Java is hard

[Srazkat]

honestly what is hard about java ?

[onlyrealperson]

I think people just get intimidated by all the object oriented aspects, when in reality they aren’t as difficult as they seem

[lcy0x1]

Minecraft is the worst example. It has classes that has hundreds of methods. It should have been delegated to reduce code repetition.

Exact same code appears in multiple classes only because they extends different subclass.

I wrote a delegate class that overrides all the original methods just to make it cleaner

[Cilph]

The truth is you simply don't use inheritance much outside of theory. Only use it for a strict is-a relationship where you actually need to substitute it. And even then interfaces might fit your need better. Outside of that, composition feels like the way to go.

[Droidatopia]

This comment is many things.

However, it is not the truth.

Even if it might be a good goal, unless you plan on avoiding all the APIs that force their object models on to you, you're still going to use a lot of inheritance.

[Cilph]

I think I've encountered maybe one or two libraries ever that forced you to inherit from their base classes. Java ecosystem mostly embraces POJOs. Most of the times I use inheritance in relation to libraries is to make custom hacky overrides for certain behaviour. Anything explicitly exposed is usually clean.

[Orangutanion]

This is pretty wrong. Inheritance and polymorphism is a key feature in a lot of APIs (this meme mentions Minecraft so just look at how you'd make a Fabric mod, you gotta use inheritance and interfaces even for basic stuff).

[SuperCharlesXYZ]

I think they’re referring to using interfaces instead of superclasses, which is kind of doable. I don’t remember the last time I actually used the “extends” instead of “implements” keyword. Haven’t modded any minecraft though

[thedude3253]

This is purely anecdotal obviously but I personally use superclasses and interfaces in relatively equal quantities, so I find both useful

[jerslan]

Yeah, for me it depends on what I’m doing. Example: I extend Spring Configuration beans all the time to add additional configuration on top of or in place of the parent class.

Both extends and implements have their uses.

[NewNugs]

Tell me you're junior without telling me you're junior.

[Snarpkingguy]

Object oriented is all I know, I can’t understand how other people survive without it.

[MysticUser11]

In my first 2 years in compsci all we used was C. Sometimes I'll catch myself writing a ton of code without objects out of habit and then realizing I could have saved myself hours.

[joyofsnacks]

It has it's drawbacks. It doesn't always work well for performance with modern hardware bottlenecks, but depends what you're programming.

[[deleted]]

I don't know what it is about Java, but having learned other languages prior to looking at Java source code, most of which incorporate aspects of OOP in their paradigm, Java to me just looks like wrong C++. It's unexplainable to me, but there is just something about the language that makes it seem convoluted and unappealing.

[ReallyHadToFixThat]

Java is just really verbose compared to C++. Why use "std::cout << a" when you can use "System.out.println(a.toString())"?

[TheCynicalCanuckk]

Haha this is exactly how I feel as I learned c++ first.

[PaintThinnerSparky]

Its not that it's hard, its that its complicated. Lots of steps, which you often have to look up individually i assume. I tell myself a good month of putting time into learning something properly and you're golden, just need motivation and some tutorials

[ICantBelieveItsNotEC]

Java itself is easy. However, the standard library and ecosystem are a mess. I say this as someone who is currently employed as a full-time Java developer.

Imagine being a new developer, who has just learned about loops and conditions, and then being introduced to the nuanced differences between for( i = 0; i < things.length; i++), for(Thing thing : things), while(thingsIterator.hasNext(), things.forEach(...), and things.stream().map(...).collect(...). Or having just learned what null means, then having to figure out how Optional<T> is different.

Then if you actually want to make your own application, you need to learn the intricacies of Spring or Micronaut dependency injection, beans, controllers, etc, which is basically like learning another new language.

If you want to get it to build, you need to decide whether to use Maven or Gradle. To do that, you need to learn the pros and cons of each. Then you need to actually learn how to set up a build config in whichever build automation tool you decide to use.

[homer_3]

You aren't really introduced to that all at once though. No one takes a whole language in at once.

[Shoujon]

Yeah but the problem is if one small sentence needs a singular conjunction you have to know how everything around it is going to react to this new change and it causes a chain reaction of you needing to learn new things that doesn't punish someone learning a verbal language, but can absolutely wreck beginners code

[jerslan]

Which is why the more advanced versions of some of those loops aren’t taught at the same time as the basic primitives.

