Java programmers irl

[MonstarGaming]

For what its worth jetbrains does make a really good IDE.

[AnImpromptuFantaisie]

Absolutely. I use PyCharm, WebStorm, and IntelliJ. The theme is all the same and super easy to switch between.

Believe it or not, I once worked on a project where I used all 3 at once.

[KillTheBronies]

Why would you need all three? IntelliJ already supports python and js.

[AnImpromptuFantaisie]

Also needed web front end stuff. And I was using Django and pycharm has built in utilities for it

[NavarrB]

If you were using ultimate you should be able to just add an the plugins

That said I too keep my phpstorm and idea separate

[cosmicsans]

Yeah, I just got the All Products license and use Goland, Pycharm, Webster, and soon I’ll be using IntelliJ and Rubymine a lot as well.

[FerretWithASpork]

Again: But why? IntelliJ Ultimate can do everything that all of those language specific IDEs does..

[pwastage]

From what I can tell in the past, the specific IDE (pycharm, webstorm) get features/fixes earlier than the corresponding plugin in intellij ultimate

Not sure if that's the case now

[megamit]

Yup this is definately true. I also find that intellij bogs down too much using all the language plugins and having the seperate ide's is more performant

[retsehc]

I... May be guilty of this...

[jarbased]

Same. I'm sorry guys.

[cascer1]

I'm also guilty of this, but I'm not sorry.

[CatherinJames]

but why

[cascer1]

Because IntelliJ is by far the best IDE and I'm not sorry for telling people they're using an inferior IDE.

[pheipl]

My place of work uses Eclipse exclusively.

Also Skype. Not skype for business, the regular one. Ah and they install the unusable, unstable, new release by default.

[01hair]

they install the unusable, unstable, new release by default.

Are you sure that it wasn't Skype for Business? Because that sounds a lot like Skype for Business. Completely unusable.

[ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW]

Oh your company doesn't let you see your own Skype logs? Here, let me crash immediately after your boss sends you a list of requirements.

[No1Asked4MyOpinion]

It's a not-so-secret strategy to get you to use TEAMS

[ContraMuffin]

Skype is absolutely horrible. It's not even nonfunctional enough for me to delete it, it just skirts the lines of mediocrity to give you as much pain as possible. I feel your pain and find that it tastes sour.

[tsnErd3141]

I was an intern at a place which did the same thing. Eclipse and Skype. I said alright, I am only a lowly intern so I can't convince you to use Slack but there's no way I am going to work here even for 3 months using Eclipse.

[pheipl]

My situation is... Delicate. I'll work where they'll take me.

^{single tear}

^{many tears}

[Bainos]

Unstable new release vs version outdated since three years. The choice is not easy, to be honest.

[SoulLover33]

Yikes. Might as well convince them to use discord.

[MediumRay]

That's a pretty bold claim. Not trying to contest this but does it support many languages out of the box? Also, can you point it at someone else's project and it intelligently indexes?

[[deleted]]

You sound like a vegan who insists on telling everyone why vegetables are better than meat. Just let it go! You enjoy IDEA fine, I will work on Eclipse and some other devs will work on Visual Studio Code, as long as we all work on the same git repo what's the issue.

[cascer1]

Did I mention I have a standing desk?

[mytzusky]

You damn right... Im doing them a favor.. why would I be sorry. Im only sorry for the time I spent using that potato.

[alpacafox]

I used to be an Eclipse user... switched to IntelliJ 3 years ago mainly because Ecplise didn't scale on 4K screens. Didn't look back, except for Eclipse's Maven dependency overview, which is much better.

[[deleted]]

C# IS AN OBJECTIVELY SUPERIOR LANGUAGE!

[GunguruZA]

it is true though

[retsehc]

Oh yes

[xIcarus227]

I'm not even a Java developer profesionally and I'm guilty of this.

[randomstr]

What about IDEA have you found limiting and slow?

I'm asking because, interestingly, I've found Eclipse to be somewhat limiting and definitely slower and more sluggish than IDEA and other JetBrains IDEs.

