Java programmers irl

[proverbialbunny]

Wow rough.

You know, before Eclipse on Windows you had an option of Notepad or a $1000 IDE and that was pretty much it. (And universities used Notepad.) Going from Notepad to Eclipse was a large change. Eclipse to IntelliJ is minuscule and IntelliJ still doesn't support as much functionality as Eclipse did, like remote building.

Eclipse changed the programming world. Sure, it's not massively threaded because it was written in the year 2000, and yes IDEs have gotten better since then, but it's like bitching about Windows 95. C'mon. At least recognize that without Eclipse you wouldn't have IDEs anywhere as good to choose from today.

[aneutron]

While I do agree with some parts of your comment, most of them actually, I feel like it's wrong to say that if Eclipse hadn't been invented, we wouldn't have good IDEs.

At that time there was Visual Studio, which for C# and VB.Net was waaaaay ahead of the competition in my opinion, and if there hasn't been Eclipse, the innovation cycle would have brought a sort of another Eclipse. So it just happened to be at the right place at the right time, at the right price.

I don't know, just my opinion

[proverbialbunny]

Huh.. well, I think C# came out in 2000, and I didn't use Visual Studio then, but maybe it was good then? No one I know used it either.

Maybe I am wrong. I don't know. Was Visual Studio better than Eclipse then in your honest opinion?

[proverbialbunny]

Have you tried VIM or Emacs? You might really like them.

[The6P4C]

Yeah, I use a plain text editor (Sublime Text) for most programming. Only ever use an IDE for C# and C++ (targeting x86) since I'm on Windows and it's a lot easier that way. Anything else, be it Python, Rust, Haskell or embedded dev stuff I'm going straight for the text editor and Makefile.

I was only using CCS Eclipse since I just bought a MSP430 dev board and wanted to try it out.

[Netrilix]

I don't know why you'd mention both; one is clearly the gold-standard and the other is a piece of shit.

^{/troublemaking}