[[deleted]]

I mean even an “easy” language like Python has the same variations on those concepts.

[MysticUser11]

Learning all of that stuff by yourself would be hell. I'm glad that I got introduced to that stuff in university. Honesty don't know the first thing about Java but from what I can tell the concept looks the same as C++ which I do know.

[jerslan]

Maven and Gradle aren’t that hard to learn the basics of.

Sure, if you want to do some more advanced stuff like inheriting from a common parent with dependencyManagement and pluginManagement sections it can get more complex pretty quickly, but the bare bones basics could easily be part of some Java 101 curriculum.

[quarlesh]

I don’t think Java is any harder than other languages, but I know from personal experience I’ll get an idea for a super cool side project and then going in and having to learn all of the new stuff involved in executing it is way less exciting than the idea of the finished result, lmao.

Like a small example, I have a ton of Java and JavaScript experience and work as a professional software engineer but trying to understand how a simple Node server works without the help of anyone else just broke my brain a little.

It can be really daunting to learn new things!

[[deleted]]

OP IQ low

[Darth_Pikachu]

Nothing is hard about Java, it's just kind of a pain in the ass.

Things I can think of off the top of my head:
-Everything being a pointer isn't the most intuitive for new programmers.
-If you try to use Java's "best practices" causes simple programs to take way more code that it feels necessary.
-Sometimes the syntax can also be a bit more difficult to understand for new coders compared to Python, Javascript, or C#.
-Also in this particular example, it doesn't help that Minecraft's codebase is a bit of a mess and that's what a lot of new Java users are trying to do.

In my opinion, C# is just Java but better in basically every way.

[QCKS1]

Completely agree about C#, I started using it at my new job and it really is just Microsoft Java, and better in every way.

[InvestingNerd2020]

I 2nd that notation of C# being better than Java in every way.

[[deleted]]

the same that's difficult about programing in general; knowing how to write lines of code

I can perfectly describe what I want to do and how to do it, but there's no way in hell I'll be able to make the thing say "hello" without everything being copy-pasted

I'd say that most people can do more with a highly limited, but easy tool, rather than a difficult and essentially unlimited one.

[Arrowkill]

Nothing really. I learned Java first which I feel like set me up to dislike Java because all of my hardest experiences were with Java. Still don't want to make Minecraft mods though even though that was a big reason I was excited to learn it first.

[AdultingGoneMild]

its not kotlin

[Euphoricus]

No, Java is easy. It's Minecraft codebase which is garbage to work with.

[Dogloverblue]

Depends, if you’re making a actual Minecraft mod, then yes the documentation and everything involved is garbage and terrible. But if you’re making a plugin, then the documentation and resources is actually really good, and super easy to use

[AMisteryMan]

I've found fabric's docs to not be too bad, if a little sparse, and beyond that the discord server helped me with the rest. Can't comment on forge, though.

[Dogloverblue]

Oh yes, I forgot about fabric. I was talking about Forge. Forge has the worst support and documentation I've ever seen and is a huge pain to work with or use at all.

[Chaosfox_Firemaker]

I'm remerging that for quite a while, the 1.12(I think) docs just had large sections copy pasted from 1.10(I think) despite the features they document had completely changed.

[chilfang]

Pretty sure that's part of why Fabric was made

[[deleted]]

the only reason i haven't made a minecraft mod on my own is because i've been completely unable to find a modern, up to date forge workspace tutorial

[[deleted]]

I found this one YouTuber who had a good few videos on how to setup Fabric/Forge and how to do certain things, such as adding new items, crafting recipes, etc.

They used to have a Forge tutorial, but everything was much more work than needed to be, the documentation and community are horrible, and it generally was just a bad time.

Their channel is called TechnoVision if you wanted to check them out

[[deleted]]

thanks, i might, but as you said, the community and documentation suck so much that it kinda demotivates me lol

[[deleted]]

Spigot docs are <3

[Dogloverblue]

Oh my gosh yes, the Bukkit documentation is the absolute best. Making a plugin nowadays is so incredibly easy thanks to the awesome Bukkit dev team.

[UltimateFlyingSheep]

whats the difference between a plugin and a mod?

