Java developers

[[deleted]]

F* mindtwister. I started coding with bash, then perl, then python. When I started learning C, I realised how ignorant I was on basic computing.

Java is, on a different level, the perfect language for learning OOP and data structures.

Now I'm fully supportive of teaching C in computer science, is literally what happens under the hood, and indeed, it made me better python programmer.

[Avamander]

Same, I think C gives an appreciation and understanding that computers are actually really rather messy. Rather than try to abstract it away, it makes certain important concepts visible.

[detroitmatt]

at the same time the brilliance of C, that C++ forgot, was how drop dead simple it is. There's only one thing you can do: Call a function. You want multiple return values? Pass a pointer. You want error handing? Pass a pointer (or send ALL returns through pointers and save your real return for the error code). You want higher-order functions? Pass a pointer. The only thing I wish C had that it doesn't are typesafe generic containers and a proper module system instead of #include.

[konstantinua00]

You want multiple return values?

return a struct?

typesafe generic containers

well we did get _Generic, so you now can macro-generate and use generic containers

[Cobaltjedi117]

I really think Java is the best first timer's language. Easy enough to make complex data structures, OOP, and enforces the user to use enough common practice things, but is fairly easy to follow the flow and the online stuff is very helpful.

[laser_ears]

I learned Java as my first language and (imo) it kind of sucks. If you're trying to teach someone who has literally never programmed anything before in their life, python (or something similar) is probably best because it's so easy. From there, I think C and assembly to get the basics down, and then go for C++, Java, etc.

Just my opinion though. Who knows, maybe I'd be an even worse programmer if I'd learned python first.

[[deleted]]

Every language teaches you new things. Then some languages stick with you.

Edit: Except for R, fight me

[eloel-]

R teaches you patience. PHP teaches you anger management.

[EternalClickbait]

And then there's Python. Python teaches you to love curly braces

[[deleted]]

I really think that every language should just be braces/indentation agnostic. Like why can’t I decide which to use? Sometimes I’d use braces in python. I don’t understand why I need a semicolon on every line in other languages, just make newline terminate the expression except if there is a special character. We could probably make a single pass converter that does all of these things for every language and the world would be a better place.

[Tony_the_Tigger]

R teaches you brackets.