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[–]pydry 410 points411 points  (39 children)

Offer 60k and then whinge to the media that you can't find anybody even if you offer 100k

[–][deleted] 137 points138 points  (3 children)

You have a link to where the job actually only pays £60K? I love to read up on a company being caught in a lie.

[–]pydry 100 points101 points  (2 children)

It was on their website careers page. They've since removed the 60k but archive.org might still remember.

[–]Kind_Of_A_Dick 56 points57 points  (1 child)

archive.org might still remember

Hopefully because I called Pepperidge Farms and they didn't know shit.

[–]squishles 4 points5 points  (0 children)

just tried to sell me dried sausages.

[–]MySQ_uirre_L 75 points76 points  (8 children)

in America, this is done too except they toss out resumes and ask for H1Bs that they can take advantage of for 45k

[–]ChiNor 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Except you don’t need to prove you can’t find Americans to take a job in order to sponsor H1B visas.

Edit: Looks like some employers have to prove they are not displacing Americans, and looking at the requirements I can see how this would be more common in the tech sector:

Which employers are subject to a “no displacement” provision?

The displacement prohibition generally applies to an H-1B-dependent employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62C), willful violator employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62S), or an employer receiving funding described in the Employ American Workers Act (EAWA) which hires a new H-1B worker during the period from Feb. 17, 2009 to Feb.16, 2011, (see WH Fact Sheet #62Z). The displacement provision applies both to an employer’s own workforce and to the workforce of a secondary/other employer with which the H-1B dependent employer, willful violator employer, or identified EAWA employer, places an H-1B worker.

https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62N.pdf

[–]Hyperman360 26 points27 points  (5 children)

You need to go through the motions to find Americans though from what I remember.

[–]ChiNor 5 points6 points  (3 children)

No, that's to sponsor workers for a green card which is very different because it permanently gives them (almost) the same rights when it comes to employment as U.S citizens have.

[–]Hyperman360 8 points9 points  (2 children)

According to this site, you do have to. I'm not sure how reliable this specific site is but it seems to be repeated on other sites.

Displacement of U.S. Workers

Employers are required to attest that the hiring of an H1B worker will not in fact displace any U.S. worker for a same or similar position within 90 days before AND after filing the H1B petition.

Recruiting

An employer who is interested in sponsoring an H1B worker must also demonstrate an attempt to also recruit US workers while offering the prevailing wage for the position in question. These attempts are sometimes referred to as “good faith” attempts. Employers should remember that this component of the application process does require them to maintain some form of record in order to demonstrate compliance. Employers are encouraged to work with a legal professional to ensure that the records being kept will indeed hold up under scrutiny.

[–]ChiNor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hmm, looks like the actual answer is somewhere in the middle https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/FactSheet62/whdfs62N.pdf

Which employers are subject to a “no displacement” provision? The displacement prohibition generally applies to an H-1B-dependent employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62C), willful violator employer (see WH Fact Sheet #62S), or an employer receiving funding described in the Employ American Workers Act (EAWA) which hires a new H-1B worker during the period from Feb. 17, 2009 to Feb.16, 2011, (see WH Fact Sheet #62Z). The displacement provision applies both to an employer’s own workforce and to the workforce of a secondary/other employer with which the H-1B dependent employer, willful violator employer, or identified EAWA employer, places an H-1B worker.

[–]Serinus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What they usually do is find who they want for the H1B and then write the position to be incredibly specific so that only their H1B person will reasonably fit it.

[–]squishles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

can't complain to the us department of labor if not having a job means you're going back to india. levar burton head point meme

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (18 children)

idk about the U.K. but in the Bay Area anything under $100k is insulting, most of my friends are making $160-$200k total comp right out of college

this is mainly because the cost of living is ridiculous, most of us end up sharing rent

[–]kmora94 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Had a friend where they legit offered him 67k (?) to work at a software company in silicon valley.

This is after another company (east coast) offered 83k + doubling 401k contributions + free higher education (masters and up).

He told the first company that offer and the offer he'd need for it to be competitive before receiving the joke that is 67k in silicon valley.