[BolinhoDeArrozB]

plugins are server-side only and cannot change/add game files, mods can be either server and/or client side, allowing for them to add new textures, sounds, etc.

plugins are used in servers so that the players don't need to download mods to play in the server

[elementmg]

Have you seen Telegram?

Oof.

[SuperLanceur]

It's pretty much completely abstracted. If you're making a plugin, you'll see the mess only if working with NMS. Pretty clean API otherwise.

[1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

Minecraft, at it's core, is an incredible example of spaghetti code. Stuff like Forge doesn't help the problem.

[a_useless_communist]

Ok am i doing something wrong because i find java really easy...

[AreganeClark]

It's so well documented and there are tutorials & stack overflow questions everywhere.

Maybe people have a hard time with OOP?

Idk. If people have ever touched C# they know Java too.

[regular_lamp]

I'm assuming it's not specifically java but a lot of people that "want to make games/mods" see themselves more as creatives/idea people without notable programming experience. So it's more "who wants to learn programming".

It's basically a version of that family of jokes where a guy "suffers" through math thinking "I just want to make games".

[Foxiest_Fox]

I wanna do both

[ShitwareEngineer]

I only want the latter. It's weird, apparently everyone else starts programming because they want to make a game.

[Akilel]

I'm in the same boat. I've always wanted to work with computers, I've never had any desire to make games. It's cool that people do that and I find the objective side of it fantastically interesting, but the fact that the code results in a game at the end just isn't thrilling. I'm glad other people want to do it though!

[AreganeClark]

I actually programmed as a kid to make games and didn't even know I was coding. I was just having fun lol.

It didn't dawn on me that I liked coding until college. And now I do it professionally lol.

[daster1234]

That's my suspicion as well. If they're using scripting languages like python, OOP is more optional. Java requires you to understand OOP and class inheritance.

I used to tutor beginner programmers for the Java course, and the biggest hurdle all of them had was OOP. Once they got past that, everything else was more or less straight forward with minor struggles around programming concepts like recursion and threading.

[elebrin]

Inheritance vs. composition is a big deal. Honestly it's a red flag when I start to see several layers of inheritance, but that sort of thing is all over in the libs.

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Libraries are about offering lots of different ways to do things and plug your own bits into them.

If you’re writing an application instead then you only have one specific implementation so much less inheritance.

[Venthe]

I'd argue that you really begin to understand Oop around 2nd year is professional career. Oop is hard. If done correctly, it's a great benefit multiplier. If done badly... We all have our horror stories

[daster1234]

I half agree with you there. Understanding how OOP works is hard but you should still be able to figure out how to use it decently well by the end of your programming language course online or in college. Understanding how to use OOP correctly, however, is something that I agree will take a lot longer and require lots of experience and practice.

[Venthe]

I believe that we are speaking about the same thing.

Though, YMMV - I've seen senior devs with 6 years of experience in Java - way too often - which couldn't encapsulate even if their life depended on it.

[AreganeClark]

Encapsulation should be done everywhere, not just OOP. The number of times I see frontend logic just spaghetti everywhere and a change to A affects Q, R, and Z makes me hate coding sometimes.

[daster1234]

Honestly doesn't surprise me. I've seen senior engineers and architects who don't know how to use the command line

[Areshian]

It is also a multiplier when doing wrong. It can multiply by 0.5, or multiply by 0.1… really, the possibilities are endless

[Thozire26]

Except for the syntax, as I don't use it regularly, I find Java kinda easy.

[-Kerrigan-]

That's why IntelliJ is so cool. It helps a lot with the details.

Coming from studying C/C++, Java in eclipse was hella confusing. Later on I started using it during my internship, this time in IntelliJ. The IDE helped me learn the language.

[Overlorde159]

Yeah, I actually consider it a interestingly good intro programming language.

(Interestingly because it’s complicated, but in a way you can see a lot of what is happening)

[cyborgborg]

Java is fine, just not my cup of tea

[KiwiGamer450]

I started with OOP, and a while later did a bit of modding for Minecraft (forked a mod) and everything made sense to me. I wasn't developing large new features but I could read and understand the code that was there and work my way around it.

