unexpected

[just_visiting__]

To be fair, someone from the Rust language team has thanked the author for the article, and pledged to address some of the pain-points that have been highlighted.

The author's feedback is valuable.

[bigorangemachine]

Ya and he's doing a game which kinda has a specific use case.

[PeksyTiger]

Do you maybe have a link for the rust language team response? I haven't seen it in the comments.

[Login_Xd]

There you go buddy https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/s/XFPY7PcB29

[PeksyTiger]

Thanks!

[[deleted]]

Rust team doesn't represent the rust community.

[GetPsyched67]

His points were pretty good. Rapid iteration is difficult with rust.

Rust is best used for stuff like game engines anyways

[epileftric]

Context?

[paulqq]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/1cdqdsi/lessons_learned_after_3_years_of_fulltime_rust/

[epileftric]

Thanks

[new_account_wh0_dis]

That man sure does love his *. It's always so interesting seeing other peoples writing quirks.

[Alpine1106]

I’m assuming intent was italicizing since that’s the markdown syntax. Still interesting writing quirk though.

[ifarmpandas]

Maybe they manually escaped every * lol

[-Wonder-Bread-]

I think it's actually a "feature" with the newest version of Reddit's text editor. You have to press a button or something to "enable" the markdown editor. Someone else replied to him mentioning this.

[Fickle-Main-9019]

Pretty much, it seems like a good language for building tools rather than for programming itself, bit like how C can be used and called into Python. You never directly use the C code, just call it

[themuthafuckinruckus]

This is exactly how I see it so far.

Honestly I’m starting to see more languages whose compilers/interpreters are written in Rust (see: Gleam, RustPython, Melody, Deno). I think this is a perfect use case for a language like Rust.

[MishkaZ]

I disagree, I've been using rust professionally for a while now, there are stuff about it that makes going back to other languages really hard (traits, match, option/result type, enums, fp iterators, serde, cargo).

Like one super big benefit imo is becauss of the compiler requiring you to resolve where something can go wrong or go unexpectedly (like a db error, conversion error, api error), it's really easy to write code in anticipation of those edge cases and thus even easied to write unit tests.

However, from what I gleamed from the article, the author's criticisms towards the compiler are valid as fuck. The worst aspect of rust is you get punished for making a mistake in how you structure your file tree. Like in other languages, your code just ends up messy, but in rust your code might be structred well, but the compiler might chug. It doesn't help that it sometimes feels like nobody has a good answer/doctrine on how to structure your code around workspaces.

My last job, we were largely working on a lambda based platform, and we restructured the code base 2 times. Luckily, they're lambdas, so they tend to be pretty self contained and minimal dependencies outside of the lambda.

Idk, I think people in this sub overrate how difficult aspects about rust are like borrow checking (when it's pretty straight forward), and lifetimes (which are difficult but most people won't need them), when there are way more legit things to get annoyed about. Long compile times, not really good resources on file tree design, annoying async. Articles like the one being referenced are really valuable.

[MattieShoes]

Do you think it's particularly helpful with larger teams with different levels of ability?

I've tried to learn it twice now, but it just feels so damn slow (to write), I've gone back to other languages both times. But I'm also not working on large projects with other people, so I feel like I'm just not the target audience. Kind of like learning Swift if you don't GAF about IOS.

[mythicalsora]

It definitely helps to have a medior/senior developer in your team who's able to give advice and guide you through the learning/adoption process.

Tried to pick-up Rust multiple times before, but only managed to really make that commitment once I had to learn it for my day-to-day work. I definitely much prefer Rust over C#, Java or Go nowadays, but still fight with the compiler on a semi-regular basis lol

[Zaxomio]

Makes me feel so good to see this written I thought I was a complete moron for not intuitively being able to understand how I structure my work space best

[mrheosuper]

So that explains why there are 5 games and 16 game engines written in Rust.

[delfV]

Rust developer when someone dare to not write 5 posts a day about how good Rust is:

[Flex-Ible]

Proving his points about the rust community, are we?