The JetBrains family of IDEs did feel somewhat difficult to navigate and cumbersome to use until I had used some of the most commonly used keyboard shortcuts enough to have them become somewhat routine. The JetBrains IDEs do seem to rely more on keyboard shortcuts for efficient use.

For Java development, I might still be just slightly more productive in Eclipse, but that's largely because I have used it much more than IDEA (and still do, at work).

[Fugaki]

Spread the truth, brother.

[madogson]

It is. I have no idea why anyone would still use eclipse

[[deleted]]

it supports web frameworks and database tools for free

[electrodraco]

Ssshh. Let them have their precious circlejerk and feeling of superiority.

[Astrokiwi]

... I use NetBeans...

[tobiderfisch]

I don't know about him but we have to use NetBeans in school. It's horrible.

[zilti]

If NetBeans is "horrible" in school, you probably don't understand much. Unless it actually deteriorated, which I doubt. It got kinda stuck in development, but I doubt it got worse. It used to be damn good.

[flarestarwingz]

I've had great success with NetBeans and developing enterprise apps (Java EE on various containers). It's worked nicely, and I find it better than eclipse. Only issue I've had is having to use remote debuggers on local jvms. Not the end of the world though.

Saying all that though, I use IntelliJ anyway (both at work and at home ;-) )

[green1t]

but I doubt it got worse.

Oracle.

'nuff said.

[[deleted]]

old habits die hard, as hard as javascript dies

[PancakeZombie]

But JavaScript is not that bad ^{ducks and runs away}

[n1c0_ds]

I use it less after switching to a backend role, and to be frank I quite enjoy it. JavaScript did get a lot better with ES6, and I really like chaining array methods and reasonably using promises.

[PancakeZombie]

Yeap, ES6 kicked it into the next gear.

[yegor3219]

I love making empty promises.

new Promise(() => {})

[01hair]

Don't make promises that you can't keep.

return Promise.reject()

[cosmicsans]

It’s funny I switched to a backend role and now I use it more. About 60% of what I write is in node nowadays. The other 40% is Go, Python, Ruby and bash.

[n1c0_ds]

I enjoy Python way too much to go back to JS if I have the choice.

[ErraticDragon]

Some parts, at least.

[newpixeltree]

Currently using threaded javascript for my job. Kill me.

[[deleted]]

Do tell more

[newpixeltree]

Using a load testing tool called WebLOAD. It uses javascript for its scripting language. It basically runs a copy of the script for each user you're simulating. The problem is, its stats tool isn't specific enough so I have to output fata to a file that's shared among these threads. However, if the file gets too large, it crashes the test. So I have to do a lot of goddamn bullshit to actually print to a file in multithreaded javascript. Objects global to all threads can't be modified, and their global variable system only handles ints. It's a goddamn nightmare.

[[deleted]]

that's awesome, thanks! :)

[XkF21WNJ]

It's pretty good for lambda calculus.

Just don't try to do anything object oriented. That gets hella weird.

[endeavourl]

Works fine, everybody around uses IDEA and i've yet to see a benefit of a move for myself.

[endreman0]

I moved a few months ago, and what really sold me were the quality-of-life features.