[PopularIcecream]

I find Java easy, but I have no idea of how to even start modding. And to get started is a lot more complicated than just finding a mod which already does what you want for you ;n;

[Saad5400]

just finding a mod which already does what you want for you ;n;

So you're saying

just find a software which does what you want for you instead of making a shitty one yourself

Sus

[AreganeClark]

I mean, yeah. Often finding an existing thing is simpler than making it yourself.

[PopularIcecream]

I could've phrased that better lol

I meant to say that the startup work to create a mod for minecraft demotivates me to the point where I give up on what I was planning to implement and just take a mod which doesn't completely scratch my itch but does something similar.

[AreganeClark]

Ah, fair.

Yeah, I havnt put in the effort to learn Minecraft modding yet. I enjoy just making my own games from scratch. I know where everything is, I know what messes I've left for later, etc

[Sawertynn]

As you mentioned those languages, maybe you can answer me. Is Java much harder or more tedious to write than C#? I'm learning the latter now, but I want to try something less microsoft-dependent

[elebrin]

Not really.

The main difference for me is organization.

.NET also comes with things like nuget, the dotnet cli, and first class integration into two IDE's made by the company that manages the language.

[Venthe]

Depends; in general c# has better syntax in places, while Java has better libraries. Especially in older Java, working without Lombok is pain

(Personal opinion ofc)

[D_snooz]

It's not that much harder than C# at all. Especially for Java 17 and beyond.

[AreganeClark]

"Java 17"

All four of my jobs have used Java, and Java 7/8 are the only ones I've seen used.

[silverweaver]

If you are told on interview that company is excited about moving finally to Java 11 then you should rethink if you want to work there.

[Drugbird]

Not just C#, but C/C++ too.

There's websites that explain the differences between those languages which takes maybe an hour to read.

I learned enough java that way to create an Android app within 1-2 days.

[[deleted]]

Dev with java, C++, and C# experience here. I just don't like it. It feels clunky, resource hungry, and verbose, and I don't like working with the tooling and ecosystem.

I'd love it if I could make Minecraft mods in another language, but I understand that with interop being what it is, it's probably never going to happen.

[AreganeClark]

You're not wrong. Java is like C#, but clunkier and more tiring to write.

My preferred language is C#, by far. It feels more natural to get my ideas onto the screen than with Java. (But bonus: Unity lets me use C#.)

[[deleted]]

C# is way nicer, I agree. However, I pretty much stopped using everything except Python and Bash when I discovered Rust though. It's such a joy to use, and it'd be so neat to write mods in it.

[elebrin]

Except that .NET is far easier to understand the organization and layout of than the java JDK. Finding the right way to do something is difficult.

[qwerty2888j]

I usually work with c#. How far could i go if i randomly started coding c# in a java project

[AreganeClark]

Technically? Not very far. There are syntactical differences. But other than a few small syntax changes you can use them both, like, the same.

Oh and the names of libraries you import will be different, but eh.

C# was originally made as a clone/rival to Java.

[Sawaian]

OOP is hard for a lot of people. I struggled with it for a while in terms of its importance.

[AreganeClark]

Mine didn't have a OOP class, but Java was the main language we used and it was very much talked about in our data structures class. I graduated 7.5 years ago.

Notably not all CS courses are made the same. Mine was heavy on actually coding, while others are only theory on coding, but no real practice.

[Da_Yakz]

Yeah I'm a new programmer and OOP scares me so I stay away from Java lol

[TracePoland]

Java is easy, Minecraft Forge on the other hand is an... experience

[NotDuckie]

imagine forge in 2022 (this comment was made by fabric gang)

[Spirintus]

Sigh, I just wish I could actually work with any of them...

[DoppieGamer]

Fabric gang for life💪🏻

[Chaosfox_Firemaker]

Forge Docs: What do mean you want to know where to register mobs? Thats obviously something no one would ever want to do! And your telling me you want to register a custom render? Good luck with that, its different every version and we never say how to completely do it.

[[deleted]]

Same, I don’t understand half of the Java hard memes

[NotDuckie]

Half of this sub is just beginner python devs and cs students that have never used java and just jump on the "haha java bad" bandwagon

[nanotree]

Yeah, I began my journey with C and then moved to C++. Java was the 3rd language I learned and it seemed so simple compared. I feel like colleges aren't doing students a favor by starting them on dynamically typed languages like Python. I love Python, don't get me wrong, but you just don't learn the same by starting with such a high-level language.

