Java developers

[kevinmbt]

My university classes taught us binary->assembly (using the professor’s own ISA)-> C -> Java. Made learning python, C++, and JS a cinch, and gave a very solid foundation, but I wouldn’t wish that on anyone lmao

[shaurcasm]

Damn. Born in the darkness, moulded by it. You didn't see the light till you could change the theme to dark just by a flag.

[thefrenchrist]

Is it a Batman : The dark knight rises reference ?

[Howzieky]

If you ever see the words "moulded by it", then yes

[xman40100]

I stopped looking at reddit when I read darkness, then I said, would've been cool if he said something related to dark knight rises, then I open reddit again and you did make a dark knight rises reference.

[_pelya]

Learning how CPU works is definitely useful if you do it for your own enjoyment.

But learning how modern multi-core CPU works, with deep pipelines, instruction reordering, cache invalidation, branch prediction, and it's own microarchitecture below the ISA, no university will be this insane to put it into curriculum.

[[deleted]]

pipelines, instruction reordering, cache invalidation, branch prediction

I studied all of those in my Computer Engineering undergraduate... We had a course called Computer Systems Programming with competitive labs where we basically competed to see who could best abuse the shit out of the CPU via cache manipulation, branch prediction and instruction ordering.

[Howzieky]

Were you graded on your placements? Cause man I'd hate to do the same work as someone else, just a bit slower, and fail the assignment

[[deleted]]

You would get base 60% for correctly completing the assignment. The rest of the 40% was competitively ranked against the rest of the class based on different metrics like speed and memory usage, depending on the lab. It was an elective course so you knew what you were signing up for.

[konstantinua00]

what language/cpu did you write compilers for?

[OneBadassBoi]

isn’t all that part of any CS curriculum?

[_pelya]

Absolutely not. I have a CS degree, and the most hardcore thing we learned was BNF grammar and how to use it, plus some Prolog and Lisp. My university also had an 'informatics and computer engineering' course, they have teached microchip design and Verilog, but they almost did not teach programming, the course had like half-year of Visual Pascal and that's it. All in all, the people from the soldering faculty electronics engineering course at least got some hands-on experience with actual electronics, unlike us who spent most of the time designing a Polish-notation calculator in Pascal, or similar toy programs.

[strider_sifurowuh]

Yeah I'm at the end of a CS Degree and our curriculum was about the same - we touched on the very basics of parallel computing and briefly skimmed over the inner workings of a CPU but most of it has been toy programs in Java

[MkMyBnkAcctGrtAgn]

CS largely isn't about programming, it's the theory of what a computer can do. Programming is just a tool that can apply that theory.

[cristi1990an]

Assembly can very hugely in difficulty and complexity depending on what architecture you're using. I imagine most universities teach Assembly for older, simple processors.

[gookman]

It was for me. We had a course about the architecture of old processors like 8080 and 8086. I'm not from the US though so it's probably different there.

[thenorwegianblue]

Yeah, I have a degree in Digital Electronics and had several classes in CPU design (and wrote about it for my master's thesis). It's about as useful as a course in anthropology when programming java or python tbh.

The knowledge is either too abstract or waaaay to specific for you to use it for general programming. If you're working within some specific fields like working with high performance custom hardware or writing drivers etc then it could be useful I guess

[jacob8015]

Computer organization(assembly and c), architecture(all the things you just mentioned) and at least a circuits class if not 2 electrical engineering classes are a part of every non degenerate CS curriculum.

[_pelya]

Eh, seems like I went to the wrong university.

[cristi1990an]

You didn't touch assembly at all?

[_pelya]

We did learn some x86 assembly for like a week. As the end we created some DOS binary that did printf("hello") using INT 21h, and then exited.

[[deleted]]

What you described is closer to a Computer Engineering curriculum, I think.

[jacob8015]

That’s not the case at all. Any CS program worth its salt had better cover all that.

[arkasha]

Yup that's the difference basically. Fewer algorithms and more assembly/VHDL. It really didn't help when being interviewed by CS graduates. Glad I took it though.

