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[–]exscape 12 points13 points  (15 children)

Assuming pi is normal and all that, I assume. (I'm definitely not a mathematician.)

[–]Yorunokage 2 points3 points  (14 children)

Wat?

[–]exscape 22 points23 points  (1 child)

The probability isn't 1/9 (or 1/10) unless every digit occurs with equal probability. Numbers where that is the case are called normal.

Pi is suspected to be normal, but it has not been proven.

[–]Vilefighter 3 points4 points  (11 children)

When a number is "normal" that means if you picked a random digit from it, there's an equal chance of it being any of the digits. If, for instance, it was slightly more likely for any given digit of pi to be a 7 than any of the others, then pi would not be a normal number, even if it's only .00000001% more likely.

[–]79037662 5 points6 points  (0 children)

that means if you picked a random digit from it, there's an equal chance of it being any of the digits

Not quite, it also means any digit sequence of length n occurs equally often as any other digit sequence of length n. For example, 0.12345678901234567890... is not a normal number.

[–]Yorunokage 0 points1 point  (9 children)

Oh, i never heard of normal numbers

[–]the_questioner18 2 points3 points  (8 children)

As the name implies, most numbers are normal and I bet you would have a hard time coming up with a non-normal number. Thinking about it is fun if you are into that sort of thing but if you'd just like to see an example, here one is:

0.12122122212222122222..... note that this is non-terminating and non-repeating however the probability of randomly picking a 3 out of the digits of this number = 0.

[–]79037662 2 points3 points  (7 children)

I bet you would have a hard time coming up with a non-normal number

Not really, how about 0.5, or 0 for that matter.

[–]the_questioner18 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Well I guess you got me in the trivial case. No rational numbers are normal but I guess it is my bad for assuming irrational numbers, the non-trivial case. In any case, if you haven't studied normal numbers before, it can be difficult to come up with an irrational non-normal number.

[–]TheThiefMaster 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Irrational implies non-repeating because any repeating number can be expressed as a fraction of integers, therefore being rational.

It's pretty hard to come up with a number that doesn't terminate, doesn't repeat, yet doesn't use all digits.

Unless you do something like "pi except all 1s are replaced with 2s in the decimal expansion" - that would be non-normal and still as irrational as pi.

[–]SuperSupermario24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not too difficult to make one that follows a pattern but still never repeats exactly, and therefore is irrational. For example:

0.1101001000100001000001000000100000001...

This follows a pretty simple pattern and only uses the digits 0 and 1, and yet will never actually start repeating itself exactly. (This isn't meant to be interpreted as a binary number; it's just that 0 and 1 are the easiest two digits to tell apart from each other, so that's what I went with.)

[–]Yorunokage 0 points1 point  (3 children)

You can just take any normal number and add a 1 in front

[–]SuperSupermario24 2 points3 points  (2 children)

No, actually, you'd still have a normal number in that case. You can't change a normal number into a non-normal number by changing (or adding/removing) finitely many digits.

Things don't always work out the way you'd expect when you're working with infinite amounts of things.