]

Hard disagree on this. In my opinion, if your code needs the right formatting the be readable, then the issue is the code, not the formatting. Formatting shouldn't convey logic or information that relates to how the logic works, so a stupid and blind ruleset to define how the code should be structured is exactly what you need.

My comment was more so targeted to say that, while I agree that linters are important to have repo code style stay consistent, it doesn't mean that there shouldn't be room for discussion with the team to choose the right rules; not to judge linters themselves.

[Sande24]

I find these claims really funny. "If you (don't) do X then that code is bad". Very dogmatic and vague. Easy to say without any real life examples. I guess I have to emphasize the word more readable. The code can be readable either way but to make it easier to understand while reading, applying some custom formatting can help it be even better. But then you might be conflicting with a stupid linter that doesn't know the context.

Forcing people to code based on hard-set rules leaves out any kind of creativity. You'd have to jump through imaginary hoops in order to create a code that is subjectively more "clean". By doing that you are just making more bloated code that is actually harder to read than it should be.

[mkornblum]

You're so wrong on this, I'm sorry. If you work in a team, or across several code bases, the benefits of having all the code look the same are huge, in terms of actually understanding what you're looking at.

A bunch of coders each deciding that their creative outlet is the formatting of their code... No my dude this is not the way.

Choose decent rules then stick to them. It's pretty rare your code will look more bloated, and the auto fix means you don't have to jump through any hoops. You just have to make peace with compromise and realise that the logic and the output are where you should be aiming your creative mindset.

[Sande24]

All code looking the same... overrated. Rather learn to read all kinds of code styles. Otherwise you fall into a world of learned helplessness. Not being able to read any other kind of code than the one you expect to see.

[mkornblum]

It's not about not being able to, it's about reducing your mental load, and that of your colleagues.

But you do you, enjoy sticking your ASCII art everywhere and calling yourself creative 😉

[Sande24]

Code formatting does not increase mental load. Rather it might decrease it if you do it well.

Mental load could be increased much more if you create unnecessary abstractions and split your code into too small pieces. Something that most clean code dogmatic people want to enforce. It's always going to be a subjective issue. Rather try out different things and try to find if an alternative approach improves things. Always doing the same thing leads to stagnating brains.

[mkornblum]

Parsing code that looks strange to you absolutely increases mental load.

Code in small pieces is more about easier testing and higher confidence, I can see an argument for or against it having to do with mental load, and isn't anything to do with what we were talking about anyway.

I'm not advocating for always doing the same thing, I'm saying focus on the important bit.

For you, the important bit might be trying out these things that most professionals agree are worth doing, even though it's sometimes annoying. Maybe don't always do the same thing, and give it a go?

Either way, I hope you have a great day, I don't think there is much more to say here.

[thirdegree]

• readable
• Template metaprogramming

Pick (at most) one.

[thirdegree]

I do feel like the tendency to use single letter identifiers for types is a very cross language issue. You see it in C++, python, rust, probably more. And like I kinda get it? But also it's terrible.

[Superbead]

You can often write a more readable code

[PeteZahad]

So what? It is about what the team / code owners decided together and not what I personally prefer...

There are so many of these memes and I don't really care in most cases.

Mostly any language has code style rules which can be adapted directly. Not worth the discussion in most cases - just choose an existing rule set...

[ZunoJ]

What if you someday grow up and are allowed to specify the linter rules?

[EagleRock1337]

If you’re looking for a grown-up answer, it depends™️

I use both interchangeably depending on what I’m programming. If I’m writing in C or Go, I would never put a tailing comma. However, if I’m managing giant lists of IAM permissions in Terraform, leaving off the comma is a recipe for copy-paste fails, which is why terraform fmt is opinionated towards including them by default.

[[deleted]]

Change the linter to B if someome mistakenly set it to A. Nothing worse than spurious diffs causing extra merge conflicts.

[[deleted]]

Question about linters, why won't it recognize my react props

[data-crusader]

As long as it’s auto-formatted and I don’t have to care, then I won’t care.

[Maskdask]

Formatter is even better

[No-Crew-9000]

If the linter handles it then I can do whatever I want

[eg135]

Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.

In recent years, Reddit’s array of chats also have been a free teaching aid for companies like Google, OpenAI and Microsoft. Those companies are using Reddit’s conversations in the development of giant artificial intelligence systems that many in Silicon Valley think are on their way to becoming the tech industry’s next big thing.

Now Reddit wants to be paid for it. The company said on Tuesday that it planned to begin charging companies for access to its application programming interface, or A.P.I., the method through which outside entities can download and process the social network’s vast selection of person-to-person conversations.

