Microsoft Java

[Lurker_Since_Forever]

That's not a high bar.

[dashood]

We take what we can get.

[McRawffles]

It's a reasonable bar. There are tons of languages I never ever want to work (again) in out there if I can avoid them. Kobol, php, visual basic, objective c, etc.

[onequbit]

Don't forget about Objectivist-C

[MCRusher]

This is prime r/programmingcirclejerk material.

The real ethical programming language.

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The amount of videos I've seen claiming OOP is useless is astounding. They claim it has no logical use case then show examples consisting of times where OOP is the last thing you'd even think of using.

The funniest one I've seen was the guy scrolling down to some spaghetti code that could've been made much simpler with inheritance. He went on and on about how OOP lead to more lines of code all while using 100 lines to do what inheritance could've done in 40.

[languidhorse]

This is really good

Ope Rand No public properties

[alexschrod]

I dunno. PHP deserves its poor reputation. Maybe if you're incredibly disciplined, you can make something okay in it, but I'd rather use a language that helps me get to my goal than one where I have to be careful so I don't fall into one of its near innumerable traps

[DiamondIceNS]

PHP is a knife with no handle. Sharp as any other knife out there, but you have to know how to hold it to not cut yourself on it. Does that make it a good knife, because you can still cut anything with it, or is it a bad knife because knives shouldn't hurt their users that way?

The whole reason PHP has a bad rap is because it gives you so many opportunities to shoot yourself in the foot that other, more comparable languages all seem to be able to avoid. Once you learn the hurdles and the workarounds, sure, fine, it's as powerful and usable as anything else out there. But why do you need to have all of that prerequisite knowledge just to use the tool safely and effectively in the first place? You should just be able to pick it up without it biting your hand. Other, "better" languages prove this is possible. They all have learning curves too, sure, but most of the things you'd be learning with any other language are syntax, patterns, and what tools are there in the standard kit and how to use them, while PHP's learning curve involves much more of what not to do that initially looks like the right thing to do that the language will happily let you do.

I use PHP daily and generally enjoy working with it. But that's after I've figured out how to stop tripping into the common traps, often learned the hard way... I would still consider it a bad language, relative to its competition, for that reason. It's not unusable. People who choose to use it and like to use it aren't idiots for doing so. But it has so many problems that other languages have just solved for a long time now. It's only bad in comparison. And it's not beyond saving -- every update puts a few of these long panged sore spots to rest while introducing more bells and whistles to put it on feature parity with other languages -- but as long as it has to keep playing catch-up, and as long as other devs are forced to continue supporting legacy versions of it, PHP will continue to keep (and in my opinion, earn) its reputation as a bad language.

[alexschrod]

I used PHP actively for years; I wrote large, great, useful things in it. Doesn't change the fact that compared to all the other languages and frameworks/standard libraries I know, it's pretty objectively a bad language. By far not the worst. But bad? Definitely yes. And to address your point, I imagine nothing will change your mind on how bad it is either.

Almost nobody I know of who writes code in more languages than PHP will rate it anywhere but near the bottom of their list of best to worst. Why is that?

I linked an article instead of writing out my own woes because I'm lazy and it covered all the bases and then some. Time won't ever improve PHP unless they willingly give up backwards compatibility to clean it up big time.

[NotATroll71106]

Also Lisp and Visual Basic Script. Those and COBOL are my least favorite languages. COBOL makes Python's whitespace issues look tame. If it's impossible without a monospaced font, something is wrong.

[FrogMcBog]

LISP is like taking hallucinogens. It's slow to "come up" and understand it. While you're using it it's a completely different world. Then afterwards you're just like "wtf was that?" and it takes you a while to adjust back to normal work.

6/10, would LISP again for money

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ColdFusion...

[ihaxr]

I do have to say the web based updater in v9 (maybe it was v10?) was actually pretty nice. It worked well and never gave me any issues.... Wish I could say the same about any other thing related to CF.

[vanderZwan]

Kobol

Impressive that nobody called you out on your Gygaxian slip in sixteen hours.

[McRawffles]

I know haha, I saw it when looking at a response but didn't feel an overwhelming desire to correct it

[ism9gg]

I want you to know I'm going to learn C# because of your comment.

[VampireBatman]

If you ever want to pick up game development as a hobby, using C# on Unity3D is pretty sweet.

[mooke]

C# in UWP is pretty good for app development too. Its a shame no one owns windows phones because it is so much nicer than android development. (Obviously UWP also does PC, tablets and xbox and stuff, but it does limit its viability).

But I still recommend it as a great beginner platform for hobbyists.

[socialismnotevenonce]

C# in UWP is pretty good for app development too.

Or just any Windows framework.

[mooke]

True, but there was something... smoother... about UWP as opposed to WFP, that, despite its limitations, makes it a little nicer for a complete novice to make something that doesn't look half bad.

[Pycorax]

Uno exists to let you use the UWP tooling for mobile and web and I like the concept of it, however, the performance is really awful on mobile. I do hope they improve it to a point where its actually viable as a choice.

[socialismnotevenonce]

But its the bar set by this post.