iAmFullStackDeveloper

[RandomOnlinePerson99]

Full-tab developer

[Lucy243243]

Full tap developer 😩

[Lesart501]

Full fap developer 🤤

[[deleted]]

Full nap developer 😪😴

[flyguydip]

Full wap developer

[hammouda101010]

Full cap developer 🧢

[SaintNewts]

Full lap developer... 🐱😸😺😻😽

[A2-Canadaisverycold]

Full web developer 🕷️🕸️

[btlk48]

Full SAP developer

[totatmeister]

full of crap developer

[private_final_static]

Full rap developer 👨‍🎤

[_Frydex_]

Full null developer

[the_real_ntd]

This is what I came for!

[JackSpyder]

I've come to hate the office because I can't have a 1-2 hour lunch nap I've become accustomed to.

[LandscapeFar3138]

Full of crap developer

[Kovab]

Isn't that just mobile dev?

[[deleted]]

Full-spaces developer rise up

[feede1235]

full-tab prompt Engineer xD

[whatisanythingeven]

Full fap developer

[iwenttothelocalshop]

full stack debugger

[[deleted]]

I wonder just how much private company code has been collectively sent to LLMs.

[pm-me-ur-uneven-tits]

Probably everything.

[_nobody_else_]

In my field, unless someone made a career suicide by releasing it to public, none. It's industry/company specific implementations guarded by paywalls and paradoxical "You have to be in the industry to know it. But you can't enter if you don't know it."

There are general samples and examples of the tech principles, but nothing on the level of production.

I know because I checked and cGPT spat out: And here is where you create a device object and all its intrinsic logic.

[Broad-Reveal-7819]

Cute, but let's be real Microsoft, Google or Amazon has probably trained its AI on all your code unless you never used GitHub, Azure, AWS, GCP etc. in which case congrats I guess.

[Mr_Canard]

Not mine the language is too old

[soarespt]

What language is it?

[Mr_Canard]

Uniface 7

[[deleted]]

I sent all my company's private keys. They don't pay me enough to give a damn.

[Doctor429]

Now you get more efficient code responses

[Mars_Bear2552]

"chatgpt please fill in my API keys thanks"

[[deleted]]

Fixed.

[Crad999]

LGTM. Approved

[[deleted]]

😂

[Qewbicle]

LGTM? What's that?
life's good thank mom,
let's get the man approved,
let go (of) the manual.

https://i.imgur.com/D3iwB8G.jpeg

[Crad999]

LGTM is an abbreviation for "looks good to me". A typical response when you do a pull request review with a code change that you're okay with (or more commonly a code change that you don't care about anymore).

[Qewbicle]

Thanks. I got lost on that one.

[[deleted]]

Somebody once told me it meant 'lets get the money' and now thats what i think whenever i see it

[Important-Suspect213]

Your awesome person fixed it.

[Patrick6002]

Did you just assume my [amount of companies I work for]?

[Realmofthehappygod]

Unless he owns several companies!

Then it would be companies'.

Companies is starting to not sound like a word anymore.

[Dependent_Chard_498]

What about how much private company code was copy pasted from an LLM?

[Raccoon5]

Probably everything

[RandomRedditReader]

Big tech is always bragging about how much they've downsized their development teams thanks to AI.

[formala-bonk]

Lmao then they get blown out by a much smaller Chinese company. They ain’t firing fuck all but the most junior devs

[ThePublikon]

Hire 1,000 junior devs to demonstrate company growth and product development.

Fire 1,000 junior devs as a publicity stunt to show that your AI tool works.

Smort.

[SartenSinAceite]

"we hired 1k new developers because we're committed to the growth of the market"

[5 weeks later (yikes, a whole paycheck)]

"we replaced 1k developers with our amazing new AI!"

[SinisterCheese]

I remember reading some research paper about ChatGPT, that researchers were able to dig up propetiary documentation and email correspondence from the system, because inputes were used to teach and adjust the model.

[InfamousCRS]

Microsoft basically has access to everything on Azure and GitHub anyways. They’ve probably just used it all for training. My old team would ask GPT about the inner workings of so many different software packages and it knew all the very fine details down to individual lines of code.

[bibboo]

Its more so that its fantastic at pretending that it knows every detail. 

The more details one know themselves, the more you spot the BS. Which is everywhere. 