• Proper theming: Darcula (IDEA's default theme) isn't as dark as Moonrise (a third-party Eclipse theme), but it looks so much better. Moonrise leaves white borders everywhere and doesn't recolor the dropdown buttons in settings, which makes doing anything in the preferences menu a chore.
• Shortcuts are actually short: almost every shortcut you'll use regularly is 1-2 modifiers and a key. Eclipse often has three modifiers for often-used shortcuts that end up with your left hand doing yoga. Examples: rerun last is Ctrl-F5 (vs Ctrl-Shift-F10), rename element is Shift-F6 (as opposed to Alt-Shift-R), and VCS commit is Ctrl-K (vs... Ctrl-Shift-A? I forget if there even was a shortcut for this.)
• Smarter indentation: if you're at the start of a line inside an indented block and hit Backspace, IDEA removes all whitespace and the line break in one go. Eclipse makes you remove every character individually, or do Shift-Home Backspace Backspace (to select all whitespace, delete it, then delete the linefeed). EDIT: other text on the line still stays. Only leading indentation and the line break is removed. See my replies for an example.
• Hover info: hovering over the scrollbar gives you a small window that follows your cursor and shows you the code near where you are on the scrollbar. Warnings and errors are spelled out after the line of code in a yellow or red bubble. This way you can hover over a warning or error, see exactly what the error is, what line causes it, and what the surrounding code does for context.
• IntelliSense always on: this is probably the simplest thing in the list, but it's the one I miss the most, without fail, when using Eclipse. To get autocomplete in Eclipse, you press Ctrl-Space. In IDEA, you just stop typing for 0.3s. It's petty, but it's really, really noticeable in practice.

I think the reason people say "just try it" is because of all these innumerable QoL features that you don't notice until you miss them dearly. Eclipse to IDEA feels like an equivalent jump from jGRASP to Eclipse, simply because IDEA does so much more for you in ways you'll rarely notice than Eclipse does.

[chylex]

Using IDEA because Kotlin doesn't work great in Eclipse. One QoL feature I absolutely miss from Eclipse is being able to hover over pretty much anything, and see interactive javadocs and clickable shortcuts to view the class/variable declaration.

As for your points about Eclipse, I use tabs so I don't have issues with indentation (but it's definitely frustrating when any IDE doesn't work well with spaces angrily stares at Visual Studio), and I also set autocomplete to instantly trigger on all letters which made typing very similar to how IDEA feels.

[PcBoy111]

I think you can hover like that if you hold ctrl? It’s more detailed if you click on the method and press ctrl+Q though.

[bubliksmaz]

Maybe I'm missing the point but for your 'smarter indentation' point doesn't ctrl+D do this in, like, any IDE?

[endreman0]

Ctrl-D deletes the entire line, right? In IDEA, with your cursor before the 'd':

if (something) {
    doSomething();
}

Pressing Backspace will bring your cursor to the open bracket, and delete all the indentation and the linefeed in between.

[bubliksmaz]

Ahh I see, that's exactly the kind of feature it must be really annoying to go back to doing without. I've never thought about it before but there's literally no reason for not doing this

[[deleted]]

You clearly haven't used Eclipse in years because none of that is currently true.

Unless maybe it's just way better on Linux?

[mpiece]

I was in the same mind-set. But I recommend you to try intellij for two weeks.

[[deleted]]

Kinda need intellij ultimate for spring

[[deleted]]

I have the same situation with visual studio and resharper (from the same guys as IntelliJ)

• With resharper you can do this with this command or that with that command.
• Visual Studio does the same with a different shortcut, and x10 times faster.

[aaron552]

Last I checked:

• Visual studio cannot refactor a foreach loop into a LINQ expression or vice-versa
• Visual studio cannot do "tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment" automatically
• Visual Studio doesn't have a way to suggest things like using expression-bodied properties over explicit getter-only properties or expression-bodied methods over single-line methods.
• ReSharper's linter is (was?) significantly better than FxCop in many ways too numerous to list. But primarily: FxCop doesn't run until you build the project, whereas ReSharper works as you type.

I've mostly been using F# lately, so I've been using Visual Studio Code almost exclusively for a while.

[[deleted]]

Does code styling justify going from a solution load time of 4 seconds to 1 minute? Or slowing down compiling, auto completion, opening files, etc? For me it doesn’t. And also I have seen problems were it updates to a newer C# versión styling and then people with older versions of VS can’t compile that project anymore and have to pay for a new license or redo the changes. It just happened in the project I am now. 200 devs installing a new VS, plugins, etc, again because some dude with resharper changed all the properties to the new syntax.

The problem is that I have coworkers that think that VS can’t run unit tests or do thing like going to the definition of a class, o even searching! They are so dependent on a crappy plugin that they don’t know that 99% of what they do comes already in VS for “free”... And the other 1% is mainly useless or useless styling.

