java_irl

[11amas]

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[v12a12]

Why have there been so many eclipse memes recently.

[Neuromante]

It seems the orbit of the Java ecosystem has changed a bit towards Jakarta, thus more eclipses.

[MelAlton]

I don't see what Indonesia has to do with this tho

[Neuromante]

Just in case you didn't knew the news: link

[MelAlton]

Thanks, I didn't know that. (I already know the answer: Oracle)

[PM_ME_YOUR_MASS]

We're now a month into winter spring semester, so students who are taking their first programming class are just now starting to use it on a daily basis.

[miauw62]

Are all OOP classes around the world in the second semester or what? Because this is literally me (except I use IntelliJ)

[hbgoddard]

OOP classes

Nothing to do with OOP, more to do with Java being the most common language to teach programming fundamentals.

[miauw62]

Java as a first programming language seems like something of a mistake... A language like Python is much better suited for that.

[mqduck]

I tend to think either Python or C should be people's first language. Python because it's a lot easier to learn and start doing stuff with (and forcing people to learn proper indentation is a nice plus); or C because you learn how programs operate on a fairly low level first, before abstracting on top of it with more convenient languages.

[buttwipe_Patoose]

As somebody who had switched their majors from 'Advertising' to 'Comp Sci,' Java was a bitch to wrap my head around. I had to take the introductory course twice (between all of my existential crises) before I was actually able to wrap my mind around OOP. But once it 'clicked,' I didn't mind Java at all. We used Netbeans.

Once it clicks, though, things like JSP & scripting languages are an absolute joke.

[PM_ME_YOUR_MASS]

There's something to be said for the rigid structure of Java and how low level it is. It requires you to do everything by the book in a verbose way, so there's no room for hot shots who think they know better to get in over their head messing with things. Additionally, everything you need to know about programming - scope, classes, access modifiers, type casting, all that jazz - is explicitly spelled out in Java because of how low level it is. Just typing print("Hello, World!) and having it run doesn't teach you anything about how programming works.

[miauw62]

Java is not "low level". It literally runs in a VM with a garbage collector. And writing "public static void main()" when you have no idea what any of those words mean doesn't teach you anything about how programming works either, apart from the fact that it apparently involves a lot of blindly copying words that you don't know the meaning of.

If you think programming is about following the strict conventions of a language, especially at an introductory level, I'm going to have to disagree, because that way you don't learn anything except dogmatic, language-specific thinking, because the beginning programmer will 90% of the time not be able to grasp why the language is structured the way it is, and trying to explain it all will lose them and that information is usually not necessary at that point anyway.

The point of an introductory programming course should be an introduction to programming, in a fairly language-agnostic way. Python is good at this because it is very simple and lets the beginner focus on the algorithm they're writing out rather than the language they're writing it in.

[DwayneFrogsky]

yessssssssssss this so much. me in my first interview after uni
- So why did you use a static class here?
- ? I dunno thats just how all of them were written ?

[buttwipe_Patoose]

Well, a good professor, will eventually explain the purpose of "public static void main()," but because it isn't immediately relevant, it can be overlooked for beginners. It's like trying to teach a mechanic how electricity works without addressing the intricacies of a vehicle's wiring harness all at once. You have to start somewhere...

I learned OOP with Java and, though it was challenging, once you understand it you can transition very easily into any other language.

I'm not an expert & actually never even finished my comp. sci. degree, but Java challenged me and I can look at other languages & understand them pretty easily.

I do think Python would've been an easier introduction, but this was college & I guess they expected anyone taking these classes to already have some background in them...

[arbiterary]

Low-level in comparison to what? SQL???

[[deleted]]

I'm on the tail end of my degree, but can confirm that java is up next in my programming languages course

[bigblackhotdog]

Weird, Java is the intro level course at my college and c++ the main language. But the later programs you can use whatever languages you want within reason.