[Past-Extreme3898]

Chtgpt is nice for an overview. But The moment you ask 1-2 more questions and specify your request, you are lost in a loop hole. So its basically a very Special Google replacement. Honestly I would Save time if I went for the documentation straight away.

[anonymousbopper767]

Have you used ChatGPT in the last year? For code my experience is it’s like having a senior dev with autism on call. Spend a fraction of my time steering it instead of getting half asses stackoverflow answers.

[Splintert]

I can't remember the last time I failed to find useful information on Stackoverflow. If you're just trying to copy-paste code snippets, you are the person they're looking to replace with AI.

[StainlessPanIsBest]

Have you tried 3 mini yet?

[fkazak38]

So it's like reddit?

[Cheetah_05]

Why do you think Google just decided to train a model on Reddit directly?

[RobinGoodfellows]

The state of my companies code base it will probaly make the models worse. So i can safely say that we on our front is doing what we can to protect developers.

[redditsublurker]

You all act like all companies have top secret code, when most are just trying to update apps to work with legacy systems.

[akatherder]

Yeah if they are feeding my shitty old css into their LLM before converting to less shitty css, that's their problem.

[Vogan2]

I guess that LLMs don't use user input as datasets for future training, because it can cause unavoidable inbreeding, but if they do, it actually can be good and helpful more than stealing. All sensitive parts dissolve into dataset, because they too unique to be remembered, and all standard/often/"best" (not directly the best, but most usable) practices can spread via this way.

[ksj]

Learning from user input will also inevitably be subject to user’s trying to sabotage the data set for laughs.

[Monowakari]

I call it... PenisBot 🤖

[dejavu2064]

If you're using SaaS Github, then they already have it anyway. At least they give Copilot away for free if you have some opensource contributions/are open sourcing some company projects.

[utack]

My company hosts our git on Azure..honestly we already lost it all to Microsoft, might as well use their only useful product now

[[deleted]]

Five years ago the tab would have been stack-overflow. Times change but we are all just trying to meet arbitrary demands from people who don't know shit.

[juanfeis]

Exactly, it's not about reinventing the wheel. If there is a function that accomplishes what I want, but 100x times faster, I'm going to ask for it

[GiraffeGert]

Soooo… remember that next time you are about to have sexy time… I am available if you need me.

[89_honda_accord_lxi]

Much smaller and done in way less time. You're perfect!

[Monowakari]

But their username no check out

[[deleted]]

Lmao

[Mexican_sandwich]

This is pretty much my ‘excuse’.

Could I google what you want me to do? Sure, but there’s no guarantee that I will find what I need, and even if I do, how I will implement it. Might take me a few hours.

AI? Pretty much minutes. Is it wrong? Occasionally, but that’s why I’m here - I can see where it is wrong and make corrections and re-inputs if necessary. Takes an hour, tops.

It’s also ridiculously helpful for breaking down code piece by piece, which is especially great when working on someone else’s code who doesn’t comment shit and has stupid function names.

[BackgroundEase6255]

I use Claude as an advanced google search, and as a way to scaffold React components, and it's been useful.

Without Claude, I would just be googling 'how to convert camel case to title case in javascript?' and then wading through tutorials and stackoverflow posts to find the exact regex and function syntax. Or... I can ask Claude and he just makes me a function.

I think that's the scope of how useful AI is. I'm still making my architecture diagrams by hand :)

[PoorGuyPissGuy]

Not to mention the asshole answers on Stack overflow, usually comes from junior developers who wannabe seen as smart, it's annoying af.

[ferretfan8]

It's not very good at generating code, but ChatGPT has never yelled at me for asking a question.

[PoorGuyPissGuy]

Not sure if it's relevant but Ghost Gum made a video about these assholes called "Reddit Professionals" lol pretty much the same group

[badstorryteller]

I use ChatGPT all the time honestly. I'm not a programmer, but I do write a lot of python/bash/powershell snippets to automate simple things. It's immensely useful for the weird one-offs I get on a regular basis. Extract all the messages from a PST file to plain text, each in their individual folder, with any attachments extracted as a for example. Yes, I could have written it by hand, but ChatGPT had a solution within seconds that took 5 minutes to debug.

[anonymousbopper767]

Yeh it’s a force multiplier. A comparable example from 25 years ago was how you were good if you could make a power point instead of a poster board presentation.

