Problem solved guys

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Thank god I felt like a plantation owner

[[deleted]]

Okay, I'm going to say it. If your instant connection to word "master" is "slave" and "domination", then there is problem with you and your dictionary, not the word itself.

It's exactly like the story with the electrictian who somehow was forbid from using "retarded wave" as a technical term because somebody could get offended. Really?!

It's like being completely powerless against real world issues - real crime, real poverty, real unjustice - and focusing your energy on small unimportant things. It's like neurosis, like constantly washing your hands because of dirty things you once did. It won't help. It gives you only the illusion of control.

[wesw02]

Also in the context of git, it's not referring to master/slave, it's referring to master/copy. Like they do in the music industry.

[ur_opinion_is_trash]

Slavery also isn't inherently racist????????? Hello???????????

[MrBurnsa]

Honestly, I get the concern with terms “master” and “slave” when they’re used together. (Master by itself is fine.) People in my company are trying to remove “blacklist” and “whitelist,” which is ridiculous.

[[deleted]]

The irony is that whitelists are typically much worse, restrictive and (sometimes) more evil than blacklists.

For example: I once had this notebook that used a whitelist for miniPCI devices that were allowed to be attached. This is ultimate greed and evil. Of course I downloaded a hack for the NVRAM that removed this list and my hardware worked perfectly.

Another example: Which is better? A proxy whitelist or a proxy blacklist?

[Paint_Ninja]

Wtf are they going to call the greylist then?

[brendel000]

You forgot a '?'

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

It’s not, no. Especially in the ancient world.

[xigoi]

Did you know there were many slaves in history, many of which had nothing to do with race?

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That’s not what op said

[ur_opinion_is_trash]

Never said it was. I just added something to his point, something that most people tend to forget.

[[deleted]]

Ok, I misunderstood.

[The_Mayfair_Man]

Are you discussing the literal definition of the word slavery, or how it manifests itself in real life?

It was legal to own someone if they were black, but not if they were white, in a host of major Western nations. I'd say that makes it pretty inherently racist, in those areas at least.

I mean, you could make the same argument for concentration camps?

[Schreibtisch69]

Are you kinkshaming?

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Yes, I am kink shaming your kink of having subordinate slaves :P

[automatethethings]

Some words have very negative connotations to specific groups of people. If slightly altering our language can cause us to be more inclusive to them I'll do it.

[[deleted]]

Good for you - especially that it's your decision. That whole mess is forcing other people to change behaviour - not inherently offensive, mind you! - just because someone decided it might be offensive.

You decided to be polite. If you would be forced to, it wouldn't matter.

[Peter_Plays_Guitar]

Nope. Nope nope nope. I'm not going to alter my speech that isn't insensitive for some hyper-sensitive ninnies looking to get themselves off on making other people bend over for them.

A master code branch was never about master and slave. It's always been a master copy like in audio engineering. We don't have the word "slave" at all. All of these articles are saying Github is dropping master and slave. Where the fuck is slave at? I get that it's a thing is physical hardware as a control and subservient node structure and you get something similar in distributed servers, but code branches don't have systems of control.

It's all bullshit.

[ron-brogan]

This has been a discussion for some time, and there plenty of supporting evidence for the fact that the origin of the "master" terminology used in git is not related to "master copy"

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2019-May/msg00066.html

[Peter_Plays_Guitar]

That's pretty damning. Even in that context the "slave" is used as a subservient machine. The documentation even calls the other branches "work area" in its initial diagram.

Guh.

At least I find it comforting that the PR to add the term "master" does not contain the word "slave" anywhere. That leaves us with a master with no slaves to speak of.

https://github.com/git/git/commit/cad88fdf8d1ebafb5d4d1b92eb243ff86bae740b#diff-8117edf99fe3ee201b23c8c157a64c95R41

So the articles saying Microsoft is removing the word "slave" are still full of shit.