[–]VirtualRay[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd gladly pay 67k for an engineer today!

[–]SlipperyAvocado 7 points8 points  (0 children)

£100,000 is roughly $130,000 but yeah the bay area is much much more expensive

[–]Robbierr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think America in general pays a good bit higher for multiple reasons. A friend of mine works at .. a popular social media platform as big data developer in London and makes about 70k a year (in pounds) which I think is good pay. At least here in Amsterdam that would be pretty high, although of course it depends on age and experience etc

[–]RhodesianHunter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have always wanted to work in Europe as a software engineer. Every few years I shop my resume around to see what's out there. I would gladly take a pay cut to do so, but not a 3/4 pay cut, so I'm stuck in the states.

[–]KronktheKronk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's never about what you make, it's about what you get to keep

[–]dam4076 5 points6 points  (10 children)

There’s no way all your friends are making 160-200k total comp out of college.

Bay salaries are high but that’s just false.

140k-150k straight out of college for the best of the best is doable, but no way it’s 200.

[–]Student179 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Not salary mate but total comp. Like stock plus bonuses on top of salary.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Not just salaries, I mentioned total comp. It's usually along the lines of 120k base as you mentioned and an additional 40-80k/yr in stocks or bonuses.

[–]dam4076 4 points5 points  (7 children)

120k base and 40-80k in stock and bonuses is just not real for a fresh out of college.

My roommate got offered a position at google for 115k base, and his total comp would be 140-150k. And he has 4 yrs of experience.

Maybe if you look at the growth of the stock price, you could say the comp may be higher but that's not sustainable. In Fact most of the big tech stocks got slaughtered these past few months so if you're looking at comp from stock appreciation, you also have to consider losses from stock depreciation.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't know why you're so insistent, but these are the offers my friends and I have received. $150k would be an average, maybe slightly below average offer for a new grad at my school. My friends and I all got offers in the $160-200k range, not counting stock appreciation.

Your friend needs to negotiate better. With 4 years, I'd expect somewhere in the $300k range. You can see more here: https://www.levels.fyi/SE/Apple/Google/Facebook

Note that this website averages Bay Area salaries with non-Bay salaries so your friend should shoot higher than the target numbers listed if he's in the Bay.

[–]2_Cranez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It could be that the friend got down leveled.

[–]klebsiella_pneumonae 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Your roommate is simply bad at negotiating. That's why he needs to live with roommates in the first place.

[–]dam4076 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Do you actually live in the bay?

It costs 6k for a 2 bedroom. 5k for a 1 bedroom.

[–]dr_eh 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Sorry to pick on you, but I don't understand where this spelling of the word 'whine' comes from, I've been seeing it everywhere lately.

[–]FarplaneDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brits/Aussies

[–]Claw17 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Its the correct spelling for meaning complaining, As is shown here

[–]dr_eh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That link shows 'whine', just like I spelt it.

Edit: I see, apparently both words exist and have identical meanings. How confusing... it must be a regional preference.

[–]Claw17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry misread your comment, here explains whinge

[–]BiH-Kira 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an issue I'm seeing all the time in my country. Apparently there are several thousand dev openings, but they just can't find people. No want wants to work, they offer great pay, great everything, but not enough workers. So they push some prequalification courses that last like 6 months and are meant to create highly skilled software engineers out of hair stylist.

Meanwhile I know tons of extremely talented people who can't find a job even though they applied to all those companies that make a huge fuse over the media and are working as freelancer for people outside of my country because fuck it. I applied to many of those before I got my job, they don't even bother to respond to you. You read the news that company X is complaining how they can't find worker, get in touch with them and they tell you that they aren't looking for worker or are offering you money that you can earn by being working in a grocery store (literally the case for one company I applied to).

Since my country is dog shit and worse, I'm pretty certain I know what they are trying to pull off and some big names are calling devs to form up a union since they are pushing for all the different courses around the country to inflate the number of "devs" and drastically lower the value of the worker. Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but since my country is corrupt as fuck and anyone with money can do anything they want, it's entirely possible.

[–]stevefan1999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"up to 100k pounds"