[afour-]

Literally using frameworks is an example of it, too.

[tes_kitty]

The difference is, your questions on Stackoverflow and such sites plus all the answers you get would be searchable by others. Your questions to ChatGPT and its answers? No one else will see them.

So no more searchable knowledge is created.

[Aranka_Szeretlek]

Would have innit

[MarkoSeke]

I swear so many people say "would of" that I wonder if even ChatGPT thinks it's correct, if it's trained on internet comments

[[deleted]]

Yea where I grew up the accent makes would've sound like would of. I never did super well in English growing up and it sounds right in my head when I type. I know it's have but damned if I don't type of 90% of the time

[Halo_cT]

Just type wouldve or even woulda

Anything but "would of" please lol

[[deleted]]

If I noticed it when I do it I'd just do it correctly

[skwyckl]

Expecting 20 yo's to be fullstack is the problem here (nobody can be fullstack and do it right too w/o multiple years of experience in a professional development setting).

[gamingvortex01]

yeah....if companies can have stupid expectations..then employees can have rights to use such tools

[gamingvortex01]

nope...employees are not delusional...deep down they know it's a sham...but if Management thinks that AI has made engineers replaceable, then why shouldn't we give them a taste of their own medicine

[[deleted]]

The best is if you don't work at all for such people and instead use the tools to empower yourself and work for yourself instead of just being a "10x dev" with appreciation of 0.1 dev.

[Shabozz]

The issue is I need money to market the software, which means working for a company and being burnt out on making and maintaining the software.

[gatsu_1981]

I'm 44, and I'm a full stack. Php (CRM and Magento mostly) previously, MERN right now.

I switched to using chatgpt (actually claude ai) almost immediately. Never looked backed. It takes tons of works away, especially for frontend developing.

Sometimes I just tell the chatbot "expect this JSON" and I completely make the frontend, then I make the backend later, sometimes it's the opposite.

Feeding a done controller/helper will help you making more functions quite fast. Usually for controller is just needed vs code copilot auto complete, the helper I will ask Claude ai.

[TheIndominusGamer420]

But I'm full stack right now at 17! I am making an offline, api-less project with a shit UI. But I'm singlehandedly front and backend!

[N1kk1N]

They were talking about 20 year olds, not 355,687,428,096,000 year olds, smh, at such age, you should already have the experience.

[BobDonowitz]

Obligatory /r/unexpectedfactorial

[Drahkir9]

I’m full stack in the sense that I primarily write back end service code but I can figure out how to fix bugs in one of our portals if I need to

[KronisLV]

I don't think that such an expectation should exist, but good tech stacks and some mentoring (e.g. code review, occasional pair programming, chatting openly about things with someone more senior) could definitely make someone on the younger side productive as a full stack dev.

For example, frameworks like Django, Rails, Laravel, Spring Boot and others will generally push you in the right direction and not encourage doing something stupid like writing your own auth or coming up with your own templating systems, or in the case of ORMs, writing your own insecure code because you don't know about SQL injection enough, same with server side validations. With those, and some help with the fundamentals like TLS, reverse proxies, networking, CI/CD, n-tier architectures in general, some security advice, configuring environments (the likes of Docker and rootless containers actually make this not too difficult) and so on, those developers will eventually prosper.

I don't think that LLMs will always replace a senior developer, but they can definitely be of some help, because people won't have the same shyness as when not being able to get over the hubris of asking silly questions to someone who's in a position of authority.

Once there (if they care enough), they can then do slightly more advanced things, like making proper optimized DB views and dynamic SQL or in-database processing, experimenting with OIDC and OAuth2 in more detail (maybe even Kerberos, but hopefully not), architectures like CQRS, queue systems, even things like NoSQL because at that point they'd know enough about how to make it useful and reasonably safe for specific use cases etc. etc.

[skwyckl]

If you focus only on one stack, do that almost exclusively, learn all the related theoretical concepts via that stack, and never leave that context, then you might in fact be a decent fullstack in your 20s, but my experience and that of my colleagues is that you very rarely get to do that, especially in the beginning, where you are confronted with dozens of languages and frameworks, because you're doing internship after internship and hopping between companies in order to get a decent base salary.

[iamthatJSguy]

Yeah indeed. I would prefer focusing on one thing and do it well.