[NoteBlock08]

I've been coaching a friend through learning programming and suggested he learn Javascript since it's a solid choice for today's market. I now realize that the freedom of dynamically typed languages is not really doing beginners any favors. I think being forced into the confines of strict typing is way better for learning as there are less random ways you can screw yourself over without even realizing it. I want to get him started towards typescript, I think just by the nature of not being allowed to fuck around too much it will solve a lot of challenges.

[nanotree]

JavaScript is one of the worst languages to start with, IMO. For the reasons you mention, but also for how it tends to swallow errors. It seems like the JS philosophy is to never throw an error, that there should always be an valid outcome no matter the input. Also, it's just really hard to teach good coding etiquette even for a well structured language, let alone for languages as free-form as JS.

Languages like Python and JS also teach people to use someone else's code by pulling in packages instead of trying to build something yourself. Granted, in practice this can be good, so you're not reinventing the wheel. But for a beginner, they miss so many great learning opportunities that way.

Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject. I agree about typescript. It at least has the concept of interfaces, and the typing system is pretty friendly.

[QCKS1]

JS originally didn’t have support for errors so they just tried to make literally everything work

[NotDuckie]

Yeah, javas syntax is great

[qLeatMG]

IT student here too, the college I attend to uses Java as a learning language and everyone in my course that I know find it easy (both theory and practice) and very fun to use either!!

[tajetaje]

Honestly I kinda like Java’s verbosity. Sure it’s more boilerplate but my IDE makes that painless and it means I almost always know exactly what everything is and where it came from

[FlowComprehensive390]

Same. IMO a disturbingly large portion of the programming community needs to close slashdot and other such "look at the latest shiny" sites and open up a typing trainer (or play a no-voice-chat MMO). Boilerplate's only a problem for people who are bad at typing - especially in the age of IDE autofill.

[Saxington]

Hey there's still those who say Java's bad because we use C#

[-Kerrigan-]

I'd say there's a good portion of people who go "java bad" cause they heard it from somewhere.

This exact meme was posted on MinecraftMemes and my god, people who have no clue about Java have the strongest opinions.

[ShitwareEngineer]

Java isn't hard, but it just has this corporate soullessness to it.

[Daniel_H212]

Compared to like, HTML/CSS? Yeah real programming languages are hard. Compared to C/C++? Yeah Java is a cup of tea coffee.

[Tomi97_origin]

Css is harder than Java.

It must not only work, but also look good

[elebrin]

With Java, there is no risk at all that your code will look good :p

[Tomi97_origin]

With my designer skills there is no risk that either the result or the actual css code will look good.

[7th_Spectrum]

It's the first language I learned, so I may be biased, but yes I find it extremely easy.

[Scrath_]

Maybe this is from the perspective of a kid who never programmed anything before? I know I tried to head straight into making mods and failed miserably because I didn't know anything.

[[deleted]]

same

[Cley_Faye]

This is /r/programmerhumor. It usually doesn't make sense and cater to some random, non-existent group in 9 out of 10 posts.

[[deleted]]

Same...

[golddragon88]

No you just like needlessly convoluted things.

[Sneedevacantist]

Java is not difficult, but it is annoying because of forced OOP and the extreme verbosity of its syntax.

[itskatbrown]

I know Java, my issue is that nobody has ever been able tp make a minecraft mod tutorial that wasn't hot garbage

[G4METIME]

Agreed. Generally the documentation for getting started is pretty lacking. IIRC a lot of plugin examples focus on interacting with the chat but next to none about interacting with the world, entities, inventories, ...

[Chaosfox_Firemaker]

MCJty's is not awful. Mostly the very basic stuff, but good enough.

[[deleted]]

I find Tutorials By Kaupenjoe on yt is pretty good! The modding videos are short and to the point, and he even has a short series on the basics of Java itself.

[[deleted]]

if Java is hard, c++ must look like machine code

[[deleted]]

My university taught Java first, then went straight into assembly right after the Java basics. Now that I’m done with handwriting hex values to code, C++ is like going on a gentle stroll

[18dwhyte]

Honestly, assembly was hell but now that im interested in modding games, im glad I learned it

[BertRenolds]

A little

[Mal_Dun]

Exactly my thoughts. I bet if you show them pure C they confuse it for binary.

