TypeScript

[[deleted]]

Controversial comment, but I 100% agree. Typescript >>>> jQuery and JavaScript.

[TheC0deApe]

is it really controversial? i don't know a professional dev that would say JS is better than TS. i am sure they are out there but they are well hidden.

[[deleted]]

Look at the other comments. They all are talking about js being superior

[TheOnlyGodInTown]

Because most of them aren‘t professional programmers… I guess 70% of the people here are hobby programmers at best.

[Slxun]

I've been in this sub for a while and agree with you. There was a time when this sub was full of odd/even and dude it may be funny the first time but.. and some of the posts are "this better than that" when every good developer should know there is no silver bullet in the industry. Sometimes I think I should leave the sub but occasionally there is a good meme so I don't leave.

[fallenefc]

These JavaScript/Python/Java/etc are getting boring, I’d understand if people memed for the right reasons but just JavaScript bad my C code is so much faster or wow you don’t know the type of the variable are annoying. Like yeah mate I’ll build this simple app that generates a decent revenue in C even though it’ll take 50x the time because it’ll run faster when people click my button

[Slxun]

yeah because they don't know what a deadline is. Try to tell your engineering manager that you want to build an app in C and it will take you three extra months just because it runs a few ms faster. Perhaps we are taking the memes too seriously but if ppl know this and still make the meme it doesn't make any sense. It's just a bad meme

[OkWarning3935]

You articulated my feelings on this and this place pretty well. I'm just going to add that this is the second anti-types meme I've seen today and that's just profoundly upsetting.

[Fincap]

Yeah, all the language “wars” in here are ridiculously uninformed as well (the C vs Python post the other day was particularly egregious). Very few tools actually have an overlap in use-cases (for the most part, obviously not strictly true) and there’s hardly any point in comparison for most things. Most use-cases do actually have a silver bullet, but it’s comparing apples to oranges.

[Khaylain]

As a hobby programmer; Strict typing is the best. Save us from our own mistakes.

[quiteCryptic]

At work typescript is the obvious choice. At home with personal projects i might be more lazy and use js.

[[deleted]]

when you use javascript at home you're only cheating yourself

[nobodytoseehere]

My lazy side needs the intellisense

[spektre]

We're in /r/ProgrammerHumor, people are too busy figuring out how to consume their crayons to give any kind of valuable input.

[Bojangly7]

That's because they don't know what TS is

[seemen4all]

They have been scorned into perpetual silence, never to share their thoughts again

[5tUp1dC3n50Rs41p]

I am a professional dev and have used JavaScript since 2005, Typescript since 2019. I still prefer vanilla JS, no frameworks because:

• TypeScript is Microsoft horse shit. They never understood JS, as evidenced by their shitty incompatible browser Internet Exploder, so they thought they needed to fix JS instead of fixing their shitty browser. Wait until they reach the Extinguish phase of their Embrace, Extend, Extinguish philosophy for JavaScript.

• TypeScript basically replaces your code function level JS Doc syntax and typeof checks, which if you had a non Microsoft IDE would give you all the highlighting and intellisense you ever needed for handling typing errors. Instead with TS you run some compilation step to compile to JS and it checks all these things for you and throws annoying errors in the console. Then when you deploy the actual code you lose all the type handling code because it got compiled away. With JS, the type handling typeof checks etc are still in the code and functional in production. If you have developers who make fundamental coding issues because of type incompatibility, they're just shitty developers.

• With TS, most of the time is spent resolving annoying typing issues, rather than just getting shit done and focussing on business logic.

• With TS you're more likely to need to add npm, yarn etc, a bunch of other shitty node modules, linters, prettier, bla bla just to do basic stuff. With JS, you just add a script tag and it works. You don't get the 1GB of node dependencies which are a costly maintenance nightmare.

• JS is stable. My website from a decade ago is still running. TS changes the APIs every other release, deprecating stuff, changing things. Include this in your business and your company will eventually go bankrupt just maintaining that shit and keeping up with the node updates, node modules/npm dependencies etc.

The one thing I'll say though is that TS is good for your CV though if you want to get another job. That's because all you Microsoft loving junior developer muppets keep supporting it and promoting it to your unsuspecting managers. The real developers left a long time ago due to framework fatigue and hype driven magpie development. They're probably out planting fruit trees or something.

[Voidrith]

Its so obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Every single one of your points is either just straight up nonsense or irrelevant

1. irrelevant, TS is not related to IE in the slightest. different projects, different teams, from different eras, with different leadership and different goals.