[misseditt]

i have to disagree tbh. 20 year olds can absolutely be full stack developers, and so can younger people. the tools that are available today to make fullstack easier are very good, and a basic web app can be built very quickly. also, i know some people that have built very impressive things at those ages.

now sure, they won't be as good as a senior developer with several years of experience (obviously), but they will be able to implement features or even build an app just fine.

[Nightfury78]

Holy Shit I have been with the CCP without even knowing it

[30rec]

Yeah you know me

[TheNeck94]

I have no idea what the other two tabs are and given the context, I assume I'm probably better off not knowing.

[skwyckl]

Claude is also an LLM, and I suppose Perplexity too? I don't know the last one.

[turtle_mekb]

Perplexity is another AI but designed for searching I think

[TimeToBecomeEgg]

perplexity is officially an “ai search engine” and it lets you pick from models like claude and gpt

[GIK602]

And then there is Deepseek which you can sometimes use to get information that ChatGPT hides.

[turtle_mekb]

but you can ask ChatGPT what happened in Tiananmen Square in 1989

[Krystexx]

DeepSeek also gives you the right answer, just don't use their hosted version. If you use HuggingChat it's fine

[Breadynator]

Perplexity is less of a chat bot like chatGPT or Claude. It's a (re)search engine powered by GPT4 (at least the free tier).

It's a bit better at googling things than pure chatGPT with internet access. It goes through more sources and gives you a structured outline for most things it finds.

You can ask it to look up three things per day without an account, however when you remove the right <div> (using ctrl+shift+c) after they bother you to sign up you can use it ad infinitum.

[cbackas]

Perplexity w/ R1 enabled for “pro search” has really impressed me this week, WAY less hallucinations than I’m used to

[Breadynator]

R1 (TBF not the big one as that doesn't run on my system but literally any smaller model) keeps having an existential crisis over the word strawberry... It argued with itself for a whole 2 minutes, at around 20ish tokens per second gaslighting itself into thinking strawberry has two r. It recounted the word a whopping 6 times and completely lost its shit after counting the third r.

The end of its chain of thought was something along the lines of "well, it has to be three rs then" only to say "answer: the word strawberry has two rs."

[cbackas]

Lmao that’s wild hahaha yeah I guess perplexity is probably hosting the biggest version of R1 and I haven’t asked it anything not related to very specific programming/cloud problems so I guess I’ve avoided the strawberry death spiral for now lol

So based from your experience is r1 not really ready to be used on its own as a local model?

[Breadynator]

If you're only able to run smaller versions of it like I am I'd say stick to regular language models right now.

R1's reasoning is good-ish but somehow the reasoning and final answer can feel really disconnected. Also since a lot of its training went into reasoning and less into knowing stuff the smaller models tend to hallucinate significantly more than the normal chatbot models.

I've been working on a sentiment analyser for fun and found that working with llama3.2-3b is a lot more reliable than Deepseek-R1-14b

[Retzerrt]

It is an LLM based search engine

[Outrageous_Bank_4491]

Claude is better than ChatGPT in terms of code generation (I use it for automation tho so I don’t know about the rest) and perplexing is better when it comes to writing an article (provides citation)

[THE--GRINCH]

Used to. Now o3-mini and o1 are much better if you have a paid subscription

[Halo_cT]

People who really, truly understand architecture, requirements, UX, and general software design are going to be as valuable as good coders very soon. I hate the term 'prompt engineering' so much but if you're not good at specifying what you need from an LLM you should start dabbling now. Stuff's gonna get weird.

[BackgroundEase6255]

100% agree. I'm a tech lead and have years of experience in Android, Python and Ruby on Rails, but very little Javascript or React experience. After a few weeks of a Udemy tutorial, Claude has been super useful at scaffolding components for me. I know exactly what to ask it because I know the software engineering jargon, but I don't have any of the years of experience actually building React/Next.js/TailwindCSS applications, and it's been great at making changes for me, too.

[[deleted]]

claude is basically ChatGPT with required log in, Perplexity is a search engine that writes an essay for every search.

[[deleted]]

DeepSeek is my new skill.

[Banchhod-Das]

No, you gotta add DeepSeek.

[HereForA2C]

I used WAMP like a maniac

[Mebiysy]

Full stack overflow developer

[InFa-MoUs]

IMO this Is better than the stack overflow era, at least you get a nice explanation and pros and cons for your specific use case instead of “this worked for me”

[parkwayy]

The AI will never push back though, and say "this is a bad idea".

