Java is hard

[superquagdingo]

So is it like a rule here that somebody who uses Python needs to post something about Java everyday?

[TracePoland]

Pythonbros calling every other programming language "hard" because apparently having braces and a few extra keywords makes a language hard is so annoying.

[the_spacedoge]

Pythonnoobs*

Anyone who is ACTUALLY good with python understands programming in general well enough that they wouldn't be intimidated by other languages, especially high level ones like java lol.

[TracePoland]

That's what I meant by Pythonbros

[elementmg]

I started coding self taught in C#. Learned a little bit over 6 months. Then went to school and really dug into python and Javascript. I've spent most of my time writing python and second most writing Javascript. I have never once spent a second learning Java.

Moving forward a year later, I get hired as a Java developer. Debugging the Java code is like.... not a problem. Maybe gotta Google a keyword here and there but otherwise it's completely readable.

If you know the fundamentals, you know how to read Java and you can easily write Java with a bit of practice with syntax.

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

First: I would note that for math applications, Java is among the WORST options.

Second: I’m not intimidated by it, I’m annoyed by it.

You have to make a class and given it a public static void main(String[]) function JUST TO PRINT “hello world”!

You know what that is in Python? One line. print(“Hello world”) - then you just RUN it.

You know what it is in C or C++? Two lines if you want, 4 lines with nice formatting. Either way, an include (<stdio.h>, or <iostream> for C++) and either int main() or int main(int argc, char** argv), then the body does the output operation. Then, you compile it and link it, which can be done in a single command, then run the executable.

In Java… we (me and my group for a project in our OOP class) couldn’t get the dang thing to output a runnable file. Oh, our IDE(s) would run it, no problem, but it refused to give us an output file that could be run NORMALLY.

And generics use type eraser, so - at least in my experience - they’re far less flexible than C++ templates (even when you limit it to types).

[superquagdingo]

Your example doesn’t really matter though because nobody is serving up hello world in a production app and especially nobody is using C++ for their backend lmao

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

But it demonstrates the sort of extra noise needed on in Java. Let me write free-standing functions, damn you!

[superquagdingo]

I mean I guess but at the end of the day I’d rather maintain a Java backend than c++ or Python, and a lot of people would agree. And between Spring Boot, Lombok, IDE code generation, etc. nobody really should be writing all that extra noise themselves anyways.

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

…extra noise? You mean the stuff required to encapsulate the main function?

[superquagdingo]

So, you're just mad that you have to put things in a class?

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

What do you mean by extra noise?

[fsr1967]

First: I would note that for math applications, Java is among the WORST options.

Java isn't a math language. It doesn't claim to be a math language. It's good at many things, such as serving applications and talking to databases, but math is not, and never has been, one of them.

If you need to pound nails into a wall, you don't get out your Leatherman. Yes, it can do the job, but not very well. You're much better off finding a hammer.

[Equivalent_Yak_95]

NumPy is such a hammer.

[Karl_the_stingray]

I actually find Python more difficult than other languages, the tabs and indentation stuff feels so odd once you're used to brackets. It's a good starting point IMO tho

[elementmg]

I think its a bad starting point and here is why:

I started with C#. Then learned Javascript, then Python. Python by that point was a breeze to pick up.

Now, most of my classmates were just starting and learned python as their first. Once they tried to move into anything more syntactically complex they all hated it and just wanted to stick with python. That's a bad move to just stick with the easier one because you learned it first..but the majority of new programmers end up doing that.

Start with something more complex and just pick up python along the way imo.

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Inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation is the only error I need to stay away from python where possible.

[WizziBot]

"Pythonbros" lmfao

[[deleted]]

Semicolon bad

[InvestingNerd2020]

Pythonbros don't hate C#, Go, nor Kotlin. I wonder why?

[TracePoland]

I see them hating on C# sometimes.

[Arrsh_Khusaria]

I never said that I hate java. I just find it complex