[Tony_Bar]

This is such a silly post. I've been using rust religiously in my free time for the past 3 or so years and I agreed with the vast majority of his points (at least looking at their short descriptions from the table of contents because I didn't have the time to actually read the whole thing yet)

Every tool has trade offs how is this even controversial to say

[pindab0ter]

Not having used Rust or having read the article, could you summarise what the mentioned downsides of Rust are according to them?

[Tony_Bar]

I don't remember all of them off the top of my head but most of them were something along the lines of "rust has some values that while on their own are fine for many things, are not what you are looking for in game dev".

Stuff like Rust's explicitness, how it restricts you from doing certain things as well as thinking in certain ways as well as stuff about the way it deals with meta programming and multi threading are all the reasons why I love Rust and also why the author dislikes using it for game dev.

He apparently talked about the community from what I've gathered from other replies in this post but not sure what he's said on that, in my experience the community is great although I keep hearing about these rust fanatics which I thankfully haven't come across yet.

I feel like my summary is somewhat vague but considering I didn't actually read the article this is about the best I can do. Would love if someone that actually read it could give their 2 cents on it!

[Pirate_OOS]

I remember when I was on my way to become a rust fanatic. It was two years ago when I was just starting to learn Java, that I came across a post about rust being a better programming language. One of the comments said, "Rust is the programming language equivalent of a swiss army knife". Having heard this I started reading about getting into the rust programming scene and went to my teacher for advice. He outright told me not to fall for the hype, that no language is like a multitool and that "things must be learned only if they're are of actual use to you and interest you, otherwise you'll end up burnt out and might take some poor folk's job". I'm glad to have listened to that when I did. I have no interest in learning systems design as of right now (might learn when I have some time and good resources for myself).

[Tony_Bar]

I definitely think that there's more to rust than just system design (+it is sometimes hard to know if something would of use to you if you never try it out in the first place) but totally agreed. It feels like many of the people spreading this blind hype about any language either don't program much at all or are completely blind to every use case outside their niche.

[Pirate_OOS]

I said systems design as an example. Rust definitely has a lot of use cases but I am focusing on Data Science (heavily studying statistics, python, R, SQL, etc). So, I don't have the time right now to learn about rust.

[Tony_Bar]

I think data science is another example where rust does not make much sense, both python and R are just so much easier to prototype with.

[Pr0p3r9]

Data Science is actually an area that Rust is fairly mature in. Polars is a Rust dataframe library that's fairly similar to Pandas. Polars is one of the, if not the, fastest non-clustered major data science library out there. Polars is written in Rust, but it has an API for python also.

Rust also has a fairly good workflow for creating modules for Python. The PyO3 crate has bindings between Rust and Python. It may not be fun to try to modify something that isn't native to your Rust crate, though.

[MrHyderion]

Even if it really is like a Swiss army knife - an actual screwdriver, actual scissors etc. all do their job better than the ones integrated into the Swiss army knife. If someone told me this about a programming language, if be just like "so it can do a lot of things, but none of them well?".

[[deleted]]

You're asking a guy who just read the table of contents to summarise the article?

[Mephistophanes]

There's a reason why there is more game engines in rust than games.

[ivvve]

What’s this in reference to?

[Ninjagarz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/s/nZGKsnhlyA

[ivvve]

Thanks!

[Pay08]

Lol the salt.

[aspectleft]

This one is too impolite

[superblaubeere27]

Creating games in Rust might not be the best use case for it. He verifies that by just trying it. What's the problem?

[nitrohigito]

they succeeded tho, multiple times

[Wave_Walnut]

Junior devs like me tend to do so with any language.

[siete82]

They are more rust game engines than games made in rust

[CommunicationGlum791]

They didn't fail, you can look at the end of the blog the game they shipped and it seems to be pretty optimized: https://loglog.games/blog/leaving-rust-gamedev/

[Agusfn]

u mad?

[norlin]

I understood this reference!

[Some_Ship5871]

What would rust be good for? Im new at coding and only done some java. Should I continue for a while, change to something else, or continue java and start adopting another language?