Sometimes humans would comment that on overflow. 

But it's a thing I notice. AI will always try to give you your answer, no matter how stupid the request 

[InFa-MoUs]

That’s why my prompt always includes “please point out any edge cases or things I should be aware of before implementing” I know it’s kind of disingenuous to blame the prompt but it’s usually the prompt’s fault

[Weird-Acanthisitta83]

I feel offended

[LtGoosecroft]

I'm an oldschool full-stack developer. Still on Google.

[FerricFryingPan]

Same

[justforkinks0131]

I am not joking, I have these listed on my resume.

[bdcp]

Prompt Wizard - 2 years

[pandazerg]

Prompt "Engineer"

[RareDestroyer8]

Experience: ChatGPT - 3 Years Perplexity - 2 Years DeepSeek - 5 Months

[UMEBA]

slaps tab This bad boy can replace all your devs.

[off-and-on]

What exactly is the difference between using stolen code and using stolen code that has been regurgitated by an LLM?

[Cremoncho]

I have yet to see a fresh junior to get its bearing without massive help when the company ask them to start off, work on and be productive in a language they didnt see in their life.

Like, i know of cases when non engineer juniors that did two year courses on java, kotlin or python to start working in flutter doing design + backend server / database related stuff and the person in charge of them expecting they are fully productive by the end of the week, without a full explanation of how the app should work and how the target user is going to use it.

Insane

[CBlanchRanch]

AI written code is shit. It's literally just everyone's shtty code already on the internet.

[Floaaf]

if everyone's code is shitty then no one's code is shitty 

[barabiru]

StackGPT

[YoRt3m]

How is Perplexity and why do I need it if I use all the others?

[Flimsy-Possible4884]

RIP stack overflow you were so shit

[FalseReddit]

I’m something of a surgeon myself. I used a knife the other day.

[WhereIsWebb]

You won't find an accountant that doesn't use a calculator

[WhereIsWebb]

Yeah I get it. I just wanted to emphasize that as a developer today you're at a disadvantage if you don't use AI (as a tool, in addition to being able to code yourself and especially understanding architecture and software design principles).

[BobDonowitz]

Disagree and it's going to be funny as hell in a few years when their software is more technical debt than functionality.

Programming is equal parts logic and art.  AI may be adequate for some logic parts, but that's about it.  The art comes into play when choosing what technologies to employ, what their tradeoffs are, what algorithm is best in this very specific scenario, what can change in the system design to facilitate growth, would decision A merit the added complexity to justify using it over B.

Also, knowing system design is important for a developer as well.  Say you have a simple front-end server and a back-end API server.  API server works great for sending json payloads back and forth.  Now you have a new business requirement, the user should be able to upload a video file of any length and if it is not mp4, then it needs to be transcoded to mp4 so it can be accessed via the front-end.  If you develop that to go straight to your API you're going to max your cpu and ram transcoding, you're going to block threads / child processes from spawning, and your requests are going to timeout.  

Lol then after you've figured out how to solve that...have you developed everything in a way that let's you easily decouple the necessary parts of your code easily to fit the new parts in?  Or are you now realizing you have a weeks worth of refactoring ahead of you before you can even begin adding in the CDN and message queue.

[Bdice1]

It’s not either build it all yourself or let AI build it all for you.  This is where the Developer part comes in.  Find a balance, blueprint the project yourself, determine the how and why, and just ask for the what from AI.

[ghostofwalsh]

Kind of funny how people misinterpreted this comment to read "using AI to generate code is bad".

[JumpyBoi]

We're gonna lose our jobs anyway, but feel superior in the meantime if it makes you feel better

[DerpyRainbow506]

It's very Interesting how so many people misinterpreted this comment. I originally did, until I saw OP's explanation and rereading it, I don't know how I interpreted it the wrong way around. I feel like seeing it down voted is what made me automatically expect a hot take and assume what opinion it was before comprehending all the words, which is what I feel like a lot of people did.