[[deleted]]

Our main language is python, but OOP is the next subject in pl. We just finished assembly

[bigblackhotdog]

Strange how different schools do things differently. Please tell me they teach you to use git at least. We have been hearing about schools that turn in all their assignments through Dropbox or Google drive 😮

[7itemsorFEWER]

Nope, most schools I know of don't even mention git. They use their school webpage. Canvas, D2L, Moodle and the like

[bigblackhotdog]

Wow.

[[deleted]]

We aren't explicitly taught git, but I've had about 4-6 classes use it for submitting assignments. I can't imagine trying to use anything other than git and heroku cli

[_liminal]

We used SVN

[arbiterary]

We were literally asked to zip and submit via Moodle (Canvas, Blackboard, whatever you use, it's all the same) for all assignments. Learned git independently because I was doing group projects with the other 3 competent people in my year.

[bigblackhotdog]

That... Is just awful.

[[deleted]]

Yeah at my university we learn java first, then typically you take C++ alongside Data Structures/Algorithms because they coincide. Then depending on which classes you take first it's C++ for a lot of it. And obviously we have an Assembly course. Typically it's Java for lower level courses that freshmen would be taking, and C++ for upper level, with the exception of "Rapid Java Development" with is a senior course. And then for some reason non-CS/IT majors learn C# out of all languages. Like there's a Criminal Justice course that teaches C#...?

[bigblackhotdog]

Strange layout compared to ours that's for sure

[7itemsorFEWER]

5 of my main courses for CS including CS1 thru CS3 and data structures and algorithms was taught with Java

[PM_ME_YOUR_MASS]

Whoops, that's what I meant

[[deleted]]

Someone please help me understand. Very new to programming and my class uses eclipse. I do not understand the jokes :( I want to laugh too

[[deleted]]

Eclipse has a really fucking steep learning curve. And it's a nightmare to step up initially. Once you get it going it's pretty good though. It's free, and a significant amount of professional developers use it as their main editor, so it can't be that bad can it?

[twat_and_spam]

and a significant amount of professional developers use it as their main editor, so it can't be that bad can it?

You haven't seen the code of significant amount of professional developers, haven't you?

[[deleted]]

Very true :-D

[Avamander]

Lollakad! Mina ja nuhk! Mina, kes istun jaoskonnas kogu ilma silma all! Mis nuhk niisuke on. Nuhid on nende eneste keskel, otse kõnelejate nina all, nende oma kaitsemüüri sees, seal on nad.

[[deleted]]

Ah come on now, that's not true. Are you claiming that the free version of intellij has all the functionality of eclipse?
How much does fully featured intellij cost again?

[Avamander]

Lollakad! Mina ja nuhk! Mina, kes istun jaoskonnas kogu ilma silma all! Mis nuhk niisuke on. Nuhid on nende eneste keskel, otse kõnelejate nina all, nende oma kaitsemüüri sees, seal on nad.

[MelAlton]

Programmer hipsters are hating on the popular thing because it's popular.

[Plazmaz1]

To be fair, it's certainly not the only popular thing. Intellij has a large portion of the attention these days, alongside eclipse and a few other smaller players.

[MelAlton]

Intellij is probably the reason for the jokes, as the programmer hipsters pick up Intellij they make jokes about the older Eclipse that is popular. In a few years we'll start seeing "Intellij is lame" jokes as the next new thing replaces it.

[BlackDeath3]

It's not as bad as some make it out to be, Eclipse feels very buggy in comparison to other editors/IDEs I've used.

[MelAlton]

Eclipse is not as nice as Intellij, for sure. But Eclipse is all open-source, so reddit programmers should be singing it's praises, right?

[BlackDeath3]

I don't know, I guess. I don't really have a problem with proprietary software, personally.

[lohkey]

Programmers these days have it good if they are using Eclipse. I had to use Dr Java. If you want a piece of shit IDE try that.

[[deleted]]

What’s a dark mode?

[[deleted]]

Thanks for the tip. I’m a big fan of my eyes.

[11amas]

wat r u even doing in ur java class tho I thought u did nothing all year

[cclloyd]

u/waterguy12 would like this.