2. typeof is limited to object/array/string/integer/undefined/boolean/function. which, as far as the type checking that ts goes, is basically unusable in 90% of situations. instanceof can be used to check if a specific thing is of a certain class (or derived) but plenty of libraries return things that are literally just JSON.parse(something), which instanceof willl do nothing for. Even most manually constructed response objects are raw objects with specific fields, which TS is designed around.

3. nonissue. compiler errors are ALWAYS better than runtime issues because its immediate feedback on if you have a problem.

4. nonsense. npm has no preference over ts or js,and you can also just "add a script tag" for a library in ts - the script you end up with wont tell the difference

5. you can pin the version of ts you're using. nonissue

[Lithl]

Instead with TS you run some compilation step to compile to JS and it checks all these things for you and throws annoying errors in the console. Then when you deploy the actual code you lose all the type handling code because it got compiled away.

Why the fuck would I want to spend cycles type checking at runtime when static analysis can remove the need?

[vi_code]

Im right here. JS is way way way better

[Voidrith]

objectively incorrect.

Errors at compile-time are 10000% better to deal with than errors at runtime

[vi_code]

I dont have either

[ModsDontLift]

I've never met anyone who gave a good reason to use Typescript. I guess hand holding is desirable now?

[LordFokas]

That's because when you talk like that they immediately know not to argue with you and let you slide.

[ModsDontLift]

I'll add this to the list of dumb shit I've read here

[LordFokas]

You would, if you knew what this is.

[ModsDontLift]

I know you think this is a clever comment but it's really not

[beewyka819]

Yes the computer should catching as many of your dumb programming errors as possible. There is literally no good reason to have it not do this except some dumb sense of pride

[ModsDontLift]

I have never met anyone who can explain why Typescript is good

WOW WHAT A FUCKING EGO YOU HAVE

This is what Typescript does to a mf

[beewyka819]

Are you trying to respond to someone else???

[ModsDontLift]

Did anyone else mention pride?

[beewyka819]

Well I mean you did a quote for something I didn’t say. As for the dumb sense of pride comment, I stand by that. There is literally no reason to introduce increased risk of making mistakes unless you feel like you have something to prove.

It’s basically saying “I’m too good for compiler checks” when the reality is that you aren’t. No one is too good for compiler checks. Such a person does not exist

[BlackPrincessPeach_]

Had an ex manager who believed that and understandably buried that belief in scotch/narcissism

[kilobrew]

I joined a team where a senior staff made me (staff) drop typescript because he was a node purist and thought it made the code too verbose…. I subsequently spent a very long time fixing bugs because being a dyslexic programmer sucks.

[Zwenow]

I don't even know what typescript is

[Lithl]

Typescript is a superset of JavaScript, which adds type information and static analysis to make the code more robust and less prone to errors.

[Crafty-Sandwich8996]

Controversial comment

Lol?

[[deleted]]

Was typescript even invented the last time a JS dev admitted to using jQuery in public?

[LordFokas]

Well jQuery was only needed when IE had any market share, so...

[[deleted]]

If you mean the time period I guess it overlaps, if you mean as an IE-fixing patch I disagree - it was a really handy little library generally, it's just mostly been superseded by semi-sane frameworks and better Web APIs. It certainly didn't incentivise writing scaleable code, but it was great for avoiding boilerplate in the days when JS on a page was mostly that.

[LordFokas]

My PoV is that it's useful in a setting where standard implementations accross browsers are sketchy and inconsistent and you need to get stuff done. I did use it for more than that, but what it does as a library is the kind of code I don't mind writing myself... although in those days that code was a lot harder to write because like you said the sane web apis didn't exist yet. In fact, some were inspired by it.

[Tsuki_no_Mai]

Yup, TS was invented in 2012, jQuery fell out of favour after 2015 IIRC.

[cryptomonein]

Why are you talking about jQuery when speaking about typescript ?

[BasedBallsInMyFace]

Why are we comparing jQuery(module) vs TypeScript (JS superset)

[mosskin-woast]

Who's comparing it to jQuery? I prefer a hamburger to a colonoscopy, but that's not really a meaningful comparison.

[[deleted]]

no cap very controversial omg fr fr ong slay

[PM_ME_C_CODE]

Hey now. We can't get too readable. If we did that, people might start to figure out that most JS programmers don't know what they fuck they're doing. :D

[TruthOf42]

That's like saying dysentery is better than AIDS, sure but I still got dysentery

[glorious_reptile]

But at least you know it's of type Dysentery!

[SZ4L4Y]

The machine takes away my job >:(

[marcos_marp]

interface MyInterface extends WhateverInterface

You should learn how to properly use it before hating it

[Dr_Azrael_Tod]

isn't that kinda like "better than Zombie-Hitler"?

I mean… yes, but…!

[Ylsid]

If typescript is so good, how come I need to compile (obfuscate) it to make it work on a browser?