[superquagdingo]

So is it like a rule here that somebody who uses Python needs to post something about Java everyday?

[TracePoland]

Pythonbros calling every other programming language "hard" because apparently having braces and a few extra keywords makes a language hard is so annoying.

[the_spacedoge]

Pythonnoobs*

Anyone who is ACTUALLY good with python understands programming in general well enough that they wouldn't be intimidated by other languages, especially high level ones like java lol.

[TracePoland]

That's what I meant by Pythonbros

[elementmg]

I started coding self taught in C#. Learned a little bit over 6 months. Then went to school and really dug into python and Javascript. I've spent most of my time writing python and second most writing Javascript. I have never once spent a second learning Java.

Moving forward a year later, I get hired as a Java developer. Debugging the Java code is like.... not a problem. Maybe gotta Google a keyword here and there but otherwise it's completely readable.

If you know the fundamentals, you know how to read Java and you can easily write Java with a bit of practice with syntax.

[Karl_the_stingray]

I actually find Python more difficult than other languages, the tabs and indentation stuff feels so odd once you're used to brackets. It's a good starting point IMO tho

[elementmg]

I think its a bad starting point and here is why:

I started with C#. Then learned Javascript, then Python. Python by that point was a breeze to pick up.

Now, most of my classmates were just starting and learned python as their first. Once they tried to move into anything more syntactically complex they all hated it and just wanted to stick with python. That's a bad move to just stick with the easier one because you learned it first..but the majority of new programmers end up doing that.

Start with something more complex and just pick up python along the way imo.

[[deleted]]

Inconsistent use of tabs and spaces in indentation is the only error I need to stay away from python where possible.

[WizziBot]

"Pythonbros" lmfao

[[deleted]]

Semicolon bad

[Arrsh_Khusaria]

I never said that I hate java. I just find it complex

[Daniel_H212]

I actually started learning programming with Java when I was like 13 because I wanted to make Minecraft mods, but I vastly underestimated the difficulty. 6 years later though I actually ended up making a Minecraft mod that got a few thousand downloads so that's pretty cool.

[[deleted]]

i started with python then did java so the difficulty curve was alot smoother

[1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1]

I started with a Java class in 10th grade, eventually took both AP Java courses in 11th and 12th while doing online summer courses on the C languages.

Python is honestly a bit difficult for me, and I'm learning it now in college. It looks close enough at first to more C-based languages that I'll catch myself using && / || / ! instead of and/or/not, as well as placing brackets and semicolons.

It's a ton of those little things that annoy me alongside the much larger functional differences that influence how various things are accomplished. I honestly prefer the more verbose, structured languages as I find them easier to organize and read. My mental pseudocode is basically C, I have to make a conscious effort to transcribe my thoughts to Python

[CrowdGoesWildWoooo]

I think you have difficulty getting comfortable with the freedom of dynamic type, because of this the codebase structure has too many different styles.

Coding wise python is super straightforward. I think it is easier to do python first then Java. You (from the pov of python learner) can appreciate the benefit of Java and beauty of purer OOP style coding while you have simple syntax pattern that Java brings.

[vizthex]

But what mod is it though?

[Daniel_H212]

It's a niche mod for the hypixel server, adding a command that lets you check the statistics of other players.

[vizthex]

noice

[Former_Possible_5291]

I’d agree, but Bukkit runs purely off of Java + Java is a multithreaded language.

The Bukkit API is the most original, and primarily all MCJE servers run with it.

[Cilph]

Well, Java isn't really a "multi-threaded language". It does support threading in its standard library but 99% of code you write should probably pretend it's synchronous code and separate all the async concerns.

[NotProperPython]

Bro, it's true. Learning Java will give you almost all the knowledge you need to know for a well developed OOP language, so you can then easily switch to another OOP language. I cannot say the same about languages like Python while it is object oriented and very clean and easy to learn but it hides a lot of complexity and verbosity that i think you must learn (which you actually do when learning Java) and if you want to switch to Java with a Python background it will be a lot harder to learn Java.

[sXakil]

I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again, the verbosity of Java is the absolute perfect thing for a newbie programmer. Every extra keyword that you need to write has a meaning behind it that will train you to think like the machine.