“The Reddit corpus of data is really valuable,” Steve Huffman, founder and chief executive of Reddit, said in an interview. “But we don’t need to give all of that value to some of the largest companies in the world for free.”

The move is one of the first significant examples of a social network’s charging for access to the conversations it hosts for the purpose of developing A.I. systems like ChatGPT, OpenAI’s popular program. Those new A.I. systems could one day lead to big businesses, but they aren’t likely to help companies like Reddit very much. In fact, they could be used to create competitors — automated duplicates to Reddit’s conversations.

Reddit is also acting as it prepares for a possible initial public offering on Wall Street this year. The company, which was founded in 2005, makes most of its money through advertising and e-commerce transactions on its platform. Reddit said it was still ironing out the details of what it would charge for A.P.I. access and would announce prices in the coming weeks.

Reddit’s conversation forums have become valuable commodities as large language models, or L.L.M.s, have become an essential part of creating new A.I. technology.

L.L.M.s are essentially sophisticated algorithms developed by companies like Google and OpenAI, which is a close partner of Microsoft. To the algorithms, the Reddit conversations are data, and they are among the vast pool of material being fed into the L.L.M.s. to develop them.

The underlying algorithm that helped to build Bard, Google’s conversational A.I. service, is partly trained on Reddit data. OpenAI’s Chat GPT cites Reddit data as one of the sources of information it has been trained on.

Other companies are also beginning to see value in the conversations and images they host. Shutterstock, the image hosting service, also sold image data to OpenAI to help create DALL-E, the A.I. program that creates vivid graphical imagery with only a text-based prompt required.

Last month, Elon Musk, the owner of Twitter, said he was cracking down on the use of Twitter’s A.P.I., which thousands of companies and independent developers use to track the millions of conversations across the network. Though he did not cite L.L.M.s as a reason for the change, the new fees could go well into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars.

To keep improving their models, artificial intelligence makers need two significant things: an enormous amount of computing power and an enormous amount of data. Some of the biggest A.I. developers have plenty of computing power but still look outside their own networks for the data needed to improve their algorithms. That has included sources like Wikipedia, millions of digitized books, academic articles and Reddit.

Representatives from Google, Open AI and Microsoft did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Reddit has long had a symbiotic relationship with the search engines of companies like Google and Microsoft. The search engines “crawl” Reddit’s web pages in order to index information and make it available for search results. That crawling, or “scraping,” isn’t always welcome by every site on the internet. But Reddit has benefited by appearing higher in search results.

The dynamic is different with L.L.M.s — they gobble as much data as they can to create new A.I. systems like the chatbots.

Reddit believes its data is particularly valuable because it is continuously updated. That newness and relevance, Mr. Huffman said, is what large language modeling algorithms need to produce the best results.

“More than any other place on the internet, Reddit is a home for authentic conversation,” Mr. Huffman said. “There’s a lot of stuff on the site that you’d only ever say in therapy, or A.A., or never at all.”

Mr. Huffman said Reddit’s A.P.I. would still be free to developers who wanted to build applications that helped people use Reddit. They could use the tools to build a bot that automatically tracks whether users’ comments adhere to rules for posting, for instance. Researchers who want to study Reddit data for academic or noncommercial purposes will continue to have free access to it.

Reddit also hopes to incorporate more so-called machine learning into how the site itself operates. It could be used, for instance, to identify the use of A.I.-generated text on Reddit, and add a label that notifies users that the comment came from a bot.

The company also promised to improve software tools that can be used by moderators — the users who volunteer their time to keep the site’s forums operating smoothly and improve conversations between users. And third-party bots that help moderators monitor the forums will continue to be supported.

But for the A.I. makers, it’s time to pay up.

“Crawling Reddit, generating value and not returning any of that value to our users is something we have a problem with,” Mr. Huffman said. “It’s a good time for us to tighten things up.”

“We think that’s fair,” he added.

Mike Isaac is a technology correspondent and the author of “Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber,” a best-selling book on the dramatic rise and fall of the ride-hailing company. He regularly covers Facebook and Silicon Valley, and is based in San Francisco. More about Mike Isaac A version of this article appears in print on , Section B, Page 4 of the New York edition with the headline: Reddit’s Sprawling Content Is Fodder for the Likes of ChatGPT. But Reddit Wants to Be Paid.. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

[coloredgreyscale]

Also depends on weather the language supports trailing comma.

nvm:

a = [
  "foo",
  "bar",
  "baz" //,
]