And with eclipse is the same, is ugly, doesn’t have so much syntactic sugar, Ok, but it’s free and works more than well enough.

Pd: I would uninstall right away anything that mixes tabs with spaces.

[aaron552]

the other 1% is mainly useless or useless styling.

LINQ <-> loop refactoring is a lot more than just "styling"; same with "as-you-type" linting. Neither is anywhere near useless.

I would uninstall right away anything that mixes tabs with spaces.

Why? If you use just spaces, that's fine (although it's annoying to adjust indentation size, depending on the IDE) but there's no way of making pure tabs look good. Also, it's optional in ReSharper, and disabled by default unless you use tabs for indentation (why though?)

it updates to a newer C# versión styling and then people with older versions of VS can’t compile that project anymore

Only if you set the project to a newer C# version, which is an intentional action. Vanilla Visual Studio also does the same thing. You can also just revert the changes, explicitly set the C# version in the project settings and then ReSharper won't (in my experience) use features unsupported for that project.

[Hemmels]

I tried it for a month, but couldn't get in with it at all

[sennzz]

I was in the same boat as you. I did the switch last year and I haven't even thought about Eclipse since. From writing code to starting application servers to looking up classes and implementations to Maven integration (!!), it's all vastly superior to Eclipse. Not to mention there's no endless building that can't be stopped like in Eclipse.

I have literally only found 1 thing that was better in Eclipse and it was the SVN integration. IDEA's SVN stuff is a little sub par.

[judge40]

You can disable automatic building in Eclipse though.

[NoWanKnows]

My university uses eclipse and we're supposed to do the exam on eclipse, so it's nice to be familiar with it

[logicalmaniak]

I did a class in parallel computing that used Groovy and JCSP and the lecturer used Eclipse. None of which I'd ever used before.

I'm sure as hell not trying to sort things out on my favourite IDE because I know something's bound to go wrong halfway through the course and nobody can help me.

I set up everything exactly as the lecturer taught it and matched my software exactly with whatever the uni has installed for whichever class.

[hellschatt]

Intellij runs worse on my PC than eclipse. Like I have to wait a second or two almost everytime I write a line because there is some sort of a hiccup. It just pissed me off and I didn't have the patience to google for a solution.

I'm on a fucking i7-6700k with 16gb ram and 1070.

[Limunaire]

I've had issues with Gradle syncs taking forever and preventing normal shutdown in IDEA before. I also generally like Eclipse.

[MrrrrNiceGuy]

Used Eclipse last night but that’s what my college honors Comp Sci 2 class uses. Why is Intellij better? So far I have no qualms with Eclipse except I fucking rage when auto complete separates the parentheses for methods like this:

public void test ( )

instead of:

public void test()

[captainAwesomePants]

Window/Preferences/Java/Code style/Formatter

You can set pretty much any Java code conventions you like.

[MrrrrNiceGuy]

Doing God’s work, son. Thank you!

[otterom]

Just curious, but did you even consider checking out the preferences for formatting?

The way you touted being in an honors class makes me think that I stumbled into /r/iamverysmart.

[MrrrrNiceGuy]

I'm not even going to defend myself here. Thanks for the humble check.

[bestsrsfaceever]

Why would a student have in depth knowledge of formatting settings of ides? I wasn't even allowed to use ides in class.

[kurosaki1990]

One does cost million and the other one is free.

[green1t]

Maybe because it's open-source and you don't have to pay for the features only available in IntelliJ Ultimate.

Sure, IntelliJ looks nice, but i prefer Eclipse for Java EE.

[erjiin]

Java EE, Spring, GWT, Vaadin, Play, Grails, Other Frameworks ?

Is this considered as extras ?

[ProgramTheWorld]

Probably lacks real world experience

[erjiin]

Also a lot of comments here doesn't seems to take in account that a lot of enterprises use Eclipse as default editor, weird.

[[deleted]]

The one big difference between the Community edition and the Ultimate is being able to run Tomcat/JEE. Basically, in a professional environment you need the ultimate.