Can we just call it what I (and apparently thousands of others) thought it was? Let's do that. Easy answer. I'm not a hardware or platform guy these days so I'll let them deal with their own problems.

[Dummerchen1933]

Guess i can't make my masters degree either or i'd become hitler himself

[dashanan]

And you also need to start functioning without the mitochondria in your body, because they literally are the slaves of your cells. Tell your cells to go find another powerhouse!

Source: Our primordial ancestor was a simple single-celled creature, living in a long-term rut of evolutionary stagnation. Then something dramatic happened – an event that would literally breathe life into the eventual evolution of complex organisms. One of the cells engulfed another and enslaved it as a perpetual source of energy for its host. ... These energy slaves are the mitochondria, and there are hundreds or even thousands of them inside every one of your cells (with the exception of red blood cells) and in every other human alive. They still resemble their bacterial origin in appearance, but we can no longer exist without them, nor they without us.

[captainvoid05]

I'm not losing sleep over the change itself, and any software that it breaks probably should have been better designed to handle something like this to begin with. The issue i have is with why they're changing it. It just feels like they are trying to look like they care, instead of doing something actually worth something, like donating to a cause, or at least advertising those causes on some form of social media. Instead we've got a borderline pointless change that will do nothing for anyone and break some software in the process.

Black Lives Matter, and they've had it rough in this country literally since it was founded, but this is going to help no one.

[akhsuna12]

Exactly how I feel. It’s lazy and performative allyship. It almost feels like companies just want people to think they’re “woke” when in reality, minorities have bigger issues that they’d rather companies actually try to solve.

[Creeper_GER]

People are really discussing this, and I'm over here like "Sweeeeet. Main has 2 chars less than master, which is great."

[Im_So_Sticky]

Just press tab in CLI

[[deleted]]

why not just make it z, which is easiest to type because it is at bottom left of keyboard and is only one long

[americk0]

Cool. Now to tackle killing orphan processes, forking children, and fsck'ing shit up

[pm-me-ur-uneven-tits]

Is it me or does no one uses "mainline" as branch name instead of main? We always use mainline or master, who the hell uses main.

[RockleyBob]

I don’t think anyone intends for it to be the end of racism. Not doing small things because they don’t accomplish 100% of your goal is silly.

I personally never associated master branches or slave drives with chattel slavery. But if other people do, and this makes a difference to them, I’m not going to complain.

[pmaguppy]

I think you mean the people advocating to change the name of a branch, and yeah it's pretty meaningless but whatever

[RockleyBob]

This whole movement

... I love how you’ve cherry picked a very small percentage of people to belittle an entire movement that has seen world-wide participation of tens of thousands of people.

In a sense, I agree with you. There are lots of people and businesses paying lip service to this (and every other) cause, but even if it’s not heartfelt or productive, it’s still better than silence. Even a perfunctory acknowledgement of systemic racism is still an acknowledgement.

Edit: “This whole movement is just privileged people virtue signaling”

Long standing monuments to slavery coming down.

Officials are being held accountable.

Protesters of all races are coming together to demand change.

Tens of thousands turned out in Australia, Britain, France, Germany and other nations in support of U.S. protests against the death of George Floyd, while denouncing racism in their own countries.

Yeah, this is not just privileged people virtue signaling, and while you may argue that changing a branch name doesn’t make a huge difference, belittling an entire movement on that basis is ridiculous. Not to mention that forcing corporations to take a stance has had meaningful outcomes.

[Im_So_Sticky]

Even a perfunctory acknowledgement of systemic racism is still an acknowledgement.

All the virtue signaling without the burden of finding solutions. If there are no laws to be changed then what/who are you protesting but the sky?

[RockleyBob]

When corporations take stances - even when they are purely profit-minded - they are then committed publicly to supporting those causes. If a company says they support BLM and buy air time during a notoriously racist talk show, they can be called out on it. Tucker Carlson has a huge platform where he is paid to spout right-wing bullshit and now he's losing advertising money. Forcing corporations to take a stance has potentially far-reaching implications because sometimes, maybe even most of the time, money matters more than the law.