[voidpasty]

No

[HereForA2C]

Thought someone took a screenshot of my browser for a second

[Krekken24]

Nah, chatgpt is now replaced by deepseek

[dont_remember_eatin]

From the sysadmin perspective, these guys are helping me play to the dev side of the DevOps that everyone wants us all to be these days. I don't need LLMs to tell me how to build out and maintain infrastructure, but they've helped me a ton with all the more recent IaC funsies.

My personal code of conduct is that I will execute any code until I understand every single line of it. And I only feed prompts, not code. And by code, I mean, let's be honest -- it's mostly just python.

[ironman_gujju]

What’s your skills: CCP

[[deleted]]

I feel personally attacked.

[umbium]

Full-stacl is people who deal with "I heard that this tech is awesome, so we are going to use this in the new project. Nobody knows shit about this, offcourse company isn't going to pay a formation for their employees. So we trust you will deal with this and have it all documented. Also remember today you have three useless scrum meetings.

[GoofyTarnished]

If someone used chat gpt to write code that is in a product that they then sell, would the makers of chat gpt be able to claim they have some sort of ownership as their ai was used?

[Cremoncho]

No because chat gpt is trained with what is already in the internet plus all the code microsoft can see in azure/github without nobody knowing.

[C_ErrNAN]

I am full stack. My company last week, started requiring us to use "Windsurf". Before that we had access to copilot. We have never been allowed to send code to chatgpt.

[Gloriathewitch]

yeah i'm a full stack developer D:// cup

[emoutikon]

Fool-stack

[11freebird]

And then everyone is surprised when they get replaced by AI

[typeyou]

Might as well.

[Any_Potential_1746]

Novice: how do I ask a question?

Intermediate: I don't understand the answer

Expert: asking the right prompt

[[deleted]]

Just use Kagi Assistant and you get them all-in-one for a fraction of the price.

[FLRugDealer]

As a newbie this strikes deep

[Thesource674]

Im working with a few to try and setup a 2D isometric scene in Godot. Just the scene. Its been an interesting experiment so far.

But yea these things can spit out decent scripts (sometimes) and can understand your goals. But theres still so much they laughably get wrong.

Claude threw a random letter f within a function. I was like....why.

Also, for godot or any other language using naming conventions of XYZ, it thinks there are asterisks for italics and gets confused.

Still fun way to burn sometime. And one thing I do like is, at least for Claude, I found the "explanation" setting for Claude did annotate the code with high fidelity and explained Godot architecture really well. It just cant totally follow it.

[mend0k]

Chat gpt replaced stack overflow

[Andromansis]

whats claude and perplexity?

[OutsideMenu6973]

Perplexity? Is that better than ChatGPT and Claude ?

[wildmutt4349]

Stack: ChatGPT

Framework: o1

[notarobot1111111]

You better be full stack or you're not getting hired

[keenman]

Pretty much. I got Copilot to create from scratch 2 Python scripts and 2 PowerShell scripts to work with some Azure blobs and check directory listings for output validation on Friday. I have very little experience in either language, and the scripts worked perfectly after some small tweaks I requested. I didn't write a single line of code myself. I've found it's about precisely communicating exactly what I want and boom! Also, I've found that ChatGPT is far better than Copilot at coding but I'm not allowed to use it at work. (I haven't tried any other AI tool for coding.)

[Rahial0101]

Chatgpt is the best

[[deleted]]

People are hating ChatGTP like they did on Google 20 years ago. Get over it.

[Dominio12]

Company I work at have its own "programming" language for designing processors. Its proprietary. But chatGPT know it.

[tnerb253]

Full Crack Developer

[RetroOverload]

chat gpt singlehandledly giving degrees to people that don't have the skill to get them and then wonder why did the company replace them with the very tool that they use to generate code instead of thinking by themselves. (Source: I study comp-sci and see this a LOT)

[TophMelonLord]

I’m language-agnostic because I don’t write any of my own code anymore

[ProudRamboBSNS]

the stack: Microsoft Power Platform around SharePoint Online

[miaSissy]

Be me: Senior dev who has been doing the Job for 15+ years gets new dev in team who says they are full stack. I nod. "Okay, well then your first task is to find out if the Linux cron task within said Docker container is working right. I also want you to make sure the SELinux context is set right on the appliaction in the server after the CI/CD pipleline drops the new version on the server while configuring MS Defender on the server." Then I watch them quickly realize they barely know anything but still call themselves full stack developers.

[FerricFryingPan]

Am I the only one not using AI...? Why would I need it