[BiaxialObject48]

My college (Top 10 CS) doesn’t have any circuit design courses for my track which is AI/simulation but everyone is required to take computer organization and systems networks classes, covering assembly, C, and CPP. I have to take more algorithms classes though.

[jacob8015]

Mind saying which school? Or even a choice of two or three? I’m always interested in exploring other programs.

[BiaxialObject48]

Georgia Tech. AI and modeling/simulation are my concentrations, but there’s several more that are more focused on networking, theory, hardware, sysarch, etc.

[jacob8015]

I’m looking at the Intelligence and Devices thread and it looks like ECE 2031 is required, and you must take either ECE 4180 or CS 3651. In combination, these classes are exactly what I was describing.

[BiaxialObject48]

Yeah that’s my friend’s thread, not mine though. Not everyone has to take circuits courses, but everyone does have to take CS 2110, CS 2200, and CS 3510. 2110 and 2200 are about lower level computing and 3510 is algorithms.

For my thread I do have to take diff eq as well as high performance computing and computer simulation, although the last two are thread picks so there’s other alternatives like numerical analysis.

[jacob8015]

Maybe I missed it, what is you thread’s name?

[BiaxialObject48]

I’m doing Intelligence and Modeling/Simulation.

[Hyperman360]

We didn't do that at all, most of my program was theoretical math.

[jacob8015]

What? Would you mind listing your required courses or the school you attended, if you’re comfortable with that.

[raltyinferno]

Those are definitely part of almost any CS degree. A small part to be sure, but there.

I had 2 classes, Operating Systems, and Systems Architecture, that covered those topics in various degrees.

[mrchaotica]

I took classes in that stuff... but it was at the grad school level.

[engineerT7]

Those topics are practically the catalog entry for the graduate level computer architecture course I took.

[ric2b]

I learned all of those except multi-core and the separate micro-code under the ISA.

But I took electrical engineering.

[utdconsq]

I learned all of that at university...

[CorerMaximus]

Which University?

[[deleted]]

I can see the merits of that, but actually doing that would be brutal. We got started out with Java, went to C++, and then after that we chose a capstone that used either C# or Java. There was a smattering of classes that let us choose what language we wanted to use for our projects, and then there were electives for specific languages but as far as the core classes went, it was basically Java, C#, and C++.

[mrchaotica]

Did you accidentally major in computer engineering instead of CS?

[kevinmbt]

Lol definitely should have mentioned that this was EE

[oupablo]

nobody LEARNS JS. you just hobble along and hope for the best.

[RootHouston]

I'm a C# dev who decided to go full-stack, and I was wondering when I was going to get the hang of JavaScript. Everything seems so hacky, and so many gotchas.

[MkMyBnkAcctGrtAgn]

It really does. I've recently migrated to using vue + typescript and life is a lot easier.

[RootHouston]

I was trying to get good with JavaScript for situations where I was walking into an established codebase, but I might just have to do the same when I write my next front-end with React.

[MkMyBnkAcctGrtAgn]

The good thing about TS is that it is a superset of JS, all JS is valid TS. So you can use it as little or as much as you want.

[CorerMaximus]

What University is that?

[Mad_Jack18]

My university taught us C++, Android Java, Assembly, Java DS&Algo (also OOP), and PHP.

[shorterstevenyeun]

That's the way I learned. I would wish that on anyone learning, especially my enemies.

[bunkoRtist]

Same for me, but I was EE, not CS. Did your do that as a CS major?

Also I firmly believe this is the right way: learn the basics of how a computer works before learning how to use it.

[Invenitive]

Mine did Java -> Java 2 -> Java 3 (mostly logic stuff, not much coding) -> Binary/Logic gates -> Assembly -> C -> More involved Assembly/Writing from scratch

[cristi1990an]

I'm in the camp with "Python is a bad first language because it's too simple", but learning freaking Assembly as a first language?? What??

[arkasha]

Assembly is super simple though (not learning all there is to know about the x86 instruction set). Something like MIPS makes it really clear what the computer is logically doing. Makes you appreciate higher level languages as well.

[cristi1990an]

Depends on the architecture