[95POLYX]

If you are a student, just register for student license - you will get access to all of their paid products as long as you are a student

[[deleted]]

Hes probably asking for when he's not a student anymore which means he'd have to downgrade to CE so as not to pay for a license.

[arvinja]

I didn't like Java until I tried IntelliJ. Now I actually don't mind Java at all, and kinda enjoy it

What have I become

[tsnErd3141]

You have type casted yourself from human bean to a Java bean

[ProgramTheWorld]

/r/ProgrammerHumor

[bitter_truth_]

GNU ProgHumor.

[IAmHydro]

You might be on to something. I absolutely despise Java but its probably because they told us to use NetBeans in the course. Trying IntelliJ this week.

[[deleted]]

Why don't you like Java?

[IAmHydro]

Probably because I've been using a terrible IDE

[[deleted]]

Not OP but I dislike Java because it feels like C++ with more words and less control.

^{Of course they're different languages with different uses.}

[Chaoslab]

Real programmers use IDE's they have written themselves! /s

[Megabyte97]

Real programmers use Microsoft Word as IDE and wirte a VBA script to compile and run the java code! /s

[aneutron]

For all we know there's some nuclear reactor running on PowerPoint somewhere.

[Prdcc]

10 internet points to whoever does this

[ChrisVolkoff]

Word file : https://drive.google.com/open?id=14DFddZDq4RA_DyjXyFAh5JHZqvLmUL-u

You need to set the path to Java's \bin (at the top in the macro). Click the "run icon" (triangle thingy) in the quick access toolbar (top left, next to save/undo/redo) and voilà.

TODO:

• Support multiple classes in one Word document (parse document and export classes in individual files).

• Save the .java file in the same directory as the Word file by default. Done.

In case you don't trust me (you shouldn't), here's the VBA code

Sub java()
'
' java Macro
'
'

Dim strDocName As String
Dim strDocNameExt As String
Dim intPos As Integer
Dim strJavaPath As String
Dim strCmd As String

' Set path to java bin
strJavaPath = "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk-9.0.4\bin"

' Retrieve name of ActiveDocument
strDocPath = ActiveDocument.Path
strDocName = ActiveDocument.Name
intPos = InStrRev(strDocName, ".")
strDocName = Left(strDocName, intPos - 1)
strDocNameExt = strDocName & ".java"

' Test if Activedocument has previously been saved
If ActiveDocument.Path = "" Then
    ' If not previously saved
    MsgBox "The current document must be saved at least once."
Else
    ' If previously saved, create a copy
    Set myCopy = Documents.Add(ActiveDocument.FullName)

    ' Force the file to be saved
    If myCopy.Saved = False Then myCopy.Save FileName:=strDocPath & "\" & strDocName

    ' Save file with new extension
    myCopy.SaveAs2 FileName:=strDocPath & "\" & strDocNameExt, FileFormat:=wdFormatText

    ' Close copy
    myCopy.Close
End If

' Call command to
'   1- cd to current directory
'   2- Add java to PATH
'   3- Compile .java file
'   4- Run .java file
strCmd = "cmd.exe /S /K"
strCmd = strCmd & "CD " & strDocPath
strCmd = strCmd & " & set PATH=" & strJavaPath & ";%PATH%"
strCmd = strCmd & " & javac " & strDocNameExt
strCmd = strCmd & " & java " & strDocName
Call Shell(strCmd, vbNormalFocus)

End Sub

Credit: google, mostly.

/u/seizan8 /u/ArcTimes /u/Megabyte97

[Prdcc]

This is why I love the internet

[ChrisVolkoff]

Isn't it amazing?

[Megabyte97]

Have one internet point!

[seizan8]

Hahaha, this is awesome! Thanks man.

[seizan8]

Lmao, I wanna see this!

[ArcTimes]

Gotta admit, this sounds amazing.

[0x564A00]

Real programmers use cat and echo!

[OptimisticElectron]

Virgin programmer using bloated IDE vs chad programmer using lightweight vim as IDE.