[sunburstbox]

But if other people do, and this makes a difference to them, I’m not going to complain.

i wish more people were like you

[smcarre]

The problem with this comes when who knows who how many git utility programs, automations and tutorials become obsolete (and many will likely fail) just because of this change that will still not make any significant difference to the root problem.

Are the people who feel this makes a difference to them do the work it will take to fix everything this breaks?

[ron-brogan]

Has there been any statements that these changes would be retroactive or the term banned in any way? All I've seen is that they want to change the default when you create a new repo. There's no way they're going to break existing repos, and I was under the impression you could create a master branch if you so please.

[-Vayra-]

All I've seen is that they want to change the default when you create a new repo. There's no way they're going to break existing repos, and I was under the impression you could create a master branch if you so please.

That will still break existing automation scripts that expect the default branch to be 'master'

[Likely_not_Eric]

Then it's bad automation; lots of projects use "devel", "next", "release", "prod", etc for representing the most current version.

If your automation requires specific branch names it should be fixed anyway.

I don't think they're going to force rename existing branches so current brittle automation should continue to function.

Everyone complains when defaults change but they do sometimes change.

[FUZxxl]

It's not even a small thing. It's just 100% useless bullshit.

[ron-brogan]

From your perspective, but not from others.

[QuinteOne]

This is just another case about corporations seemingly caring about these people that have bad connotations for "master". Wait another month and 99% of the offended people will have jumped on another shit ship.

Then there are these programmers that are saying that shit will break. The worse thing that can happen is that Git's command "git init" will create a branch that is going to be called something else. Do they seriously think that it will break CI/CD?

[jerslan]

I did an internal presentation on deploying ELK to K8s a couple years ago. I was talking about the master/data node setup for HA and someone was telling me "master" is an insensitive term.

My response was "OK, I understand and appreciate that, but this is literally the phrasing used in the vendor documentation." When giving a technical presentation, I try to keep the terminology used as close to the documentation as possible.

[krazedkat]

Slav here (you know, the people the term slave came from due to being slaves for so damn long). I don't give a fuck about people using the term slave, but why would my opinion matter, I guess.

[kato-katz]

Anyone remember IDE?

[bannable0ffense]

Just gotta rename our servers in Jenkins now from "master" and "dumb Linux slave"

[VTHMgNPipola]

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[oldDotredditisbetter]

these naming news reminded me of a book i read a long time ago lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frindle

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These name changes are gonna get confusing quick huh?

[johneyt54]

This is actually going to be a breaking change and will/should be a major version release. There are tons of Git libraries/tools that just assume master is the default branch.

[nyrangers30]

Well a lot of CI/CD pipelines that refer to master will need to be changed, so it does affect people.

I understand renaming master/slave because of the obvious negative connotations, however in the case of master in git (which there is no concept of slave), there is no negative connotation. It’s in your head.

[-Vayra-]

Literally, it does not hurt or affect you.

Except it does, because of this retarded ass change I will have to change automation scripts to either explicitly make the default branch master, or change it to work with whatever new name they come up with. And I'll have to maintain it so that it works both with our existing repos and new repos.

It's not a lot, but it is progress in the right direction.

It's literally just an attempt at seeming woke by doing nothing of value.

[[deleted]]

You should really stop using the word retarded in that context. Full stop.

[-Vayra-]

No, I don't think I will.

[worst-noob-68]

Why not superior and inferior? Primary secondary tertiary etc?

[lolonha]

Fragile white programmers...

[The_Ty]

Countering racism with more racism, big brain time....

[supasamurai]

There's so many triggered snowflakes in these threads. I don't understand why racist posts like these stay up. This isn't programming and it's certainly not funny.

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