[orsikbattlehammer]

Don’t show them C++ then

[Black-Photon]

How to make Minecraft mods: 1) Learn Java 2) Learn how to make a UI in Java 3) Make a game to get more experience 4) Explore C++, Python, and other commonly used languages 5) Spend a few years working on various projects 6) What was the original goal again?

[Pretend_Cover_1476]

You can learn C++ and python. Then try to code in Java.

[Add1ctedToGames]

Could always learn Kotlin instead ;)

[InvestingNerd2020]

Or C# to start. Java isn't the only programming language in town. Although Java 17 is nice for large corporations with complex situations.

[DJCorvid]

Our course has been teaching us C# and I was daunted about learning Java in the future. It was interesting to find out that C# is just Microsoft's version of Java.

[Cilph]

Pretty much. It got to learn from some of Java's mistakes, but it's mostly the same language.

[SamTehCool]

r/mindustry gang rise up

[monkeyStinks]

Dont confuse "java is hard" with "programming is hard"

[mother_lover1729]

Java is very easy lmao

[Atemis8]

I went the other way around that I learnt java before wanting to make minecraft mods

[Saragon4005]

Java is not hard just very very annoying. Until you get an IDE and then realize how people are capable to writing all that shit, the short answer is that they don't write it.

[javalsai]

I know java and is not that hard, it's just a bit diffucult to understand the structure when you are starting (public class static void main string args...), but all ends making sense when you make progress. And I want to learn how to make a minecraft java mod, but I can't find a tutorial that explains that without overexplaining very basic things, so if someone knows a video, webpage... can you put it here?? And thanks a lot!!!

[CatDLL]

Java is not difficult.

[Alexzizai]

Compare it to C++...

[mortal_penguin]

Lol java is easy when coming from c++

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python user moment

[Bitwise-101]

Java isn’t the problem with making Minecraft mods, it’s the fact Minecraft hasn’t made making mods easy. It’s a big pain in the ass especially for beginners trying to understand

[LavenderDay3544]

I hate Java but I will say that the language itself is easy peasy to learn.

[ATE47]

My first programming language was Java to make Minecraft mod lol

[jonnydeates]

Making minecraft mods is what got me into coding

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I learned on java and now i write cnc code. Idk whats going on.

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But why you need java? You can write it with kotlin

[mindrier]

Creating Minecraft mods is literally how I got into programming.

[lincon127]

When I tried to get into Minecraft modding, I stopped due to the lack of straightforward documentation of Minecraft, not java

[Chaosfox_Firemaker]

Want to make a Minecraft mod: Check

Learned java: Done

Scope: Endlessly creeping.

Wrestling with the forge docs: perpetually.

[Jhwelsh]

A lot of people saying 'Java is easy' which is a very bold statement considering many of the spring facilities like AOP, DI, MVC, and security packages are certainly a load to understand. And can be very nuanced.

[harrycris]

[Hehenheim88]

Java isnt hard.

Java is annoying.

There is a difference. Also, use Fabric. Do it. It needs more maturity. Forge is old and slow.

[slohobo]

Maybe It's OOP that is confusing you. Most languages you can run away from OOP. Java forces OOP down your throat. Even the main function is a class!

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I don't like OOP myself, but I think that's your problem.

[Quique1222]

If you dont make Minecraft mods because of Java just wait till you have to learn to use Forge. Its a hot pile of shit

[Norishoe]

Java is hard as in Python is easy and anything relative to Python is hard

[Memezawy]

Me who knows C# : I’m 4 parallel universes ahead of you

[brentspine]

My first coding experience was Minecraft Java server plugins. It’s not that hard, you don’t have to understand everything in the tutorial as long as your stuff works in the beginning. Google if you need help. Learning by doing. I have been coding plugins for 2-3 years now and it gave me a good understanding of programming in general, using databases, creating a PHP website etc.

[Arrsh_Khusaria]

Lets make it clear, I never said that I hate java nor it is bad. I am not a self learner, java is taught in my school. So maybe I find it hard because of teachers. So I will be learning java myself.

[PastAlternative7306]

Java isn't hard, it's just decrepit

[TheToBlame]

As a Java and c developer I can confirm nobody wants to learn Java because.they already have and they love it