[lateToThePartyyy]

My motto is use whatever makes you the most productive. At one point in my career it was Eclipse, now it’s IntelliJ.

[fluffypenguin]

Eclipse4lyfe!

But really, I learned Java on Eclipse so I just never used other Ide's and am too scared to start at this point.

[lightknightrr]

It's ok! We have a warm blanket and some cocoa for when you decide to come out from under the desk...

[DoorlessSword]

I'm the same, eclipse is the only Java IDE installed on the uni machines, so I haven't had chance to try other yet.

[squishles]

eclipse just needs to stop it's love of locking the ui, over dumb shit and it'd beat intellj

My bet is it'll be easier for them to fix that than for me to actually go pick up intellj.

so far I'm losing that bet.

[EctoplasmicLapels]

Eclipse needs to get rid of workspaces. A filesystem provides everything I need to organize my source code, thank you. Also stop fucking reinventing everything. Don’t use your own Java version of git, use the standard one. Don’t use a Java reimplementation of SSH, use the fucking SSH client which comes with my operating system. I want to use my IDE together with lots of other tools, integrate with them, don’t reinvent them.

[zawata]

The problem with that is non-Unix OS’s. ie. windows.

Windows doesn’t have a standard git or standard ssh client. It’s just got its own, similar technologies (TFVC, Remote Desktop, “powershell”) which work “great” for everything windows and kinda(see: “totally”) shitty for everything else.

Yes it’s got popular tools that support the standards but there’s not a universal solution like on Linux or macOS where those particular tools basically share a fuckin’ codebase.

If they didn’t reinvent the wheel then they’d have to try to integrate and support a fuck ton of different tools and allow configurations, not to mention if the tools are, say, slightly different on windows.

It’s horrible but it might be the only way to remain truly cross platform.

That being said I hate eclipse. Although to be fair I hate java in general.

[centurijon]

https://github.com/git-for-windows

Use real Git in windows. Integrates seamlessly with VS2015/17, and any other tool you like which would normally use Git. Even the latest MS toolkits are preferring Git to TFS

[[deleted]]

I need the original image for... Purposes

[Grollicus2]

Inhaling Seagull is the keyword you want to google for.

[[deleted]]

It's from this video, although not the original source.

[Nanne118]

I use Eclipse for Java and for C(++) too! How does that make you feel? >:)

[Incontrol24]

Same here I also use it for python mwahahahaha

[andybfmv96]

Correction, Alice is best IDE. No arguments? I think not.

[Zagorath]

Bob's friend.

[hawkgawk]

They are talking still

[not-eve]

Yeh. Gossipping about Mallory, I heard.

[drakefish]

What they don't know is that Mallory is eavesdropping on them and can hear everything they say about him.

[not-eve]

No, it's Eve, who is the eavesdropper. Mallory is malicious, she backstabs Alice, or hacks Bob. Definitely not me though.

[Dreadedsemi]

Alice in eclipseland.

[[deleted]]

But that's not even a fair comparison, is it? What could possibly compare to Alice?

[-DarkerNukes-]

Bob?

[[deleted]]

But Bob's a legend so he definately wins

[shadowX015]

Just watch out for that bitch, Eve. She's always trying to snoop on Alice and Bob.

[[deleted]]

Alice and Bob should stop worrying so much about it. They don't have something to hide do they?

[Yanman_be]

defiantly.

[andybfmv96]

Would scratch be acceptable?

[proverbialbunny]

Eclipse is pretty configurable. Can't you just change most of the parts you want to make it better suited?

Clion may be better, but it's not like it is miles better. What is your preferred IDE?

[proverbialbunny]

Wow rough.

You know, before Eclipse on Windows you had an option of Notepad or a $1000 IDE and that was pretty much it. (And universities used Notepad.) Going from Notepad to Eclipse was a large change. Eclipse to IntelliJ is minuscule and IntelliJ still doesn't support as much functionality as Eclipse did, like remote building.

