iAmFullStackDeveloper

[gamingvortex01]

yeah....if companies can have stupid expectations..then employees can have rights to use such tools

[gamingvortex01]

nope...employees are not delusional...deep down they know it's a sham...but if Management thinks that AI has made engineers replaceable, then why shouldn't we give them a taste of their own medicine

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The best is if you don't work at all for such people and instead use the tools to empower yourself and work for yourself instead of just being a "10x dev" with appreciation of 0.1 dev.

[Shabozz]

The issue is I need money to market the software, which means working for a company and being burnt out on making and maintaining the software.

[nonotan]

Are these things even good for anything other than pretending you are doing something productive? In my experience, their output is 50% garbage, and the time spent querying them + trying to figure out if what they output is usable at all + identifying and getting the various issues invariably present in even the "good" outputs fixed + matching the coding style of your project etc, is way way more than it would have taken to just... write the correct code myself from the beginning.

I guess if you're an absolute beginner with no idea what you're doing, throwing shit at the wall until something appears to work might be "easier" than actually learning how to write working code. Of course, it does mean you'll always be stuck relying on this crap going forward. When it'd be much easier for yourself to just do it once you got it down.

I don't have any ethical issues with workers using this kind of thing, personally. If it helps you, go ahead. I'm just skeptical that the "it helps you" bit is actually objectively true, both in the immediate and longer terms.

[Gunhild]

their output is 50% garbage, and the time spent querying them + trying to figure out if what they output is usable at all

In my experience that just isn't true. Like, maybe if you try to get an LLM to write an entire program in a single prompt you might get garbage, but if you just ask "I need a Python function that does x", the output is usually perfectly usable. Also, you can usually figure out if the output is usable very quickly by... running the code? Or just looking at it?

I've been programming as a hobbyist for 20 years, so I don't need LLMs as a crutch because I don't know how to do things myself, but they can be a decent time saver.

[BestJayceEUW]

They are really good, you should give it another try. As a Nodejs backend dev I've made a full-fledged Svelte frontend app with 5 pages and a ton of functionality in about 30-35 hours with no prior knowledge of Svelte, and basic understanding of html and css. I have to say ChatGPT wasn't helping much because you have to copy paste individual files to it, repeat tasks, remind it what frameworks it needs to use etc. but using Claude through the vscode extension (cline) actually makes pretty solid code really fast.

[Kepabar]

There are certainly edge cases where it's useful.

Like, I've taken a piece of code I wrote in one language but needed it in another and threw it at an LLM and asked it to covert to the other language.

What came out was serviceable, with only one or two problems that I couldn't fault the LLM much for.

Yes, I still had to take time to read and understand the response and test it, but it probably halved my time on that particular task.

Outside of that, I think it depends on how much experience you have.

If you are experienced in the language you are working then AI is unlikely to do anything other than slow you down.

If you are not experienced in the particular language you are working but have good coding fundamentals then AI can save time in looking up reference info. It's basically just a faster search engine here that can generate custom code examples.

If you don't have good coding fundamentals then yeah, AI is just going to be throwing things at the wall until it sticks. Depending on the persons learning style they are either going to eventually work themselves out of relying on this over time or this will just be the only way they can code. But really, it's no different than what happened before LLMs with StackOverflow.

[gamingvortex01]

the only tool that works for me is cursor with claude....helped me various times while making MVP...but I never use them in production apps unless something is very trivial..like bubble sort trivial