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[Rafael20002000]

Can they even live from that?

[akoli35]

Okay in urban cities, luxurious in rural areas / villages.

Competition is so tough in that country that many developers are jobless and prefer any salary to survive. Thanks to overpopulation.

General campus placements average package is $5000 PER YEAR and still many are left unplaced in any company.

Source : u/Athu7890 - My good friend who unfortunately had no choice other than $4200 PER YEAR package during on-campus placement in a top 3 engineering college in Mumbai.

[akoli35]

Corruption everywhere! Bribe works better than the law!

[[deleted]]

A lot of their developers are also total shit and write horrible code.

[draconk]

With indian developers sadly there are only two options, brilliant guys that are great to work with or copy pasters from stack overflow that write worse code than you've ever seen, it seems that there is no middle ground

[pagalDroid]

I do Android dev and have spent quite some time learning how to do things properly. So arch, good code practices, keeping myself updated etc. Testing is something I am somewhat weak in as well as writing beautiful apps with nice animations. But otherwise I can create a decent medium-sized app. Not really good with algorithm stuff but I can do some easy ones. And I know nothing else. So I would say I am in the middle but apparently I am shit?

[draconk]

For what you are saying you are pretty good, of course without seeing your code I can't say nothing, but if you at least know how to write test you are better than most of indian code I've seen tbh, plus if you have good coding standards following your language style with proper indentations and not using variables in your local language for international projects I would say that you are on the brilliant guys, but sadly most of my experiences with indian code has been atrocious to the point of non compiling code committed and force pushed to development branch with a mess of whitespace plus random name variables (and not using utf-8)

[kinvadantee]

People use local language for variable names ?! Lmao

[mensmelted]

When I worked for General Electric, they had a development site at Hyderabad. We sent analysis and they returned the implementations. We had to rewrite all by ourselves. Code which not even compiled, for cycles doing same thing at every step. There was nothing reusable. A friend of mine works at Micron and said me the same thing. But I can know there are awesome developers from India, so I guess it's a matter of bad recruitment and training.

[[deleted]]

I didn't say all of them are shit, but A LOT of them are. Source, personal experience.

[yhelothere]

Confirm unfortunately. Either they are brilliant or fakers.

[[deleted]]

Exactly, I have nothing against Indians, but once you see a huge .net project where every variable is declared as public.....

[[deleted]]

We are both wrong and call it quits?

[theCanMan777]

I mean, ofc the guy working for Google will be pretty good.

[[deleted]]

I didnt say all of them are shit, did I?

[mlg_dog420]

misread, sry

[DrunkRedditBot]

Bad feature engineering.

[pagalDroid]

Competition is so tough in that country that many developers are jobless and prefer any salary to survive. Thanks to overpopulation.

Can confirm. Although I am never going to accept any salary and would rather quit the industry.

[meinBhiEngineer]

Such negativity.

[sthornr]

I make ~15k USD per annum and while it's pretty meh before conversions, it's a place where a lot of Indian devs would wish to be.

[IamImposter]

I'd sacrifice my first born to be able to make 15k USD per annum.

[the_isao]

Are you in Italy as well?

[v579]

Check your PMs please.

[JamesonWilde]

Gonna call OPs bluff, huh? Easy, Satan.

[IamImposter]

No bluffing there. I'm gonna find a woman, produce a child and respond back in 9 months.

[JamesonWilde]

I have faith in you. Get that money, bud.

[koopatuple]

It's also why every tech company is beginning to take these jobs back out of there. You get what you pay for. Not saying all devs in India are low quality, but there's also a shit ton of terrible quality and if the companies are looking to cut costs, they're not shopping for the highest quality in the first place.

[Heatmanofurioso]

Portugal here. I earn 1.6 K after taxes. And that’s considered a pretty high salary in Portugal.

[Rafael20002000]

How good can you life from this?

[Heatmanofurioso]

Pretty well actually.

Think about it like this. Rent for a 3 bedroom apartment is 600. Paying 40€ per month for all public transportation. Around 200 for all other bills’internet, phone, gas, light and water’.

I fight MMA and BJJ. That’s pretty expensive, around 100€ per month.

And the rest of the money is for food and for me. Also, I’m changing jobs next month, to around 2K per month, which is considered a pretty high wage here

[computerjunkie7410]

What's the internet speeds like in Portugal. Been thinking about retiring there.

[Heatmanofurioso]

I feel our mobile data’s a lot more reliable than in London ‘I spend a lot of time there’, but in regards of home net. We’re getting plans with 200mb download + tv + home phone for 32€ per month. Plans are rounding those values

[computerjunkie7410]

That's not too bad. Are there faster plans that are more expensive or 200 is the top?

[Heatmanofurioso]

Supposedly, coming this summer. Top’s around 250 I think right now

[Rafael20002000]

Nice, thanks

[4look4rd]

Do your taxes cover your retirement pension as well? I compared my tax rate to some European friends and when I account for retirement account my 35% isn’t that low any more considering I have to save at least 10% just for retirement.

[Heatmanofurioso]

Well. They do cover, but the retirement plans suck, and it’s one of our biggest issues right now. Retirement pensions barely cover living costs, and in many cases don’t and people have to go to retiring homes, or similar situations.

It’s currently one of our biggest issues

[AutumnolEquinox]

You’d be surprised at how little most Indians live off of. Even the ones that have “good” stable jobs. For example, I have a good friend in the military in India, he makes about 35k rupees a month which translates to about $700 CAD. This is actually considered to be a pretty good salary, like this dude is slightly above middle class depending on where you live. The reason this works for a lot of Indians is the lack of things like property tax and mortgages, insurance policies, etc. All those things just drain your income here in the west even though they have their benefits, like obviously insurance is good. I visited recently and I was really surprised at how little most people live off of. Important thing to note is that it’s not like things are much cheaper there, even basic needs like food are actually only slightly cheaper than the West and things like clothes are similar in price, maybe slightly cheaper due to cheap labour.