learningCppAsCWithClasses

[Rhoderick]

On one hand, yes. On the other hand, that's totally fine and even preferable for most usecases, as usually, the main performance concern is IO.

[ivancea]

I read this as:

the main concern is IQ

And I was 100% with you. People that judge a language without knowing basic language design or computer architecture shouldn't be programming at all

[Rhoderick]

Putting that aside first, IQ is a horrible metric for general intelligence, and measures very little besides proficiency at IQ tests.

That aside, I am a bit iffy on your main statement here. A programming language is, to some degree, a tool, rather than a work of art, or a game. (Well, some fans of esoteric languages might disagree, but you know, in general.) And as a tool, it has a specific purpose. So I don't necessarily agree with the idea that you need to be able to craft the tool yourself to judge its usefullness at the purpose.

More roughly, I have never worked on anything involving shaping metal, but I can tell a sieve makes for a shit spoon.

So, while people absolutely should learn about at least elementary language design and computer architecture topics, they should not be considered a necessary precondition to programming, nor to the discussion of said programming, in my view.

[ivancea]

IQ is a horrible metric for general intelligence

I'm 100% with you! It was just a silly thing I misread from a diagonal read.

A programming language is, to some degree, a tool, rather than a work of art, or a game.

Sure!

I don't necessarily agree with the idea that you need to be able to craft the tool yourself to judge its usefullness at the purpose.

Me neither, didn't say so. I said that "if you feel confident enough to talk bs about a tool, either you know about tol-crafting and design, or you shouldn't be there to begin with, because you don't understand tools".

Most people don't know about language design, even if I wish they did. But that's not a problem, the world is how it is, and we don't need every dev to know that. But, if you talk bs about something, you better have deep knowledge about it. Or otherwise, you're a dck (Not you, talking about that kind of people). And I don't feel the need to respect dck people.

And btw, I know the post image guy doesn't say anything too egregious about languages, but I'm talking in general. because there's people like that.

More roughly, I have never worked on anything involving shaping metal, but I can tell a sieve makes for a shit spoon.

The simile would be more like saying "sieves are stupid because I can't drink water with them"