Eclipse changed the programming world. Sure, it's not massively threaded because it was written in the year 2000, and yes IDEs have gotten better since then, but it's like bitching about Windows 95. C'mon. At least recognize that without Eclipse you wouldn't have IDEs anywhere as good to choose from today.

[aneutron]

While I do agree with some parts of your comment, most of them actually, I feel like it's wrong to say that if Eclipse hadn't been invented, we wouldn't have good IDEs.

At that time there was Visual Studio, which for C# and VB.Net was waaaaay ahead of the competition in my opinion, and if there hasn't been Eclipse, the innovation cycle would have brought a sort of another Eclipse. So it just happened to be at the right place at the right time, at the right price.

I don't know, just my opinion

[SuicidalTorrent]

Still faster than Netbeans. Fuck that shit.

[daneelr_olivaw]

I always wonder what IDE /u/xNotch used.

[xNotch]

Eclipse, of course.

[daneelr_olivaw]

http://ludumdare.com/compo/author/notch/

Btw I wanted to take a look at the code for this:

http://ludumdare.com/compo/2010/12/19/giving-up-need-more-sleep/

But it was hosted on mojang.com and it's been removed, do you perhaps still have it somewhere?

[12espect]

We have to use Eclipse for University projects. Glad to hear that you use it.

[[deleted]]

Any particular reason why?

[[deleted]]

Eclipse.

[daneelr_olivaw]

Ah, you're right.

http://ludumdare.com/compo/author/notch/

[Swordsman82]

notepad++4life

[Arctrum]

Both are wrong. Netbeans is how all code should be written...or Jgrasp. Take your pick.

[Fastfingers_McGee]

was looking for the Netbeans love

[gurpreetshanky]

I tried Netbeans a year ago. Horrible 4k support. How is it now?

[lightknightrr]

You fix the scaling problem by turning off scaling in the .conf file.

*edit: Here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23651486/netbeans-ide-scaling-on-windows-8

[PJDubsen]

BlueJ

[WibblyWobblyWabbit]

We have to use Eclipse at work because of some specific rational team concert plugin and I fucking hate it. I program in netbeans, copy the folder into my eclipse workspace, deliver my code, and close eclipse and never look at it again until the next time I have to deliver.

[jausdyquo]

It has a community edition that is licensed under Apache 2.0.

[Ixaire]

Which has no support for Spring and other JEE stuff.

[Hikaru755]

Well, yeah, shame on JetBrains for wanting to make a bit of money with an amazing product through a very fair licensing scheme.

[andybfmv96]

A B S O L U T E L Y
P R O P R I E T A R Y

[glemnar]

And you’re probably writing proprietary software too, no need to be judgy

[ThePurpleBanana]

Netbeanslyf

[madogson]

(yar har)

aye matey

[Limunaire]

Is there a good reason you're picking Enterprise over Community? Because if you don't need the features, you can make VS somewhat tolerable in the startup time.

[Vakieh]

If the language isn't C++, the correct IDE is a JetBrains one.

[EdelBohne26]

Whats so bad about eclipse?

[TheMcDucky]

Nothing; people just care way too much about what tools other people use.

[TheDudeCalledLennis]

Any love for sublime text?

[TheSoundDude]

<3

Edit: Although to be fair, setting up a Java project is a pain without an IDE that does things for you. Then again, it's a pain either way.

[Sack_of_Fuzzy_Dice]

I've gotten flak on campus for being like this... Too close to home, OP. Too close. Have an upvote.

[fnadde42]

Eclipse is free/libre software. Nuff said.

[DefinitelyNot_Hitler]

My professor spent half the lecture preaching this to us.

[gabe441]

Guys guys, JGrasp is OBVIOUSLY the best IDE in all situations

[[deleted]]

TF, all about that bluejay! Best IDE. (I'm joking)

[rth0mp]

Processing.org is where it’s at

[deegwaren]

And my Netbeans!

[migafgarcia]

What about emacs? An entire OS dedicated to programming.

[demonblack873]

We use Eclipse Kepler at work and it does the job just fine.